The Future of Derek Jeter

[yankees228]

After his game ending double play tonight, I figured now was as good a time as any to start this discussion.

 

Here are his 2010 statistics (coming into tonight's game):

 

.279/.340/.389, .327 wOBA, 2.1 WAR

 

He's 36 years old.

 

If winning is this organizations' top priority, they handle Jeter exactly as they handled Damon last offseason. However I'm not naive, and I know that's not what's going to happen.

 

If it was up to me, and Jeter wasn't willing to take a 8-10 million dollar AAV over a couple years, I let him walk, and go after both Lee and Crawford.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Discuss Derek Jeter on a Red Sox forum? Lol this probably won't get any attention.

[yrtb]

The thing is, the #2 fan base a red sox forum attracts is Yankees fans, like me and yankees228 here

[Spudboy]

Discuss Derek Jeter on a Red Sox forum? Lol this probably won't get any attention.

 

Wrong, young Pup.

 

In case you've not noticed, Talksox has a Yankee Forum. Why is that?

 

Because it's good for business. As such, Yankee talk is, and will remain, a large part of the discussion here.

 

Also, you'd be well advised not to say anything disparaging about Y228. He's one of the most respected members of Talksox.

 

Dig?

[Keeper]

He'll get a 3 or 4-year deal. No question about it. His numbers are well below his career norms, but they're still pretty good for a SS. Plus, he puts butts in the seats.

 

NWIH do the Yankees ever let him walk.

[yankees228]

He'll get a 3 or 4-year deal. No question about it. His numbers are well below his career norms' date=' but they're still pretty good for a SS. Plus, he puts butts in the seats.[/quote']

 

Tickets will sell regardless. He's clearly on the downside of his career, having an overall poor offensive season. He's not worth the 20 million or so that the Yankees will probably end up paying him, the same money that will likely prevent them from making a legitimate run at Carl Crawford. In reality, he's probably not even worth 10 million.

 

Also, thanks for the support Spud.

[Keeper]

You may not like it. Certainly, you don't have to like it. But there it is. He will be in pinstripes for at least another 3 seasons. Will he be worth his salary? That remains to be seen. Maybe if you factor in his intangibles...

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Wrong, young Pup.

 

In case you've not noticed, Talksox has a Yankee Forum. Why is that?

 

Because it's good for business. As such, Yankee talk is, and will remain, a large part of the discussion here.

 

Also, you'd be well advised not to say anything disparaging about Y228. He's one of the most respected members of Talksox.

 

Dig?

 

No, I said Derek Jeter won't get any attention.The Yankees is something different. I have no problem with Yankees228 I'm cool with him.

[yankees228]

You may not like it. Certainly' date=' you don't have to like it. But there it is. He will be in pinstripes for at least another 3 seasons. Will he be worth his salary? That remains to be seen. Maybe if you factor in his intangibles... [/quote']

 

Haha, like I said in my first post, I completely agree. He's going to back, and he's going to be overpaid. I just thought it was an interesting discussion to have, mainly to hear what people actually thought he deserved.

[yrtb]

Well, if you factor in the part he has played in the Yankees most recent 5 world series and his being a captain and one of the few athletes in major league baseball with his type of superstardom that hasn't been involved in steroids or any charges of any sort, then what he deserves becomes a different story

 

I think the Yankees should offer him how much he likes, hopefully that will be less than 20 million, but I would hate to see him walk

 

And the Yankees have the money to get Crawford and Lee no matter how much money he gets. I wouldn't mind them going after Jayson Werth either if Crawford doesn't work out

[yankees228]

Well, if you factor in the part he has played in the Yankees most recent 5 world series and his being a captain and one of the few athletes in major league baseball with his type of superstardom that hasn't been involved in steroids or any charges of any sort, then what he deserves becomes a different story

 

I think the Yankees should offer him how much he likes, hopefully that will be less than 20 million, but I would hate to see him walk

 

And the Yankees have the money to get Crawford and Lee no matter how much money he gets. I wouldn't mind them going after Jayson Werth either if Crawford doesn't work out

 

I'm not sure if they have the money to sign two premier free agents. They were very serious about the budget this past winter, and I see no reason why this coming offseason would be any different.

 

They had no problem cutting ties with Don Mattingly and Bernie Williams when there were better options. I'm more concerned with the future of the organization, not the past. There are better routes to go moving forward, if Jeter won't sign for what his production dictates he's worth.

[Spudboy]

Haha' date=' like I said in my first post, I completely agree. He's going to back, and he's going to be overpaid. I just thought it was an interesting discussion to have, mainly to hear what people actually thought he deserved.[/quote']

 

Obviously, he's worth what the market will bear.

 

While his numbers may be on the decline, he's still a very large part of the Yankee product identity. As Keeper implied, his value is tied into more than just his on field performance and resulting stats.

