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Same as for the Red Sox draft picks. Please do not post in this thread yet. After the picks, I will post the name, position, age, scouting report and my take, then we'll discuss. Sound good?
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Same as for the Red Sox draft picks. Please do not post in this thread yet. After the picks' date=' I will post the name, position, age, scouting report and my take, then we'll discuss. Sound good?[/quote']

 

Go for it doc!

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Certainly was not a high profile guy. Definitely a reach. SS/RHP, Switch hitter, solid athlete, throws 94mph as a right handed pitcher. Athletic pick, but really? Must have thought Allie et al were unsignable. This reaks of CJ Henry all over again. Hope I am wrong
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Apparently he has shot up draft boards lately due to his arm, which ranks 65 on the 20-80 scale. Piliere says "don't kill the pick" as he has had good showings. But he is a project and "might" stick at SS. I dont want to see "might". This kid's value is as a SS, if he moves off SS (a black hole after Nunez in our system) then his worth plummets.
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I agree. Don't like this one at all. Hope I eat a lot of crow here, but not impressed. There was a rumor that NY wasnt going over slot in this draft, and this does nothing to defray that idea
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Well, just had some solace this morning reading Lane Meyer's piece over at pinstripesplus.com. He interviewed Oppenheimer directly, and sounds like this kid is a workaholic. So the makeup issue really doesnt fit. Also, DO was told directly by another GM that Culver wasnt making it to NY in the second round. So, here is to hoping they got it right. Their scouts think this kid will stick at SS. Great arm, good range, great reflexes. They like his approach as a young kid, and think his power will develop, although that is probably his biggest deficiency with the wood as a HSer.

 

This almost sounds like they drafted the best SS available due to a glaring need in the system, which I find to be a problem. You dont draft by need in the MLB draft, you draft best player available. And that was Allie, the HS fireballer. 18 yr olds throwing 98mph are rare. But, he is still available, would be great if we could steal him.

 

But that interview does help a little. Sounds like he is gonna stick at the SS position assuming his hands are as good as his raw skills

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They draft a cheap guy in the first round to spend all the money in later rounds in high signability guys.

 

Btw Jacko, Allie stinks.

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Well, just had some solace this morning reading Lane Meyer's piece over at pinstripesplus.com. He interviewed Oppenheimer directly, and sounds like this kid is a workaholic. So the makeup issue really doesnt fit. Also, DO was told directly by another GM that Culver wasnt making it to NY in the second round. So, here is to hoping they got it right. Their scouts think this kid will stick at SS. Great arm, good range, great reflexes. They like his approach as a young kid, and think his power will develop, although that is probably his biggest deficiency with the wood as a HSer.

 

This almost sounds like they drafted the best SS available due to a glaring need in the system, which I find to be a problem. You dont draft by need in the MLB draft, you draft best player available. And that was Allie, the HS fireballer. 18 yr olds throwing 98mph are rare. But, he is still available, would be great if we could steal him.

 

But that interview does help a little. Sounds like he is gonna stick at the SS position assuming his hands are as good as his raw skills

 

Teams draf out of need, then go for pure talent. Not always, but it happens, i told you in the other thread, and you don't know more about drafting than baseball organizations. It is what it is.

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Diony, I think that is the plan. Get a guy in Culver who they really liked who will sign for slot and then go for some overslot guys later on. Their budget this yr is right around where it was last yr, per report, which leaves them in the $8 mil range. If they improve their biggest weakness in the farm with this kid then find prizes down the line, then I am okay with that. The problem with this draft setup, though, is that we see one round plus the supp, analyze it, and have a full day to bitch/laud over it. Plus, seeing the sox have 3 picks and really start off well makes things worse.

 

As for Allie, I dont care if he is a project. He throws f***ing 98mph as an 18 yr old and has 2 plus potential off speed offerings. Everything I have read about him screams ace, even if he is less refined that Taillon.

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Teams draf out of need' date=' then go for pure talent. Not always, but it happens, i told you in the other thread, and you don't know more about drafting than baseball organizations. It is what it is.[/quote']

 

Not always being the operative word. Most teams draft pure talent since the draft is much more of a crapshoot than any other professional draft. I am just surprised that NY did, especially with their coffers.

