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[WhiskeyBreath]

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[RedSoxfanforlife305]

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I know right?

[Palodios]

I must commend you ORS. You were one of the only people who actually confronted reality at the end of June when you said that the injuries were just too much to overcome. The pom pom wavers thought that idea was crazy

 

All season I have been saying the same thing. They needed to rely on their starting rotation. If this rotation pitched to career averages, the team would be the best in the league. Its been a perfect storm situation, everything that could go wrong did. I keep saying its Farrell's fault, but everyone seems to ignore me.

 

I expected between Beckett, Wakefield, and Lackey, atleast one would have a good season--considering that two of them were all-stars last year. But seeing Beckett give up 6+ runs, 3 games in a row... that's the final nail in the coffin. A team needs more than 4 reliable pitchers, its as simple as that.

[SCM33]

I must commend you ORS. You were one of the only people who actually confronted reality at the end of June when you said that the injuries were just too much to overcome. The pom pom wavers thought that idea was crazy

 

What about me? I was called a fairweather fan when I said I wont be going to any more games this year helping out this administration when they did NOTHING to improve themselves at the deadline. Fairweather fan? I call that smart, the only ones still showing up helping their sellout streak are pink hats doing the wave in the 9th inning of a Beckett blowout and singing sweet caroline. Friggin idiots. Hardcore sox fans dont give a s*** about bells and whistles, just win....or at least attempt to.

 

Ive also pretty much hated the Beckett signing from day one.

 

Stop going to the games. TV and Radio ratings are already way down.....those are where the "true" fans are. Just look at this website alone, interest has been wayyyyyyy down this year compared to years past. The only thing the ownership is hanging its hat on is their precious sellout streak. Pink hats need to find a new hobby.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sorry SCM, you too

[a700hitter]

Sorry SCM' date=' you too[/quote']Example stuck his fork in this team in May. Check out Spud's signature. At the same time, I was very skeptical about whether this Red Sox team had what it took to compete with the Yanks or Rays and I was called negative and roundly criticized. This is a talented team, but not a very good team. They gave away a lot of games to inferior teams and they never demonstrated an ability to be competitive with the Yanks and Rays for the long haul. Injuries played a big part in the downfall, but they were far from the only reason for failure. I've said this many times. If the FO approaches the offseason with the attitude that they just need a healthy team next season, they will be mistaken.

[jacksonianmarch]

Example stuck his fork in this team in May. Check out Spud's signature. At the same time' date=' I was very skeptical about whether this Red Sox team had what it took to compete with the Yanks or Rays and I was called negative and roundly criticized. This is a talented team, but not a very good team. They gave away a lot of games to inferior teams and they never demonstrated an ability to be competitive with the Yanks and Rays for the long haul. Injuries played a big part in the downfall, but they were far from the only reason for failure. I've said this many times. If the FO approaches the offseason with the attitude that they just need a healthy team next season, they will be mistaken.[/quote']

 

Alright, I retract that statement for a few more people and only keep it out there for the pom pom wavers

[Dojji]

If being optimistic about my team's outlook and resenting the negative nancies who do the lemming dive well before anything is decided makes me a pompom waiver, especially in the eyes of the likes of Jacko, then rah rah!

[VA Sox Fan]

If being optimistic about my team's outlook and resenting the negative nancies who do the lemming dive well before anything is decided makes me a pompom waiver' date=' especially in the eyes of the likes of Jacko, then rah rah![/quote']

 

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[jacksonianmarch]

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Dojji

[a700hitter]

If being optimistic about my team's outlook and resenting the negative nancies who do the lemming dive well before anything is decided makes me a pompom waiver' date=' especially in the eyes of the likes of Jacko, then rah rah![/quote']Being optimistic is fine. I don't criticize anyone for hoping and being optimistic about their team. I'm still watching and rooting because I am clinging to the last remnants of hope for the post season. However, engaging in a critical analysis of the team's weak points and evaluating its prospect for success is not a negative thing.

