Fantasy Baseball League II

[diony]

Kinsler is having a bad year. His value is way down, regardless of what round you drafted him.

 

Strasburg's value is high. Maybe this is his ceiling, maybe not. He's certainly more valuable than a slumping middle infielder.

 

It's June 10th.

 

Kinsler does have a track record, and all advanced statistics, say he'll rebound.

 

It's called buying low.

 

That way of thinking is what makes your team a punching bag.

[diony]

Hey what about this rhet or 26, I have Buster Posey on the block! He's hitting .450/.488/.625 NOW (because all the matters is how the player is doing now ). I think that's enough of a package for Strasburg, I mean he has more value than Ian Kinsler who is slumping. He's so good I found him on waivers 2 weeks ago.

 

Let's do Posey for Strasburg straight up

 

...

[rhet]

Value is what you can get for him.

You won't be getting Strasburg.

[rhet]

 

That way of thinking is what makes your team a punching bag.

 

LOLOLOL

 

sure it is

[diony]

Value is what you can get for him.

You won't be getting Strasburg.

 

If his price is Tulowitzki you can keep him.

 

Hey I just checked, founded your entire OF and your UTIL on waivers on my other league

[26 to 6]

My 2nd round pick for Stephen Strasburgh wasn't fair? Jesus christ.

 

And about the Polanco/Johnson, there are statistics that can help you project players over the course of a season. Dipre knows them, seems like you don't.

 

I undervaluate Zimmerman? And you undervaluate Swisher.

 

If Rolen is so good, why not trading Zimmerman instead. I mean, check Rolen numbers they're better than Zimmerman. Hell, he has a better OPS than Longoria. All that matters is what he's doing NOW, right?

The only problem with the numbers that project performance is just that, they PROJECT, or speculate as to what the player may do. I prefer to stick to statistics that reflect the players already existing performance. I;d rather not f*** with the Miss Cleo statistics, because if there's one thing I know in baseball, it's that things don't usually go as expected.

 

As for Zim/Rolen, I know Rolen is doing better right now, but Zim is obviously the better all around player. That's not to say Rolenisn't having a great year, but he's not even in Zimmerman's league. In my opinion he's the best third baseman in the national league, and the package you expect me to take in return is almost laughable, if not insulting.

[26 to 6]

It's June 10th.

 

Kinsler does have a track record, and all advanced statistics, say he'll rebound.

 

It's called buying low.

 

That way of thinking is what makes your team a punching bag.

Hahaha....I have nothing but respect for you as a poster in general on the board, but as a fantasy player, it's almost a joke. Buying low? Yeah, let him sell high on the brightest pitching prospect since Doc Gooden and buy low on a slumping second baseman. Why don't I just gift-wrap Zimmerman for you while I'm at it lol.

[diony]

BELL trades Shane Victorino, Phi OF to Green Stockings

BELL trades Freddy Sanchez, SF 2B to Green Stockings

BELL trades Cole Hamels, Phi SP to Green Stockings

 

26-6 trades Chris Coghlan, Fla OF to Joes

26-6 trades Anibal Sanchez, Fla SP to Joes

26-6 trades Jeremy Bonderman, Det RP to Joes

 

You want me to do that trade so you can upgrade from Coghlan to Victorino, from A. Sanchez to Hamels and to get rid of a scrub like Bonderman and replace it with a good 2B like Sanchez. Oh really? and I win nothing.

 

How do you come up with these kind of deals?

[rhet]

Hahaha....I have nothing but respect for you as a poster in general on the board' date=' but as a fantasy player, it's almost a joke. Buying low? Yeah, let him sell high on the brightest pitching prospect since Doc Gooden and buy low on a slumping second baseman. Why don't I just gift-wrap Zimmerman for you while I'm at it lol.[/quote']

 

He's just posing. It's all good.

[diony]

The only problem with the numbers that project performance is just that' date=' they PROJECT, or speculate as to what the player may do. I prefer to stick to statistics that reflect the players [b']already existing performance.[/b]

 

Tell that to the guy that dropped Carlos Pena weeks ago.

[italstallianion]

If his price is Tulowitzki you can keep him.

