2010 ALCS: Yankees @ Rangers

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Well I figure the Yanks would take this one. Game 6 I believe they'll shut it down.

[Emmz]

If there's one thing the Yankees know too well, is that it's never over. First game where it looks like the Yankees outplayed the Rangers so far. Rangers just need to close this one out so I don't start pulling my hair out.

[Spudboy]

If the Yankees beat Lee in Game 7 it will be the greatest comeback in MLB post season history

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

Were you in a coma in 2004?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

:lol::lol::lol:

 

Were you in a coma in 2004?

 

oh spud you make me laugh.

[Emmz]

:lol::lol::lol:

 

Were you in a coma in 2004?

 

Oh LMFAO I didn't even see that. Yeah, that's just huge homerism right there. This isn't even close to being as great as the 2004 ALCS, even if the Yanks won the next two games on walk-off homers.

[Divinity]

:lol::lol::lol:

 

Were you in a coma in 2004?

 

No, but beating Cliff Lee who is 7-0 with a 1.5 ERA in the post season; during Game 7 after coming back from 3-1 would be more impressive to me then the Sox winning 4 in a row in 2004. Look at the starting pitching match ups for those last 3 games.

 

Wakefield, Schilling and Lowe vs Loaiza, Lieber, and Brown. lol

 

Yankees didn't have a stopper in 04; the Rangers have the best stopper you can get in Lee.

 

If Pettitte wasn't on the Astros that year it could've very well turned out differently

[Emmz]

ROFL

[Cocos Disciples]

No, but beating Cliff Lee who is 7-0 with a 1.5 ERA in the post season; during Game 7 after coming back from 3-1 would be more impressive to me then the Sox winning 4 in a row in 2004. Look at the starting pitching match ups for those last 3 games.

 

Wakefield, Schilling and Lowe vs Loaiza, Lieber, and Brown. lol

 

So the comeback is worse because we were better? I don't really get your argument.

 

And Game 5 was Pedro v. Mussina, not Wakefield v. Loaiza.

[Emmz]

No, but beating Cliff Lee who is 7-0 with a 1.5 ERA in the post season; during Game 7 after coming back from 3-1 would be more impressive to me then the Sox winning 4 in a row in 2004. Look at the starting pitching match ups for those last 3 games.

 

Wakefield, Schilling and Lowe vs Loaiza, Lieber, and Brown. lol

 

Yankees didn't have a stopper in 04; the Rangers have the best stopper you can get in Lee.

 

You made a very wise edit. Not that it changes that the Yankees were favored, or that those guys stopped them from winning the first 3 games of that series.

[Cocos Disciples]

Also, a major flaw in your argument: none of what you are arguing as the best comeback ever has happened.

[Emmz]

Also, the 2004 Yanks were built on slugging, not on pitching. 2004 ALCS>>>>>>>2010 ALCS, it's not even close either.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

No, but beating Cliff Lee who is 7-0 with a 1.5 ERA in the post season; during Game 7 after coming back from 3-1 would be more impressive to me then the Sox winning 4 in a row in 2004. Look at the starting pitching match ups for those last 3 games.

 

Wakefield, Schilling and Lowe vs Loaiza, Lieber, and Brown. lol

 

Yankees didn't have a stopper in 04; the Rangers have the best stopper you can get in Lee.

 

If Pettitte wasn't on the Astros that year it could've very well turned out differently

 

LOL holy s*** I can namr plenty of better moments than this. For you to say it's better than 2004 ALCS is ABSURD! I unserstand Cliff Lee is undefeated but it doesn't make it an epic comeback. Just stop here because you're not going to win this debate. Even Jacko and Y228 disagree with you.

[Divinity]

So the comeback is worse because we were better? I don't really get your argument.

 

And Game 5 was Pedro v. Mussina, not Wakefield v. Loaiza.

 

Sorry you're right, I was looking at the WP/LP.

 

I'm not trying to take anything away from your '04 season. I just think its a taller order for the Yankees to come back from this then it was for the Sox to do back then. Not that it really matters, its highly unlikely to happen.

[yeszir]

Also' date=' a major flaw in your argument: none of what you are arguing as the best comeback ever [i']has happened.[/i]

 

The best postseason comeback in history was when I defeated the Milwaukee Whalers after being down 6 games to 0 in the 1938 ALDS.

[redsoxrules]

Sorry you're right, I was looking at the WP/LP.

 

I'm not trying to take anything away from your '04 season. I just think its a taller order for the Yankees to come back from this then it was for the Sox to do back then. Not that it really matters, its highly unlikely to happen.

 

typical Yankee fan , trying to dimish what the Red Sox did , that has ONLY happened ONCE in MLB history

 

anyway you slice it , 0-3 dosent compare to 1-3

[Emmz]

yeszir is Bugs Bunny.

[Emmz]

typical Yankee fan ' date=' trying to dimish what the Red Sox did , that has ONLY happened ONCE in MLB history[/quote']

 

Yeah, he wouldn't think it was a bigger comeback if the Yankees had done the reverse to the Red Sox. I think even most of/all of the other Yankee fans would disagree with that though, that's pushing it, even for Yankee fan standards.

[yeszir]

yeszir is Bugs Bunny.

 

what's up bbdoc

[yankees228]

Oh LMFAO I didn't even see that. Yeah' date=' that's just huge homerism right there. This isn't even close to being as great as the 2004 ALCS, even if the Yanks won the next two games on walk-off homers.[/quote']

 

Eh, if the Yankees managed to win the next two games on walk-off homers, I don't think anything could compete.

[yankees228]

You made a very wise edit. Not that it changes that the Yankees were favored' date=' or that those guys stopped them from winning the first 3 games of that series.[/quote']

 

I obviously agree with you guys, but I never thought the Yankees were the better team. They had comparable offenses, comparable bullpens, and the Red Sox had much better starting pitching.