[Palodios]

This is a talented team' date=' but not a very good team. [/quote']

 

It is a very good team. We saw exactly what it could do in June when it tore through the best teams in baseball. It has such incredibly good offensive pieces, that it has survived with a makeshift offense--which still is the 2nd best in the majors over the year. It cannot survive with a makeshift rotation.

[a700hitter]

It is a very good team. We saw exactly what it could do in June when it tore through the best teams in baseball. It has such incredibly good offensive pieces' date=' that it has survived with a makeshift offense--which still is the 2nd best in the majors over the year. It cannot survive with a makeshift rotation.[/quote']Even when healthy, this team found too many ways to lose games due to errors, poor judgment, and general sloppiness to inferior teams. The only portion of the season when the Sox were on a roll was when we played the inter-league portion of our schedule. Good teams don't lose games the way we have lost them this season. This is a very talented team, but not a very good team. Take out the inter-league games and we are a .500 team that has a hard time beating the worst AL teams.

[Yaz Sideburn]

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Dojji

 

jm, who do you think you're fooling calling anyone else on this forum a pom pom waiver? you're the worst of all of them

 

the other day you called dustin moseley a breath of fresh air for the yankees rotation

[Palodios]

Even when healthy' date=' this team found too many ways to lose games due to errors, poor judgment, and general sloppiness to inferior teams. [/quote']

 

This team has also won many games it should have lost. It evens out in the end. Buchholz has an ERA of 2.30, Lester has an ERA of 2.80. Somehow, the rotation averages out to 4.11. This team has been losing, not because it wasn't very good. It lost because Lackey and Beckett completely s*** the bed, this lost season is completely on their heads. Had they played at career averages, this team would be the best team in the majors.

[a700hitter]

This team has also won many games it should have lost. It evens out in the end. Buchholz has an ERA of 2.30' date=' Lester has an ERA of 2.80. Somehow, the rotation averages out to 4.11. This team has been losing, not because it wasn't very good. It lost because Lackey and Beckett completely s*** the bed, this lost season is completely on their heads. Had they played at career averages, this team would be the best team in the majors.[/quote']It doesn't matter who played bad. There are no excuses. This Red Sox team underperformed when healthy. It couldn't dominate bad teams and it couldn't compete with the good teams. It is not a very good team. We were all fooled by one stretch which coincided with inter-league play. Take away the inter-league schedule and the 2010 team is a .500 team just like Spudboy said yesterday.

[example1]

It doesn't matter who played bad. There are no excuses. This Red Sox team underperformed when healthy. It couldn't dominate bad teams and it couldn't compete with the good teams. It is not a very good team. We were all fooled by one stretch which coincided with inter-league play. Take away the inter-league schedule and the 2010 team is a .500 team just like Spudboy said yesterday.

 

I would actually be pretty happy if this team was coming back for 2011 with a rejuvenated bullpen.

 

The only time that the team was really put together and healthy was the first few weeks and they just sucked at that time. Nobody expects the rest of the season to be judged by the first few weeks, but that's really the only time we have to evaluate the whole team.

 

I think this team is comparable with the Rays and Rangers and that any of those teams, when healthy, would make a good run at the playoffs. The Yankees, in my opinion, are in another class. That's not to say they're guaranteed to win the World Series, but they've probably been assured of making the playoffs since day one.

 

I commend Theo for the construction of this team. The bullpen is a sticky situation because I understand the inclination to not overpay for bullpen arms (Jose Valverde and other available FAs would be prohibitive), especially with veterans like Ramirez, Oki and Delcarman and others who should have been better than they have been. In 2011 they should be able to slot Bowden and Doubront into those spots and hopefully will find an effective lefty somewhere.

 

Anyone who doubts the job Theo did really need only look at the Beltre signing. All offseason people were giving the FO s*** for not having enough offense, and how dare they focus on defense, and he signs a near-MVP caliber player that few others were interested in. Also, they were able to add some really crucial supplemental parts like McDonald and Atchison totally under the radar.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if the signings next season were couched in language about avoiding injuries and how the 2010 team was plagued by loss to injury time. In 2009 the concern was defense, now its that they can't even put their planned team out there because of injuries.

