The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[Spudboy]

With the Sox season now over, it's time to see what will happen in the off season.

[example1]

Edit your post Resident Old Fart! We shouldn't start the off-season thread without a verb.

 

I was going to start this exact thread last night.

 

I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen this offseason. I think they should think really hard about how they want to use the money that will be going to Papelbon. He's worth having on the team talent-wise, but they shouldn't pay him $11m for another 2010 like season. They could sign Rafael Soriano with that money and he could sign for longer than a year.

 

I also think this is the year to try for a big trade.

[Dojji]

I actually think that for the most part we don't need any radical changes. We need to bring back Beltre, but it would be premature to do a major overhaul at this point. Besides which, the talent pool is relatively feeble at this time and if we overhaul right now it's to go into rebuilding mode, which we don't have the prospects for.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I actually think that for the most part we don't need any radical changes. We need to bring back Beltre' date=' but it would be premature to do a major overhaul at this point. Besides which, the talent pool is relatively feeble at this time and if we overhaul right now it's to go into rebuilding mode, which we don't have the prospects for.[/quote']

 

I hope so.

[d-money]

Here in new york they are saying that Jose Reyes might be on the market.It might not even take alot to get him.My concern with this guy is injuries but imagine him at fenway as a leadoff hitter with Pedroia after him.

[Dipre]

I actually think that for the most part we don't need any radical changes. We need to bring back Beltre' date=' but it would be premature to do a major overhaul at this point. Besides which, the talent pool is relatively feeble at this time and if we overhaul right now it's to go into rebuilding mode, which we don't have the prospects for.[/quote']

 

Every time Doiji says that, i feel like dancing in the rain, playing with a puppy, eating ice cream, or chugging a bottle of Rolling Rock.

[yeszir]

This thread makes me sad

[BSN07]

We all know the off season can take numerous different routes. The ripple effect from even one move is often hard to predict. But here is what I think may happen, at least for now And this isn't everything, just some general thoughts.

 

 

I think everyone is expecting a trade for a big time hitter. Me included. But I'm not sure I see it. I don't think they are going to give up the necessary talent for one of the 3 1B that are mentioned around here constantly. Not when they will have a better then average chance to sign 1 of the 3 when they hit FA the next season.

I think they will go with a stop gap for the year and pursue those players next off season. And I can't say I blame them. I expect they will go after a Konerko(possibly Dunn if they can stomach his D at 1B for the year and move him to DH next) type and slide Youk over to 3B a year early. Yes I think Youk will be playing 3B next season. Unless there is a minimal market for Beltre(I don't see how it's possible), the Sox won't match the 4 and 5 year deals that are likely to get offered. I only see them going 3 years with a possible option year. And unless Beltre see's no interest or really loves Boston, he's not taking that.

 

Now for other trades. Papelbon and Dice-K are candidates. But they are going t have to get something in return. Even if that means picking up a % of the remaining contracts. Both should garner interest. But it's really too early to tell with them.

 

I also think JD Drew will get shopped. And if they can find a taker they could align themselves for the shocker of the off season. The signing of both Werth and Crawford! :thumbsup: Ok so I may be having a little fun on that one. That one I'll file next too my "Felix has ask to be traded" hopes

[Will617]

Get Werth (maybe), sign Beltre/Dunn or a stopgap, overhaul the bullpen. I think one of our outfielders have to go - maybe Drew or Cameron.

[jacksonianmarch]

Beltre isnt signing as a stopgap. He's getting a 4 yr deal

[Dipre]

Get Werth (maybe)' date='[b'] sign Beltre/Dunn or a stopgap[/b], overhaul the bullpen. I think one of our outfielders have to go - maybe Drew or Cameron.

 

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[ORS]

At the age of six, he performed an emergency appendectomy with a spork and a credit card, while explaining the procedure in perfect Flemish.

 

Apparently, this occurred on the day they taught conjunctions in elementary school.