[Emmz]

Eh' date=' if the Yankees managed to win the next two games on walk-off homers, I don't think anything could compete.[/quote']

 

Except coming back from a 0-3 series deficit, in dramatic fashion, and winning your first WS in over 80 years. It was icing on the cake. Nothing comes close to the 2004 ALCS, because it was against the team that was taunting them for those 80+ years. This wouldn't even scratch the surface of the 2004 ALCS.

[Divinity]

typical Yankee fan , trying to dimish what the Red Sox did , that has ONLY happened ONCE in MLB history

 

anyway you slice it , 0-3 dosent compare to 1-3

 

 

You're saying its harder to win 4 games in a row against mediocre pitchers

 

as opposed to winning 3 games in a row, with one game being against a guy who has been completely invincible?

 

I'd choose to have to win 6 games in a row against average pitchers, rather than 3 games against Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, and Tim Lincecum, can you see my point? lol

[Emmz]

I obviously agree with you guys' date=' but I never thought the Yankees were the better team. They had comparable offenses, comparable bullpens, and the Red Sox had much better starting pitching.[/quote']

 

Except that the Yankees won 101 games, and most people wouldn't have dared to pick against them. The Yankees were favorites going into the playoffs, but yeah, if you break it down, the Red Sox had better pitching, probably in a better situation to win in a series.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

You're saying its harder to win 4 games in a row against mediocre pitchers

 

as opposed to winning 3 games in a row, with one game being against a guy who has been completely invincible?

 

I'd choose to have to win 6 games in a row against average pitchers, rather than 3 games against Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, and Tim Lincecum, can you see my point? lol

 

I still don't see the point.

[Emmz]

You're saying its harder to win 4 games in a row against mediocre pitchers

 

as opposed to winning 3 games in a row, with one game being against a guy who has been completely invincible?

 

I'd choose to have to win 6 games in a row against average pitchers, rather than 3 games against Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, and Tim Lincecum, can you see my point? lol

 

You're letting your fandom get in the way. There's no value of your guys' coming back, two of those pitchers you'd have faced are complete garbage, and you guys were favored by a s*** ton. It's not even close.

[yankees228]

Except coming back from a 0-3 series deficit' date=' in dramatic fashion, and winning your first WS in over 80 years. It was icing on the cake. Nothing comes close to the 2004 ALCS, because it was against the team that was taunting them for those 80+ years. This wouldn't even scratch the surface of the 2004 ALCS.[/quote']

 

It was only a joke. It would be amazing if the Yankees won the next two games on walk-offs because they're on the road. I completely agree with you.

[Emmz]

It was only a joke. It would be amazing if the Yankees won the next two games on walk-offs because they're on the road. I completely agree with you.

 

Oh, okay. Hard to detect that sometimes.

[yankees228]

Except that the Yankees won 101 games' date=' and most people wouldn't have dared to pick against them. The Yankees were favorites going into the playoffs, but yeah, if you break it down, the Red Sox had better pitching, probably in a better situation to win in a series.[/quote']

 

That's because the masses are foolish, and their opinions aren't an adequate measure of who the better team was.

[The Village Idiot]

If memory serves, the combination of Mike Mussina and Jon Lieber practically shut out the Red Sox in Games 1 and 2 in 2004, beating both Schilling and Pedro. No easy task at all--give your Yankees some credit there.

 

In Game 3, Kevin Brown outlasted Bronson Arroyo in the 19-8 slugfest at Fenway, which I remember well since I was there. Game 4 was El Duque versus Derek Lowe, and although the Sox eventually pulled that one off, El Duque held the Sox scoreless through I think 6 of the 7 innings that he pitched. In Game 5, Mussina held the Sox scoreless for I think 6 of the 7 innings he pitched, but thanks to Pedro going deep in the game and the bullpen and Papi holding on, the Sox prevailed.

 

Game 6 was another pitching duel extraordinaire. Jon Lieber and the other Yankee pitchers held the Sox scoreless for literally 8 of 9 innings. The Sox scored all 4 runs in one inning of game 6 (thank you, Mark Bellhorn).

 

The only game of the 2004 ALCS that exposed a Yankees pitcher was Game 7 when Kevin Brown took the hill. And I remind you that the man who opposed him was Derek Lowe, who is not exactly Hall of Fame bound and who did not have a stellar season in 04, despite how much I love him (luvya, thank you forever, D-Lowe).

 

This illusion, this hallucination, this utter fiction that the Red Sox pitching staff was leagues ahead or above and beyond the Yankees is utterly preposterous. The Sox starting rotation of Schilling, Pedro, Arroyo, Wakefield and D-Lowe in that series was certainly a far better pitching staff than the Sox had in 03 and in prior years, but the strength of the Yankees over the Sox from the mid-90s to the early part of this century's decade was largely a credit to the relative strength of the Yanks pitching staff surpassing that of the Sox in this same time period. For years during that stretch, Pedro was better than any pitcher on either staff--that's essentially irrefutable. But one pitcher a pitching staff does not make.

 

For all of the above reasons, the Sox's comeback against their archrivals, with whom they were so closely matched in both offensive and in pitching talent, was the stuff of legend.

 

And if the Yanks come back against the Texas Rangers? There is absolutely NO comparison between that and what the Sox did against the Yankees in 2004.

 

Please, people, let's not rewrite history. The Sox comeback against the Yankees in 2004 was the greatest comeback in team sports ever.

 

Ever.

[Emmz]

On paper, the Red Sox had a better rotation. We had two legitimate aces in Pedro and Schilling, who both had better seasons than any 2004 Yankees pitchers. Although, I wouldn't say that we were leagues ahead, by any stretch.