Red Sox injury updates

[yeszir]

Ellsbury is going to play OF in Pawtucket tomorrow.

 

He seems pretty blah about coming back: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/05/ellsbury_will_s.html which I guess means he's not ready.

 

Cameron will probably be back with the team on Monday but I'm willing to bet his hernia flares up very soon.

[RWTP24]

Ellsbury is going to play OF in Pawtucket tomorrow.

 

He seems pretty blah about coming back: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/05/ellsbury_will_s.html which I guess means he's not ready.

 

Cameron will probably be back with the team on Monday but I'm willing to bet his hernia flares up very soon.

 

Cameron was a dumb pick up. I never got this pick up at all. He does not help the Sox at all.

[TheMino007]

Ellsbury isn't rushing back b/c Boras doesn't want him to. He wants Ellsbury to be 100% so he doesn't jeopardize his health for the future when he can earn himself a nice contract. It will be nice to see Cameron back and see what he can do.

[YeAuldBroade]

Out of all the scrubs and minor-leaguers on the team right now... I most want Bill Hall gone. Yeah he's versatile, he can play many positions poorly. Wooptefreakin' do.

[Palodios]

Personally, I would prefer putting Bill Hall in the bullpen before keeping Schoenweiss.

 

Edit: Jonathan Van Every would be a better BP choice as well.

[das11209]

Cameron was a dumb pick up. I never got this pick up at all. He does not help the Sox at all.

 

Cauality of UZR - shows how poor decisions can be made that are solely based on stats.

[Dipre]

Cauality of UZR - shows how poor decisions can be made that are solely based on stats.

 

Because you can calculate injuries in the off-season.

 

Pretty ignorant statement. The Cameron signing was made because he was the best OF on the market besides Bay and Holliday, offensively and defensively. Do you have an objective criticism of Cameron's defense or offense?

[Dipre]

Cameron was a dumb pick up. I never got this pick up at all. He does not help the Sox at all.

 

I've seen you bashing the pickup in a couple other threads, and don't understand how he doesn't help the Sox at all.

 

Mentioned his .788 career OPS, but didn't mention his 107 OPS+ or his stellar D in CF throughout his career. Do you have an example of any FA's besides Bay and Holliday who could have made a bigger impact than Cameron, specially seeing that the reason his OPS+ is above average is because he has exhibited solid offense throughout his career even though he's mostly played in pitcher's ballparks?

[das11209]

Because you can calculate injuries in the off-season.

 

Do you have an objective criticism of Cameron's defense or offense?

 

I will if he ever gets on the field.

[Dipre]

I will if he ever gets on the field.

 

So, from your perspective, the Curstis Granderson acquisition was also a bust?

 

Trying to judge a signing because of an early health problem that no one could have predicted in an attempt to whine is an exercise in futility.

[das11209]

So, from your perspective, the Curstis Granderson acquisition was also a bust?

 

Trying to judge a signing because of an early health problem that no one could have predicted in an attempt to whine is an exercise in futility.

 

I appluad you for supporting anything and everything Red Sox have done since last year - I am shocked they have not given you a PR job in front office yet.

[Dipre]

I appluad you for supporting anything and everything Red Sox have done since last year - I am shocked they have not given you a PR job in front office yet.

 

Have you any idea of what you talk about, good sir?

 

A) I was one of the most vocal [posters against the Scutaro signing. A-Gon should have been resigned.

 

B ) Schoenweiss and Atchinson, really?

 

C) Not moving Lowell was a clear failure that set up what can be described as the current IF logjam.

 

Don't put words in my mouth, and try to be objective. Not everything they do is right, and not everything they do is wrong and deserves a whine-fest.

[das11209]

Have you any idea of what you talk about, good sir?

 

A) I was one of the most vocal [posters against the Scutaro signing. A-Gon should have been resigned.

 

B ) Schoenweiss and Atchinson, really?

 

C) Not moving Lowell was a clear failure that set up what can be described as the current IF logjam.

 

Don't put words in my mouth, and try to be objective. Not everything they do is right, and not everything they do is wrong and deserves a whine-fest.

 

For the record you think Mike Cameron signing is good - yes or no?

 

I really wanted A-Gon but he bolted for Blue Jays for 6 Mill - not sure he is worth that much.

[Dipre]

For the record you think Mike Cameron signing is good - yes or no?

 

I think it was a good signing. He's a good defensive OF with pop who's had his stats underminded due to park factors his entire career, and he fits well with the Sox due to his offensive approach.

 

He K's like it's going out of style, but he's always been a good ballplayer, and they protected themselves with an excellent offensive 4th OF (Hermida, and notice 4th OF) in case of injury issues with Cameron (who's been very healthy throughout his career). It's a fluke injury. People are down on the guy, but i bet he comes back productive.

