Sox Withdrew Offer to Bay in July Because of MRI

[YeAuldBroade]

IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS YEAR people. If it was about this year Bay would be a Red Sox. The issue behind their reason not to sign Bay has to do with what they think he'll be in the middle to end of the deal -- 3-5 years from now. If that knee doesn't hold up Bay gets a lot less useful very quickly -- especially in the National League. Knee injuries affect both offense and defense at the same time.

 

Again -- it doesn't MATTER what he does this year. It doesn't matter if he MURDERS the ball THIS year. Not to the debate over whether or not to sign him to a 5 year deal anyway. The Red Sox fully intend to be contenders in 5 years too and Bay may or may not be useful by then.

WORD!

[redsoxrules]

so how's Jason Bay doing thus far ?

 

the Sox would be 10 games over 500 if they would of re-signed him with his 712 OPS thus far

 

f***ing stupid theo

 

 

Now, I know Bay wont finish the year with a 712 OPS but I doubt he even finishes with an 850 OPS

[a700hitter]

so how's Jason Bay doing thus far ?

 

the Sox would be 10 games over 500 if they would of re-signed him with his 712 OPS thus far

 

f***ing stupid theo

 

 

Now, I know Bay wont finish the year with a 712 OPS but I doubt he even finishes with an 850 OPS

He sucks, but his wheels are just fine. He already has three triples and two steals.

[YeAuldBroade]

so how's Jason Bay doing thus far ?

 

the Sox would be 10 games over 500 if they would of re-signed him with his 712 OPS thus far

 

f***ing stupid theo

 

 

Now, I know Bay wont finish the year with a 712 OPS but I doubt he even finishes with an 850 OPS

 

10 games over .500, really?

 

GOOD GOD!

[Dipre]

 

10 games over .500, really?

 

GOOD GOD!

 

He's being sarcastic.

 

@a700: It's May 2010. It's basically a 5-year contract.

 

@redsoxrules: Bay will bounce back.

[a700hitter]

so how's Jason Bay doing thus far ?

 

the Sox would be 10 games over 500 if they would of re-signed him with his 712 OPS thus far

 

f***ing stupid theo

 

 

Now, I know Bay wont finish the year with a 712 OPS but I doubt he even finishes with an 850 OPS

Holliday was was also available. He's not sucking. Stupid Theo opted for a 37 year old with holes in his abdomen, who wasn't a big impact bat in his prime.

[Dipre]

Holliday was was also available. He's not sucking. Stupid Theo opted for a 37 year old with holes in his abdomen' date=' who wasn't a big impact bat in his prime.[/quote']

 

The Sox offered similar money to Holliday than what they ended up signing Lackey for. Was there a way to force him to sign?

[a700hitter]

The Sox offered similar money to Holliday than what they ended up signing Lackey for. Was there a way to force him to sign?

Charm, hypnotism, blackmail..whatever they have to do. It's their job to get it done.

[Dipre]

Charm' date=' hypnotism, blackmail..whatever they have to do. It's their job to get it done.[/quote']

 

I think even hypnotized he wouldn't have turned down 20 million more and batting behind Pujols from the Cards.

[a700hitter]

I think even hypnotized he wouldn't have turned down 20 million more and batting behind Pujols from the Cards.

THen blackmail.

[Dipre]

THen blackmail.

 

If they were going to blackmail someone, the should have blackmailed the guy who's playing 1B for the Yankees now. Even if it did block Lars, the 20X All-Star.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Sox offered similar money to Holliday than what they ended up signing Lackey for. Was there a way to force him to sign?

 

Yeah, pay him more than what the Cardinals did

[Dipre]

Yeah' date=' pay him more than what the Cardinals did[/quote']

 

Oh no , i never thought about that!

 

Or maybe i just thought it would have been really, really stupid to hand him a bigger deal than the Cardinals did and didn't even mention it.

[frodo]

No matter how bad the damage, he could have been a good aspect to the team after recovery.

[Chamomile]

Jason Bay's WAR - 0.4

 

John Lackey's WAR - 0.5 WAR

Mike Cameron's WAR - 0.1 WAR

 

So we've come out positive so far, even with Cameron on the DL for most of the season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Oh no , i never thought about that!

 

Or maybe i just thought it would have been really, really stupid to hand him a bigger deal than the Cardinals did and didn't even mention it.