[a700hitter]

I would actually be pretty happy if this team was coming back for 2011 with a rejuvenated bullpen.

 

The only time that the team was really put together and healthy was the first few weeks and they just sucked at that time. Nobody expects the rest of the season to be judged by the first few weeks, but that's really the only time we have to evaluate the whole team.

 

I think this team is comparable with the Rays and Rangers and that any of those teams, when healthy, would make a good run at the playoffs. The Yankees, in my opinion, are in another class. That's not to say they're guaranteed to win the World Series, but they've probably been assured of making the playoffs since day one.

 

I commend Theo for the construction of this team. The bullpen is a sticky situation because I understand the inclination to not overpay for bullpen arms (Jose Valverde and other available FAs would be prohibitive), especially with veterans like Ramirez, Oki and Delcarman and others who should have been better than they have been. In 2011 they should be able to slot Bowden and Doubront into those spots and hopefully will find an effective lefty somewhere.

 

Anyone who doubts the job Theo did really need only look at the Beltre signing. All offseason people were giving the FO s*** for not having enough offense, and how dare they focus on defense, and he signs a near-MVP caliber player that few others were interested in. Also, they were able to add some really crucial supplemental parts like McDonald and Atchison totally under the radar.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if the signings next season were couched in language about avoiding injuries and how the 2010 team was plagued by loss to injury time. In 2009 the concern was defense, now its that they can't even put their planned team out there because of injuries.

The bad play extended into the middle of May, so I am not going to dismiss it as unimportant.

 

I don't think this team needs an overhaul, but it needs more than just a rejuvenated bullpen. It needs more stability and production from the OF. A healthy 38 year old Cameron will not fill that need. Also, let's not forget how we got embarrassed game after game by runners with canes and walkers stealing at will on us. We need help at the catcher position. VMart should either play mainly 1B or they should let him walk.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Take away the inter-league schedule and the 2010 team is a .500 team just like Spudboy said yesterday.

 

i don't get this argument. on one hand you say if they hadn't played well in interleague play, they'd be a .500 team, then you criticize them for not beating teams they should beat

 

aren't the national league teams they faced team they should beat? would the sox have been better off if they had a losing record in interleague like the rays?

[example1]

The bad play extended into the middle of May, so I am not going to dismiss it as unimportant.

 

I don't think this team needs an overhaul, but it needs more than just a rejuvenated bullpen. It needs more stability and production from the OF. A healthy 38 year old Cameron will not fill that need. Also, let's not forget how we got embarrassed game after game by runners with canes and walkers stealing at will on us. We need help at the catcher position. VMart should either play mainly 1B or they should let him walk.

 

I don't disagree. Getting a good defensive catcher should be a priority, but I think this team--as currently constructed--could be an ALCS level team if healthy. I agree with you though, that they should still seek to improve it.

 

Personally, I would be happy if they went after Werth or Crawford, and prepared to have Kalish take over for Drew when he is finished in RF.

 

It should be a very interesting offseason, because "standing pat" isn' treally an option this year and neither is just putting together a patchwork. They have money coming off the books and I imagine some of their better players (VMart, Beltre or Ortiz) won't be back.

[a700hitter]

I don't disagree. Getting a good defensive catcher should be a priority, but I think this team--as currently constructed--could be an ALCS level team if healthy. I agree with you though, that they should still seek to improve it.

 

Personally, I would be happy if they went after Werth or Crawford, and prepared to have Kalish take over for Drew when he is finished in RF.

 

It should be a very interesting offseason, because "standing pat" isn' treally an option this year and neither is just putting together a patchwork. They have money coming off the books and I imagine some of their better players (VMart, Beltre or Ortiz) won't be back.

Standing pat is never an option, because the MFY will make moves to improve like Cliff Lee or Carl Crawford or both. MFYs!!!

[a700hitter]

i don't get this argument. on one hand you say if they hadn't played well in interleague play, they'd be a .500 team, then you criticize them for not beating teams they should beat

 

aren't the national league teams they faced team they should beat? would the sox have been better off if they had a losing record in interleague like the rays?