[Meh]

MLBTR chat had a little thing about a Napoli for Ellsbury swamp, but Tim suggested only if the Angels missed out on Crawford. could slide him into 1B, move Youk to 3B then.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ah, missed that one. My bad

[Jasonbay44]

I really hope Sox go after Crawford

[jacksonianmarch]

Crawford isnt exactly what you need. The sox need power, they need a middle of the order bat. Crawford doesnt offer you a lot of power. He's a lefty, so entering Fenway would kill any power he has and he doesnt walk, something that Theo values significantly (and rightfully so). I honestly and truly think the Sox are going to be a front runner for Werth. But they are going to have to pay him very heftily. But his bat in Boston with his eye and his right handed power would be absolutely f***ing deadly. If he goes to Boston, he is easily a 35HR 120RBI guy who would probably reach base at a 40% clip. Youk-Papi-Werth would be deadly

[Jasonbay44]

Crawford isnt exactly what you need. The sox need power' date=' they need a middle of the order bat. Crawford doesnt offer you a lot of power. He's a lefty, so entering Fenway would kill any power he has and he doesnt walk, something that Theo values significantly (and rightfully so). I honestly and truly think the Sox are going to be a front runner for Werth. But they are going to have to pay him very heftily. But his bat in Boston with his eye and his right handed power would be absolutely f***ing deadly. If he goes to Boston, he is easily a 35HR 120RBI guy who would probably reach base at a 40% clip. Youk-Papi-Werth would be deadly[/quote']

 

I agree with everything you said, I'm just sort of on the "trade Ellsbury" bandwagon and would love to get Crawford to replace Ellsbury as he is a much better lead off option then someone like Scutaro in my opinion.

 

But yeah, I think Werth is a better fit for the Sox and is also more likely to sign with us then Crawford.

[jacksonianmarch]

Your gain from Ells to Crawford isnt as big as you think. The only change is in power, which Crawford maybe gives you another 5 homers in a sox uniform. And that gain would be paid for massively in contract. Dealing Ellsbury right now is a bad idea. You dont trade a stock when it bottoms out, and his value is at an all time low. I think the sox put Cameron on the bench/platoon with Drew and sign Werth. Then move Ells back to CF and you have an OF with average D who will produce significantly for you. A Werth-Ellsbury-Drew OF might be the highest OF WAR in the AL

[Dojji]

Crawford is not a great leadoff man. The stolen bases are great, but his OBP is up and down and that's the last thing you really need from the first guy the pitcher faces in a game. I'd be OK with bringing him in, but not as a leadoff hitter.

[Station 13]

Your gain from Ells to Crawford isnt as big as you think. The only change is in power' date=' which Crawford maybe gives you another 5 homers in a sox uniform. And that gain would be paid for massively in contract. Dealing Ellsbury right now is a bad idea. You dont trade a stock when it bottoms out, and his value is at an all time low. I think the sox put Cameron on the bench/platoon with Drew and sign Werth. Then move Ells back to CF and you have an OF with average D who will produce significantly for you. A Werth-Ellsbury-Drew OF might be the highest OF WAR in the AL[/quote']

 

 

I hope they stay away from Crawford for the reasons you mention. He will get overpaid, hopefully not here.

 

We need a 900OPS OF that will be here for several years. Drew and Cameron are on their final year.

 

Kalish is developing and I think he's got 20HR+ in him with 40SB. He will fill in as stater 2012.

[example1]

It's an interesting comparison. Personally, I'm leaning toward Werth because of his natural fit in the middle of the lineup. Also, he's been a more valuable overall player the last few years, his defense isn't shoddy, his arm is good enough to be a weapon from LF in Fenway and he might actually be cheaper.

[Station 13]

Dunn is an interesting case. We will not lose our 1st rounder by signing him. In the case they don't bring back Beltre, Dunn could play 1B then transition to DH.