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Not always being the operative word. Most teams draft pure talent since the draft is much more of a crapshoot than any other professional draft. I am just surprised that NY did' date=' especially with their coffers.[/quote']

 

Because in this case, it both fits a need and the profile. A player has to meet specific criteria for a team to forego what might be better talent to pick a specific player. Specially if they're convinced that he won't fall to them in the next round, which seems to be the case here.

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2nd round- Angelo Gumbs, SS, out of Torrance, CA. Here's the info on Angelo Gumbs from baseballbeginnings.com

 

Gumbs is a high school shortstop and a center fielder at heart, the position he’d like to play as a pro. He added about three inches from his sophomore year to his junior year and started to fill out, though there is a long way to go in that body. He’s rangy and whippy with above-average athletic actions. He’s going to be a player, and we’re happy to introduce him.

 

Gumbs grounded out twice, getting down the line in 4.2 seconds from the right-side. He was intentionally walked earlier in the game and hit a hard line drive over second base in the seventh inning for his only hit of the game.

 

Defensively, Gumbs went deep to his right, diving for a ball and spearing it to keep it in the infield. It was a rangy and athletic pro-caliber type play. On the next ball, a foul pop near the third base dugout, Gumbs came all the way over, took charge, and called off his third baseman to make the play.

 

Gumbs should only improve with age and strength. A product of the RBI program who has also played at the MLB Urban Youth Academy, Gumbs is a 16-under Team USA invite who should be at the Area Code Games later this summer. It’ll be an important summer for him as he continues to establish himself as a 2010 national-level draft prospect.

 

“I like shortstop, but I see my premium position as center field,” he said. “Center field is always where I’ve played. I love being out there running down balls.”

 

Angel Stadium gave him a long way to run. He’s the only infielder I’ve seen this year take ground balls with the range of a pro center fielder. He could stay at short in the future, though his upper body frame indicates strength to come and a body that is better suited to the outfield.

 

He’ll have to prove that he can hit as he advances, which he says is a priority this summer.

 

“I also want to work on staying on top of the ball more when I’m throwing,” he said. “Hitting is a non-stop thing. I’m starting to stay inside the ball more and keep both hands on the bat when I’m swinging. I work on keeping my feet and my knees planted when I hit the ball.”

 

 

ANGELO GUMBS, SS-CF, Torrance HS (2010 Draft)

 

6-2, 180

Bats Right, Throws Right

Games Seen 1, Innings: 7 (Spring 2009, Junior year at Angel Stadium)

 

PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Lean athletic and muscular build, strong forearms and hands, long fingers; High athletic legs; still physically maturing, like night and day between sophomore and junior years. Natural athlete.

 

STRENGTHS: Way above-average athletic actions. Fast arm, feet move, good arm action and footwork. 4.25 runner to 1B from RH side, fast first step, starts and stops on bases. Instinctive fielder; possess game-awareness, soft hands on defense, plus-range as SS. Fast hands at plate.

 

WEAKNESSES: Still growing as a hitter. A little too armsy and long with swing right now, and a little flat at times. Needs experience regularly hitting with wood against good pitching. Will need to show he can get his hands inside the good fastball. Power is a few years down the road.

 

SUMMARY: An athlete. Chance to be true 5-tool player, with grades 50 or better in each tool. Whippy and strong athletic body; could play SS or CF. Should become multi-platform offensive and defensive threat.

 

*********

 

35/50

Power 30/70

Run 50/50

Arm 60/60

Field 60/60

 

Overall Future Potential: 58

 

Sounds like a more athletic, less offensive clone of Cito Culver. Redundancy at a position of need here.