I'm sorry you are confused. They only had one two week stretch where they played really well, and it was against NL teams that are not familiar with the Sox. My point is that the two week period was an aberration. The team's performance against the AL competition is a better indicator of what kind of team this is-- not very high-performing.

[Yaz Sideburn]

I'm sorry you are confused. They only had one two week stretch where they played really well' date=' and it was against NL teams that are not familiar with the Sox. My point is that the two week period was an aberration. The team's performance against the AL competition is a better indicator of what kind of team this is-- not very high-performing.[/quote']

 

how is saying that the sox aren't a good team because if you take away their best stretch of play they're only a .500 team any different than saying the sox are the best team in baseball becuase if you take away their worst stretch of play this year then they have the best record in baseball?

 

in actuality, their overall record is the best indicator of what kind of a team they are. and their overall record suggests that they're one of the best teams in baseball

[Yaz Sideburn]

and by the way, if you didn't count interleague play the sox would be 8 games over .500

[a700hitter]

how is saying that the sox aren't a good team because if you take away their best stretch of play they're only a .500 team any different than saying the sox are the best team in baseball becuase if you take away their worst stretch of play this year then they have the best record in baseball?

 

in actuality, their overall record is the best indicator of what kind of a team they are. and their overall record suggests that they're one of the best teams in baseball

You are missing my main point. I only brought those facts up to point out that it was not just the injuries that will be the cause of the Sox missing the playoffs. They played poorly when healthy through the first 6 weeks of the season. They played sloppy error filled baseball against lesser competition all season long. These are also reasons why they'll be home in October, not just injuries. You are getting caught up in the semantics of the phrase "very good team." Maybe I should not have used that term. I should have used the term "playoff team" instead. Playoff teams don't lose sloppy games to inferiro teams, etc. Replace "very good team" with "playoff team" in my posts and that will be more accurate. I used the wrong term.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Pedroia back to the DL with foot soreness. No further damage at least.

 

[a700hitter]

and by the way' date=' if you didn't count interleague play the sox would be 8 games over .500[/quote']

..and that will get you a 4th place finish usually.

[a700hitter]

Pedroia is back on the DL.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/08/pedroia_back_on.html

[Yaz Sideburn]

You are missing my main point. I only brought those facts up to point out that it was not just the injuries that will be the cause of the Sox missing the playoffs. They played poorly when healthy through the first 6 weeks of the season. They played sloppy error filled baseball against lesser competition all season long. These are also reasons why they'll be home in October' date=' not just injuries. You are getting caught up in the semantics of the phrase "very good team." Maybe I should not have used that term. I should have used the term "playoff team" instead. Playoff teams don't lose sloppy games to inferiro teams, etc. Replace "very good team" with "playoff team" in my posts and that will be more accurate. I used the wrong term.[/quote']

 

i just don't think that it proves anything that the sox would be only 8 games over .500 if you don't count their best stretch of play. they've lost games they should have won and they've won games they should have lost. who cares? we still have one of the best records in baseball and if we hadn't had such an injury plagued year, there's a very good chance that we'd be within 2 or 3 games of a playoff spot right now

[Palodios]

It doesn't matter who played bad. There are no excuses. This Red Sox team underperformed when healthy. It couldn't dominate bad teams and it couldn't compete with the good teams. It is not a very good team. We were all fooled by one stretch which coincided with inter-league play. Take away the inter-league schedule and the 2010 team is a .500 team just like Spudboy said yesterday.

 

So let me get this straight. They weren't good against good teams, and they weren't good against bad teams... then what does that make the NL? You're clearly contradicting yourself here. No matter how well they played, it was never good enough for you. You even criticized Youk as "not living up to his potential" when he had a 1.000 OPS. You were ready to give up on the team back in the first week of April.

 

In the month of May, the Red Sox were 18-11, .620 winning percentage.

In the month of June, the Red Sox were 18-9, a .677 winning percentage.

June 25th through June 27th, the Red Sox lost Pedroia, Buchholz and VMart. Losing a legitimate ace, and two players who are top 3 at their position was what made the difference. It had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of this team-- it fought through games it should have lost, and managed to make do with a makeshift lineup all season.