 

 

I really wanted A-Gon but he bolted for Blue Jays for 6 Mill - not sure he is worth that much.

 

But A-Gon was a sure thing. Even though Scutaro's making me look bad since he keeps getting on base and has settled down with the glove, i would have much rathered have A-Gon in the first place, and was publicly ridiculed on the forum for suggesting as much.

[RWTP24]

I've seen you bashing the pickup in a couple other threads, and don't understand how he doesn't help the Sox at all.

 

Mentioned his .788 career OPS, but didn't mention his 107 OPS+ or his stellar D in CF throughout his career. Do you have an example of any FA's besides Bay and Holliday who could have made a bigger impact than Cameron, specially seeing that the reason his OPS+ is above average is because he has exhibited solid offense throughout his career even though he's mostly played in pitcher's ballparks?

 

 

First off, Cameron is complete trash, period. The only thing he can do is play a little D. Also, he is old now, so his D is not going to be anything like it was. Second, I would take Ellsbury in CF over Cameron any day of the week as would every other team in the Bigs other than Boston. Third, the Sox could have saved money because Herminda pretty much has the same s***** numbers as Cameron. Fourth, I would rather have one of the young guys come up and learn what the BIGs are all about so they could use them in the long run. Finally, with all this said, I do not have a lot of time to sit on the computer and look at stats and FA’s all day, but I would bet there was some FA’s out there that were better than Cameron.

 

 

Also, see that you see most of my post; you should know I have disliked everything that Theo has done this year.

 

• Hall – overpaid by 5 million.

• Lowell – need to be traded and any cost. The Sox are sitting on 12.5 million for someone on the bench.

• Cameron – was a wasted pick up.

• Scutaro – is impressing me more and more, but with that said, there were other FA’s out there that were younger and a better long term option.

• Beckett – no reason to sign him till the year was almost over. Beckett from the playoffs last year till now has been crap. He could very well be done, but yet again, Theo throwing money around that once again, might bit him in the ass.

• Bullpen – he did not do anything really to improve it at all.

[YeAuldBroade]

Cameron is complete trash? Can only play a little D? You know what you said after that may have sounded like Einstein but frankly your first two sentences were too lame for me to continue.

 

I can only assume you base your entire opinion on his age and the fact that he has a hernia because there is no way you know anything about his career.

[diony]

First off, Cameron is complete trash, period. The only thing he can do is play a little D. Also, he is old now, so his D is not going to be anything like it was. Second, I would take Ellsbury in CF over Cameron any day of the week as would every other team in the Bigs other than Boston. Third, the Sox could have saved money because Herminda pretty much has the same s***** numbers as Cameron. Fourth, I would rather have one of the young guys come up and learn what the BIGs are all about so they could use them in the long run. Finally, with all this said, I do not have a lot of time to sit on the computer and look at stats and FA’s all day, but I would bet there was some FA’s out there that were better than Cameron.

 

 

Also, see that you see most of my post; you should know I have disliked everything that Theo has done this year.

 

• Hall – overpaid by 5 million.

• Lowell – need to be traded and any cost. The Sox are sitting on 12.5 million for someone on the bench.

• Cameron – was a wasted pick up.

• Scutaro – is impressing me more and more, but with that said, there were other FA’s out there that were younger and a better long term option.

• Beckett – no reason to sign him till the year was almost over. Beckett from the playoffs last year till now has been crap. He could very well be done, but yet again, Theo throwing money around that once again, might bit him in the ass.

• Bullpen – he did not do anything really to improve it at all.

 

Scutaro was the best SS available.

 

The problem with Cameron is, he creates a logjam for next season, if the Red Sox decide to aim for either Crawford or Werth.

[diony]

Cameron is complete trash? Can only play a little D? You know what you said after that may have sounded like Einstein but frankly your first two sentences were too lame for me to continue.

 

I can only assume you base your entire opinion on his age and the fact that he has a hernia because there is no way you know anything about his career.

 

The career of a 37 year old CF has no relevance when evaluating the move.

[Palodios]

Scutaro was the best SS available.

 

The problem with Cameron is, he creates a logjam for next season, if the Red Sox decide to aim for either Crawford or Werth.

 

Alex gonzalez was the best shortstop available. And he signed for 2 million for 1 year.

 

Cameron as a 4th outfielder isn't really a big deal, considering he bats right, and Ellsbury/Drew bat left, and between that and injuries, they all get significant playing time. How many times have we seen our outfield as Macdonald/Hall/Hermida this season? Cameron has hit 24+ home runs for many many consecutive seasons. He's not going to drop that much.

[ORS]

Scutaro was the best SS available.

 

The problem with Cameron is, he creates a logjam for next season, if the Red Sox decide to aim for either Crawford or Werth.