 

Hey I just checked, founded your entire OF and your UTIL on waivers on my other league

 

 

 

While I usually have my conflicts with Diony in fantasy baseball, this time, I agree with him over 26 and Rhet. On one hand, I do think that 26's offers are insulting, and that if this were a real business negotiation, I would block 26 from further negotiations since it would be clear that he has no intentions of making a serious trade. 26, I think you're a good poster and a decent fantasy manager, but I disagree with your method of trade negotiations. There's winning a trade and ripping off another person, and despite what your intentions are, when you send an extremely lopsided trade it makes some people not want to trade with you at all, rather than get people engaged in deals with you.

 

And Rhet, when you said that you wanted a top 5 bat for Strasburg, I wanted to tell you to fornicate yourself with a tire iron. I wouldn't give you a top 5 bat for Strasburg EVEN IF you did suck my balls. Hell, I wouldn't trade Tulowitzki for Strasburg, and I don't even have Tulowitzki. That means that I wouldn't take Tulowitzki from Diony and give it to you for Strasburg, where I'd lose nothing and gain Strasburg, just because you'd be going from Strasburg to Tulowitzki. If this were a Keeper league, then the trade would maybe make some sense, but Strasburg is just starting to pitch now and will probably be on an innings limit. In addition, if I face you again, it would only be one more time, and odds are, I'd only have to go against one Strasburg start.

 

Good luck finding someone dumb enough to do that trade with you. I think you'd be lucky if you got a top 5 ROUND pick, let alone a top 5 bat overall.

[26 to 6]

BELL trades Shane Victorino, Phi OF to Green Stockings

BELL trades Freddy Sanchez, SF 2B to Green Stockings

BELL trades Cole Hamels, Phi SP to Green Stockings

 

26-6 trades Chris Coghlan, Fla OF to Joes

26-6 trades Anibal Sanchez, Fla SP to Joes

26-6 trades Jeremy Bonderman, Det RP to Joes

 

You want me to do that trade so you can upgrade from Coghlan to Victorino, from A. Sanchez to Hamels and to get rid of a scrub like Bonderman and replace it with a good 2B like Sanchez. Oh really? and I win nothing.

 

How do you come up with these kind of deals?

Looking at the numbers, I don't see Victorino over Coghlan necessarily as an upgrade at the moment, same with Sanchez/Hamels. Do you just review these trades based on names, or do you actually look at their numbers as well?

[26 to 6]

While I usually have my conflicts with Diony in fantasy baseball' date=' this time, I agree with him over 26 and Rhet. On one hand, I do think that 26's offers are insulting, and that if this were a real business negotiation, I would block 26 from further negotiations since it would be clear that he has no intentions of making a serious trade. 26, I think you're a good poster and a decent fantasy manager, but I disagree with your method of trade negotiations. There's winning a trade and ripping off another person, and despite what your intentions are, when you send an extremely lopsided trade it makes some people not want to trade with you at all, rather than get people engaged in deals with you. [/quote']

Most of my offers haven't been extremely lopsided, and as for my trade methods, it's not even about that anymore. I think he has ridiculous asking prices for most of his players, and ignores the performance of some of mine. I really don't care one way or the other, I'm content with the guys that I have for the time being, and I have no sense of urgency to try to come to terms with diony on any kind of move. As for him making many of my offers public, that's just a blatant neglect lf fantasy etiquette, and from now on I'll have no problem doing the same. In fact I may dig through my email trash bin and dig up some of the older, more ridiculous trades he's sent me.

 

And Rhet, when you said that you wanted a top 5 bat for Strasburg, I wanted to tell you to fornicate yourself with a tire iron. I wouldn't give you a top 5 bat for Strasburg EVEN IF you did suck my balls. Hell, I wouldn't trade Tulowitzki for Strasburg, and I don't even have Tulowitzki. That means that I wouldn't take Tulowitzki from Diony and give it to you for Strasburg, where I'd lose nothing and gain Strasburg, just because you'd be going from Strasburg to Tulowitzki. If this were a Keeper league, then the trade would maybe make some sense, but Strasburg is just starting to pitch now and will probably be on an innings limit. In addition, if I face you again, it would only be one more time, and odds are, I'd only have to go against one Strasburg start.

 

Good luck finding someone dumb enough to do that trade with you. I think you'd be lucky if you got a top 5 ROUND pick, let alone a top 5 bat overall.