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3rd Round: Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane

 

From River Ave Blues

Segedin injured his lower back in the Cape Cod League in the summer of 2008, and continued back problems and a shoulder injury led Tulane to shut him down after five games last spring. He was healthy again by the summer, when he helped Bourne win its first-ever Cape championship, and has wielded one of the most potent bats in college baseball this year, hitting .434/.516/.788. Segedin has plenty of strength in his 6-foot-3, 220-pound frame, and he makes consistent, hard contact. His righthanded stroke is geared more toward line drives than loft, but he does show the ability to lift mistakes out of the park. He's not nimble on the bases or at third base, but he manages to get the job done defensively. He has plenty of arm at the hot corner, and his fastball topped out at 94 mph when the Green Wave used him as a reliever two years ago. Because of his back, he has pitched sparingly since. There aren't many quality bats like Segedin's in this draft, but his leverage as a draft-eligible sophomore at an academically strong program could drive up his price and down his draft position.

 

Definite signability case as a DES. He's got a hell of a bat and a ton of leverage due to his DES status. I have a feeling we sign this one

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4th Round: Mason Williams, OF, West Orange HS, FL

 

Sounds like another athletic guy with great speed, good arm, and a good offensive approach who projects to have power, yet doesnt have any yet

 

From perfectgame.org

 

Williams 6.44/91 from the outfield

PG National Showcase Report

Mason Williams is a 2010 OF/P with a 6'0'', 148 lb. frame from Winter Garden, FL who attends West Orange HS. Slender build, wiry strength. Very light on feet, 6.44 runner, excellent defensive player, plus range/plus arm strength in CF, shows instincts, has played MIF in past with similar tools/skills. Left handed hitter, leadoff type skills, quick short swing, line drives to all fields, polished hitter, recognizes pitches, can bunt for hits, speed plays on bases, more strength will help get balls to gaps. Also pitches, side arm style with mid 80's fastball, big sweeping CB, effective spot pitching style. Projects large as he fills out his body. Tools are present. Good student.

PG Grade: 9.5

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5th Round: Thomas Kahnle- Lynn University out of Upstate NY.

 

From ESPN

 

Thomas Kahnle

School: Lynn University

Drafted: Eligible for 2010 Draft

Scouting Report: Kahnle works as a starter now, but his all-out style is better suited to the pen. He's a big guy, thickly built but squat, like Eric Gagne, and airs it out on every pitch. He comes from a high 3/4 slot and sits 92-94 as a starter, although in relief on the Cape he touched 98 and would probably sit 94-96 if used in that role for an entire season. His two main drawbacks as a starter candidate are his lack of a second pitch -- he tries to throw a curveball but has no feel for it -- and below-average command, as he's missing Division 2 bats now on velocity, but frequently works out of the zone. He'll flash a changeup and that's more likely to become an average pitch than the curve, and he could be an above-average reliever in the majors with the plus fastball, an average change, his preference for attacking hitters.

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Yes' date=' they are on the 20 to 80 scale. His potential is as an above average major leaguer, assuming 50 is average[/quote']

 

Then why does it look like some marks are out of 50, 60, and 70 (judging by the number after the slash)?

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Then why does it look like some marks are out of 50' date=' 60, and 70 (judging by the number after the slash)?[/quote']

 

those are where they think he will reach. Current and projected

Posted

6th Round: Gabe Encinas, RHP, St Paul HS, CA

 

Love this pick. Big framed, throws low 90s, has good offspeed offerings and raw.

 

Between showcase events last summer and fall and the spring season, Encinas boosted his stock significantly by improving his conditioning and mechanics. At 6-foot-4 and 200 pounds, he now looks the part of the classic lanky and projectable high school righthander. His stuff didn't significantly improve, but he can maintain it deep into starts now. Encinas delivers a fastball that sits comfortably in the 90-92 mph range, and he shows a nice feel for mixing in a crisp curveball and changeup, which is probably the best changeup among Southern California prepsters. With smooth mechanics and an advanced feel for pitching, Encinas does an excellent job of mixing pitches, speeds and locations, and altering pitch sequences from at-bat at-bat. The large flock of scouts who started following Encinas this spring—particularly in games against top prospects Angelo Gumbs and Austin Wilson—did not seem to faze him. He profiles as a mid-rotation starter, and a future bump in velocity could even improve that outlook. He's committed to Loyola Marymount.
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