[Station 13]

It's an interesting comparison. Personally' date=' I'm leaning toward Werth because of his natural fit in the middle of the lineup. Also, he's been a more valuable overall player the last few years, his defense isn't shoddy, his arm is good enough to be a weapon from LF in Fenway and he might actually be cheaper.[/quote']

 

Beside where will Crawford hit in the lineup? He's not a lead off guy and doesn't like it. He's not a middle of the order bat. Pedey is a 2-hole hitter and not lead off. You can't move Pedroia out where he's put up great stats.

[db41]

They can keep the exact same lineup and win 100 games with a real bullpen. We've needed to fix the bullpen for three years now. Enough stupidity already.

[Dojji]

You make it sound like you can click your heels and bang, instant fixed bullpen.

 

Besides, the bullpen was very solid in 2009 betwee Paps, Bard, Oki, and Saito, so your statement is in error.

[jacksonianmarch]

You make it sound like you can click your heels and bang, instant fixed bullpen.

 

Besides, the bullpen was very solid in 2009 betwee Paps, Bard, Oki, and Saito, so your statement is in error.

 

The sox relied on the old guard in 2009. Dont forget Wagner, who really tightened that pen up at the end. But when you let Wagner and Saito go and dont add anyone sans Atchison, you put a lot of stress on a massively declining Oki and a trend reversing Papelbon. This upcoming yr, you have some promising guys like Bowden and Doubront, but you really have nobody you can count on sans Bard and Papelbon. You must take the pressure off those two, especially Bard, or else you run the risk of hitting the same problem area

[Dojji]

I did forget Wagner. And yeah, I'm not saying that the 2010 bullpen was anything but a disappointment but there's a couple factors involved there, not the least of which was injuries to our shortstop and second baseman that kept those two VERY pivotal defensive positions in flux all year. When the defense is bad, pitchers rate a partial mulligan if their numbers follow suit.

[Station 13]

Ramirez been lights out for SF. Maybe he had low self esteem here. The manager just didn't put him in important situations. Once in a blue-moon where Bard had work 6 of out the last 8 games he gets pick on to pitch and just gone too long without pitching to be effective.

 

Delcarmen was beyond hope. It's mechanical. He can't repeat his delivery. Can't throw his fastball with that armslot.

 

Wagner wanted to get 400 'saves'.

 

Papelbon blows HUGE games. If he had gotten a few lessBS and the clown 3B coach didn't send runners to died we'd be the division champs.

[leftonbase]

Just some thoughts I want to throw out there, or AM I just left on base without a clue!

 

whether or not it was said, Beltre is probably gone.....so that said move Youk to 3rd, sign Carlos Pena for 2 years or go for broke on Albert Pujhols...A a-rod deal for Pujhols 250 mil

 

if not Pena for 2 years til Anderson is ready

 

Ellsbury in left, Crawford for Center, if we get Pena he could help with Crawford coming...Kalish

in right

 

Maybe I'm just saying someone like Jon Garland to fit in the rotation in case someone falters

[Meh]

What about Buchholz and Lowrie as the starting point for a big A-Gon deal? I've heard for some time that Lowrie was Hoyer's boy. I really think they ask for Rizzo then too and plug him at 1B. You still have Lars Anderson you can deal away for another RP part. Followed by an arm with upside in Drake Britton or Alex Wilson. Padres send to you A-Gon, Joe Thatcher and Yorvit Torrealba. I know that seems like a lot but the Padres want a lot haha and they'll be people coming after Gonzalez. Blue Jays, IMO could be a sleeper with here, same with O's. O's make almost too much sense here. This deal is assuming he's willing to sign long term there . You get your legit 1B for the next 6+ years. A good set up man and a good backup catcher or even starter if you don't upgrade. If I had to guess and a place where A-Gon will be and I can't say the Padres, I'd say the O's. Something like Tillman, Hobgood, Snyder and Givens