Ian Kinslet though...If you had Starsburg, would you trade him for Ian Kinsler??

[26 to 6]

Tell that to the guy that dropped Carlos Pena weeks ago.

Sure, I'll also mention it to the guy who held onto x number of specific players whose preseason projections indicated they would have huge years yet they're struggling to hit .240 or hovering with an ERA above 4. You can't just look at it from one side. Projections are a tossup, sometimes they're accurate, sometimes they're not. Look at the "2010 Projections" tab above your lineup and tell me how many of your players are on pace to either surpass or fall short of those projections?

 

And I just noticed that AGAIN, you continue to post trade offers I've sent you, but you continue to neglect posting the entire offer. There was definitely another player going your way on that one.

[italstallianion]

Most of my offers haven't been extremely lopsided, and as for my trade methods, it's not even about that anymore. I think he has ridiculous asking prices for most of his players, and ignores the performance of some of mine. I really don't care one way or the other, I'm content with the guys that I have for the time being, and I have no sense of urgency to try to come to terms with diony on any kind of move. As for him making many of my offers public, that's just a blatant neglect lf fantasy etiquette, and from now on I'll have no problem doing the same. In fact I may dig through my email trash bin and dig up some of the older, more ridiculous trades he's sent me.

 

 

Ian Kinslet though...If you had Starsburg, would you trade him for Ian Kinsler??

 

 

 

 

I have Chase Utley, so the answer is an obvious no. However, if I had a need at 2B and reasonable depth at pitching, then I would DEFINITELY do that trade. I will say though that I would prefer to have a better offense than better pitching, as pitching can be mitigated through managing (ie stream starts) rather than offense which is more based on luck, drafting skills, and more luck. So I'd rather have Ian Kinsler at 2B (which is a prime position due to the paucity of great offensive players) than Strasburg as a SP, especially due to the amount of decent/good SP out there.

 

I would definitely trade Strasburg for Kinsler if I needed a 2B. But that's based on my opinion on respective values as well as my model for fantasy team management. People who don't stream start are less likely to go for that deal.

[italstallianion]

I'd also like to point out that my answer also is contingent on the league NOT being a keeper league. If this were a keeper league, then I would not trade Strasburg for Kinsler.

 

 

Edit: And if you traded him right now, you'd still have him for his start vs. the Guardians

[suns]

I'm putting Javier Vazquez on the trading block.

[diony]

I'm putting Javier Vazquez on the trading block.

 

What are you looking for?

[suns]

What are you looking for?

 

A bat

[italstallianion]

Offer him a top 5 bat...haha

[rhet]

You guys give this way too much thought. This is not even a money league.

[italstallianion]

There's more to life than money. And for the record, the past few posts have only elucidated a microcosm of the ancillary thought processes and decisions undertaken behind proper fantasy strategy/management.

[Dipre]

I need pitching:

 

Placido Polanco, Justin Smoak, Carlos Pena, Michael Stanton, Scott Posednik, Marco Scutaro, Carlos Santana on the block.

[italstallianion]

Diony, you lucky bastard. You're facing Gom when he's having one of his worst weeks ever.

[suns]

I need pitching:

 

Placido Polanco, Justin Smoak, Carlos Pena, Michael Stanton, Scott Posednik, Marco Scutaro, Carlos Santana on the block.

 

I like Stanton and Santana.

[suns]

Diony' date=' you lucky bastard. You're facing Gom when he's having one of his worst weeks ever.[/quote']

 

I'm facing Dipre when he is having one of the worst week ever.

[Dipre]

I'm facing Dipre when he is having one of the worst week ever.

 

And you're still not going to beat me. His comment came from the fact that diony's beating Gom like 8-1.

[suns]

And you're still not going to beat me. His comment came from the fact that diony's beating Gom like 8-1.

 

I'm going to beat you.

[Dipre]

I'm going to beat you.

 

You'll be lucky if we end up 5-5. And even if you do beat me 5-4, i'll still be in first because of diony kicking gom's ass.

 

Life is good.

[suns]

You'll be lucky if we end up 5-5. And even if you do beat me 5-4, i'll still be in first because of diony kicking gom's ass.

 

Life is good.

 

How about all that smack talk on AIM, what will you do when I beat you? :thumbsup:

 

EDIT: Start Santana tomorrow.