 

Plus he banged Miriah Carey. In her prime.

[yankees228]

Obviously, he's worth what the market will bear.

 

While his numbers may be on the decline, he's still a very large part of the Yankee product identity. As Keeper implied, his value is tied into more than just his on field performance and resulting stats.

 

Plus he banged Miriah Carey. In her prime.

 

I'm sure that's how the Yankees will look at it. I'm willing to bet the brand will survive without Jeter, but so be it.

 

As for the Mariah Carey part, now that is impressive lol.

[Spudboy]

I can't see Jeter playing anywhere else.

[yrtb]

I can't see Jeter playing anywhere else.

 

I agree with this, I thought that getting rid of Bernie was wrong, when guys are trademark Yankees they should stay that way until they retire. And seeing Jeter get his 3,000th hit not as a Yankee? (he's on pace to do that next year unless he gets injured for more than half of the season)

 

That would just be wrong

[yankees228]

I can't see Jeter playing anywhere else.

 

Neither can I. He is definitely going to be back next year. However, the question remains whether that is the direction the Yankees should go in.

[Palodios]

On an oddly related note, did anyone else see the Other Guys? It will make any Sox fan cry out in sheer bliss.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree with you y228. We keep him in the leadoff spot, but he is not a good leadoff hitter. His OBP is way down and he swings too early in counts to be an effective leadoff hitter. I'd have him in the 8th hole personally with Gardner and Swish being in the 1-2 holes.

 

The Yankees have made it their personal mission since the ARod signing to stick to their guns with their evaluations of worth. Well, how much is a SS whose range is down (his UZR plummeted from last yr) and whose hit skill is declining worth? I wouldnt offer him more than $10 mil a yr just based on his past success alone.

[a700hitter]

I agree with you y228. We keep him in the leadoff spot, but he is not a good leadoff hitter. His OBP is way down and he swings too early in counts to be an effective leadoff hitter. I'd have him in the 8th hole personally with Gardner and Swish being in the 1-2 holes.

 

The Yankees have made it their personal mission since the ARod signing to stick to their guns with their evaluations of worth. Well, how much is a SS whose range is down (his UZR plummeted from last yr) and whose hit skill is declining worth? I wouldnt offer him more than $10 mil a yr just based on his past success alone.

$10 million per year for how many years?

[YanksHater213]

I find it hard to even consider that the face of the Yankees for the last decade plus could be playing somewhere else.

 

You have to think that between his loyalty to the organization, and the organization's loyalty to him that they'd have to come to some kind of completely fair common ground, right?

[Dojji]

I wonder if he can play third base...

[jacksonianmarch]

$10 million per year for how many years?

 

as few as possible

[a700hitter]

I wonder if he can play third base...

...and ARod goes where... full time DH for $30 million/year. Ortiz is a complete steal in comparison.

[a700hitter]

as few as possible

Realistically, where do you think that will come out. Does Jeter ask for 4 or 5 years or more? How far out will the Yankees be willing to go? Do you think he will demand a contract that extends as long as ARod's current deal?

[Palodios]

...and ARod goes where... full time DH for $30 million/year. Ortiz is a complete steal in comparison.

 

He was talking about in Boston. I think he's going to cost as much, if not more than Beltre, and I'm not sure if that's worth the investment, especially since the cost of a good shortstop is a bit more than that of a good third baseman.

[Dojji]

I'm just fooling around, but you know, a guy with that kind of contact/OBP talent, if he had a great year could really stretch a lineup out. And if you take him out of SS you get rid of his primary weakness (his complete and utter inability to easily handle a ball to his right)

[a700hitter]

He was talking about in Boston. I think he's going to cost as much' date=' if not more than Beltre, and I'm not sure if that's worth the investment, especially since the cost of a good shortstop is a bit more than that of a good third baseman.[/quote']

Oh. That is never going to happen. It would be a tremendous dagger to the heart of Yankee fans, but the cost would be way too high, and he is starting to slip offensively. However, no team would ever be hurt by adding DJ. I would love to see it. Between him and Pedroia, the winning attitude would be infectious on that team.

[redsoxrules]

in 4 years from now they'll have a 40 year old SS and a 40 year old 3rd baseman making 50 MIL a year with little production LOL

[a700hitter]

in 4 years from now they'll have a 40 year old SS and a 40 year old 3rd baseman making 50 MIL a year with little production LOL

I'm not going to be laughing at them if they have 2 or 3 consecutive titles from 2009- 2011, or more.

[jacksonianmarch]

Realistically' date=' where do you think that will come out. Does Jeter ask for 4 or 5 years or more? How far out will the Yankees be willing to go? Do you think he will demand a contract that extends as long as ARod's current deal?[/quote']

 

I wouldnt be surprised if Jeter wants 4, the Yankees want 2 and they eventually settle at 3 with a vesting option for a 4th