Not really. They could get either and have Drew be the primary DH in the last year of his contract, which would help him stay in the lineup more often.

[ORS]

Alex gonzalez was the best shortstop available. And he signed for 2 million for 1 year.

Scutaro is a career 92 OPS+ hitter to Gonzalez's 80, with most of that edge coming in the more important OBP component of the stat. Yeah, Gonzalez is better with the glove, but his offense is, historically, much weaker. If you told me that he'd have 10 HR and be hitting at 129 OPS+ in mid-May, I'd have signed up for that, but I'd also have called you crazy if you made that prediction based on his history.

[YeAuldBroade]

The career of a 37 year old CF has no relevance when evaluating the move.

Did you even read the post I responded to or decide to just make any unrelated wise ass comment? This has nothing to with the post I responded to or what I said in my post.

[Palodios]

All I said was that he was the best shortstop available-- I didn't say I expected it.

[ORS]

Fair enough, but roster decisions are based on what the player is expected to do. At the time he was signed, Scutaro was the best SS available, which is what the post you responded to said.

[Dipre]

First off' date=' Cameron is complete trash, period. The only thing he can do is play a little D. Also, he is old now, so his D is not going to be anything like it was. Second, I would take Ellsbury in CF over Cameron any day of the week as would every other team in the Bigs other than Boston. Third, the Sox could have saved money because Herminda pretty much has the same s***** numbers as Cameron. Fourth, I would rather have one of the young guys come up and learn what the BIGs are all about so they could use them in the long run. Finally, with all this said, I do not have a lot of time to sit on the computer and look at stats and FA’s all day, but I would bet there was some FA’s out there that were better than Cameron.[/quote']

 

This is a completely subjective assesment that simply shows a disregard for the player on your part.

 

Cameron has been a solid two-way player his entire career, whether you like it or not, what you think of Cameron has no relevance on the type of player he actually is and how he fit on the Sox. The hernia problem is a fluke. And if you don't have the "time" to come up with an informed opinion, then don't make posts bashing players you have just admitted to knowing little about because you don't have the "time" to find out about them.

 

Also, see that you see most of my post; you should know I have disliked everything that Theo has done this year.

 

• Hall – overpaid by 5 million.

• Lowell – need to be traded and any cost. The Sox are sitting on 12.5 million for someone on the bench.

• Cameron – was a wasted pick up.

• Scutaro – is impressing me more and more, but with that said, there were other FA’s out there that were younger and a better long term option.

• Beckett – no reason to sign him till the year was almost over. Beckett from the playoffs last year till now has been crap. He could very well be done, but yet again, Theo throwing money around that once again, might bit him in the ass.

• Bullpen – he did not do anything really to improve it at all.

 

Let me adress the rest of your post, because quite frankly, most of the opinions are ridiculous:

 

Hall- We're paying basically nothing for him.

 

Scutaro- He was the best SS available, and he's only a stopgap until Iglesias is ready, who, if you don't now, is a player the Sox invested 8 million in expecting him to be the SS of the future, therefore they were not going to deal talent for another SS (because there weren't any younger, long-term options in the FA market as you suggested, but i digress) when they have a player that they expect to take over the position.

 

Cameron- You don't like him, we know, but that has nothing to do with whether the signing made sense or not, and it did, and you would know if you took some "time" to find out.

 

Beckett- You're bitching about him getting extended? Seriously?

 

Bullpen- The one point where you're seemingly correct. Another lefty arm was needed, and the Bonser experiment imploded.

[RWTP24]

This is a completely subjective assesment that simply shows a disregard for the player on your part.

 

Cameron has been a solid two-way player his entire career, whether you like it or not, what you think of Cameron has no relevance on the type of player he actually is and how he fit on the Sox. The hernia problem is a fluke. And if you don't have the "time" to come up with an informed opinion, then don't make posts bashing players you have just admitted to knowing little about because you don't have the "time" to find out about them.

 

 

 

Let me adress the rest of your post, because quite frankly, most of the opinions are ridiculous:

 

Hall- We're paying basically nothing for him.

 

Scutaro- He was the best SS available, and he's only a stopgap until Iglesias is ready, who, if you don't now, is a player the Sox invested 8 million in expecting him to be the SS of the future, therefore they were not going to deal talent for another SS (because there weren't any younger, long-term options in the FA market as you suggested, but i digress) when they have a player that they expect to take over the position.

 

Cameron- You don't like him, we know, but that has nothing to do with whether the signing made sense or not, and it did, and you would know if you took some "time" to find out.

 

Beckett- You're bitching about him getting extended? Seriously?

 

Bullpen- The one point where you're seemingly correct. Another lefty arm was needed, and the Bonser experiment imploded.

 

 

Cameron has been a solid two-way player his entire career, whether you like it or not, what you think of Cameron has no relevance on the type of player he actually is and how he fit on the Sox. The hernia problem is a fluke. And if you don't have the "time" to come up with an informed opinion, then don't make posts bashing players you have just admitted to knowing little about because you don't have the "time" to find out about them.

 

Sorry I have no life and do not have the time to post every day with stat and stats you copy and paste from other sites. I wish I had the time to do nothing all day and just sit on talk sox. That would be the life. I know Camerons stats. There are weak. That is a big reason until this year he got on a good team. .250 BA, .340 OBP, .447 SLG, .788 OPS are good numbers?? Come on now. You should know better than that. Herminda has the same damn numbers. There was no need to pick him up.

 

Hall- We're paying basically nothing for him.

 

He is getting 8 millon. That is way too much. If the Sox are paying nothing for him for some reason I do not know of, then great.

 

 

Scutaro- He was the best SS available, and he's only a stopgap until Iglesias is ready, who, if you don't now, is a player the Sox invested 8 million in expecting him to be the SS of the future, therefore they were not going to deal talent for another SS (because there weren't any younger, long-term options in the FA market as you suggested, but i digress) when they have a player that they expect to take over the position.

 

JJ Hardy and I believe Drew was avalible as well. I could be wrong on that. But like I said, Scutaro is play way better than I would have thought. The Sox sign him because he had a career year last year.

 

 

Cameron- You don't like him, we know, but that has nothing to do with whether the signing made sense or not, and it did, and you would know if you took some "time" to find out.

 

Read Above.

 

Beckett- You're bitching about him getting extended? Seriously?

 

Yes, seriously. Why give him an extension in the when they could have waiting. What is going to happen if he is pitching this bad the rest of the year??? Theo is going to look like an idiot.

[Dipre]

 

Sorry I have no life and do not have the time to post every day with stat and stats you copy and paste from other sites. I wish I had the time to do nothing all day and just sit on talk sox. That would be the life. I know Camerons stats. There are weak. That is a big reason until this year he got on a good team. .250 BA, .340 OBP, .447 SLG, .788 OPS are good numbers?? Come on now. You should know better than that. Herminda has the same damn numbers. There was no need to pick him up.

 

Solid defense.

 

Do you know what OPS+ does or how it works? I don't need to copy-paste stats, i make an effort to udnerstand them. If you're going to talk about them, i suggest you do the same.

 

I suggest you find out then go check out Cameron's. Also, Hermida is horrible defensively and has platoon issues. Don't compare them.

 

 

 

 

He is getting 8 millon. That is way too much. If the Sox are paying nothing for him for some reason I do not know of, then great.

 

The Mariners paid $7.5 million of his salary. Didn't have to "copy-paste" from another site for this one.

 

 

 

JJ Hardy and I believe Drew was avalible as well. I could be wrong on that. But like I said, Scutaro is play way better than I would have thought. The Sox sign him because he had a career year last year.

 

Show me a source that says Drew was available.

 

As for Hardy, after the Iglesias signing, the Sox wanted a stop-gap, not to send talent to another team for an established player.

 

 

 

Read Above.

 

Did. Same thing.

 

 

Yes, seriously. Why give him an extension in the when they could have waiting. What is going to happen if he is pitching this bad the rest of the year??? Theo is going to look like an idiot.

 

Knee-jerk. The funny thing is, if he hadn't gotten the extension and had been going through a good stretch of pitching, you'd probably be bitching about the FO not extending him. Funny how that works.

[SoxSport]

This team has a lot of issues. Aside from bad decisions about moving Ellsbury around and the Lowell dilemma, the management stood around while other teams stole bases at historic rates for the better part of a year. Funny how all that seems to have stopped lately. What's changed? Well, maybe the pitchers are now trying to hold the runners on--for a change. I can't believe ANY catcher is that bad.

 

And then you have the pitching--which has been an embarrassment. There is no excuse for your best two pitchers starting poorly two years in a row. Strikes me as bad conditioning.

 

You look at the Yankees and the Red Sox: right now, it looks like the Yankees have a much better run organization.

[Dipre]

According to this article:

 

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100520&content_id=10248188&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

 

Ellsbury and Cameron are both expected back within a week:

 

Ellsbury, sidelined with cracked ribs, and Cameron, on the 15-day disabled list with an abdomen injury, played together for the first time since April 11. Ellsbury played left field and Cameron manned center; they had four of Portland's eight hits.

 

Both outfielders are expected to rejoin Boston within a week. Cameron is 5-for-18 in the Minors between Portland and Triple-A Pawtucket, and Ellsbury is 4-for-10 with an RBI and a steal.

[Palodios]

At this rate, Ellsbury will be back when Boras wants him to come back. Although, I'd take Cameron over Van Avery/ Hall any day. And since I'd take Hall over Angel, the lineup is going to be significantly better when they get back.