 

I dont think you needed to hand him a bigger deal, IMO. I bet a deal similar to Pujol's last deal would have appeased Boras. 7yrs 100mil or so. Regardless, he would have been the middle of the order bat that the sox could have used. As much as the sox may be beating up on a team ill equipped to tango with them, I highly doubt that any team with any sort of pitching would be battered as soundly as the Jays were in this series. The Jays are proving to be an almost exclusively offensive club with Hill, Wells, Lind, Snider and many others coming around (hell, Hill sucks thus far). Good pitching shuts down good hitters. And bad pitching loses you games. Morrow tanked game 1. Eveland ditto in game 2. And the only pitcher worth his salt in Marcum shut the sox down. You get a reprieve in the Tiger series, missing Verlander but you then run into Hughes and CC again in NY.

[larrylawrence]

nice

[Dipre]

I dont think you needed to hand him a bigger deal' date=' IMO. I bet a deal similar to Pujol's last deal would have appeased Boras. 7yrs 100mil or so. Regardless, he would have been the middle of the order bat that the sox could have used. As much as the sox may be beating up on a team ill equipped to tango with them, I highly doubt that any team with any sort of pitching would be battered as soundly as the Jays were in this series. The Jays are proving to be an almost exclusively offensive club with Hill, Wells, Lind, Snider and many others coming around (hell, Hill sucks thus far). Good pitching shuts down good hitters. And bad pitching loses you games. Morrow tanked game 1. Eveland ditto in game 2. And the only pitcher worth his salt in Marcum shut the sox down. You get a reprieve in the Tiger series, missing Verlander but you then run into Hughes and CC again in NY.[/quote']

 

Marcum is a good pitcher, when on, he could shut anyone down, including the legendary Yankees offense. And i don't know if you've noticed, but the Yankees have been shut down by mediocre pitching the last couple of days. Wonder how they'll do against good pitching then?

 

For your information, Jacko, the Sox have also battered good pitching this year, and been shut out by mediocre pitching, it's the nature of the game. Besides of the fact that more often than not, good pitching shuts down good hitting.

 

As for the Holliday part, you know fully well Boras would have gone back to St. Louis to look for the bigger contract. Stop spewing idiocy to try and prove a point.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox used to regularly give Roy Halladay a hard time. A post-surgical Marcum is not in his league. They should have ripped him a new one.

[Dipre]

The Red Sox used to regularly give Roy Halladay a hard time. A post-surgical Marcum is not in his league. They should have ripped him a new one.

 

Yet they hammered Sabathia in his first start and Burnett, who'd been pitching excellent on Sunday, while the Yankees got their asses kicked by Rick Porcello and a post-surgical Bonderman (even though they beat him). See what i mean?

 

Stop bitching.

[a700hitter]

So, if we can beat Burnett and hit Sabathia, we should have had no problem with a post surgical Marcum who is not an elite pitcher. Not bitching, just stating a fact. They should be sweeping that Halladay-less Jays at Fenway. The 2010 Sox are just not getting it done right now. Other than a sweep of the Angels (who have turned into dogshit) at Fenway, we can't beat the good teams, we are not playing well on the road, and they are not beating the weak teams as consistently as they should at Fenway. Maybe some of this changes when Cameron and Ellsbury return.

[Dipre]

So' date=' if we can beat Burnett and hit Sabathia, we should have had no problem with a post surgical Marcum who is not an elite pitcher. Not bitching, just stating a fact. They should be sweeping that Halladay-less Jays at Fenway. The 2010 Sox are just not getting it done right now. Other than a sweep of the Angels (who have turned into dogshit)at Fenway, we can't beat the good teams, we are not playing well on the road, and we are not beating the weak teams as consistently as they should at Fenway. Maybe some of this changes when Cameron and Ellsbury return.[/quote']

 

When a pitcher is having a good day, even if he's mediocre (Porcello, Bonderman) you're not going to beat him like a drum. You've watched enough baseball to know that the above makes no sense. You shouldn't be expecting to sweep anyone anywhere. You expect series wins, which is exactly what the Red Sox provided.

 

Stop bitching.

[a700hitter]

Here's the facts. After a long home stand, this 2010 Red Sox team (with a $160 million payroll) are a click above .500 a month and a half into the season. It's not where they wanted or expected to be. Now that April has been gone for two weeks, you have found a new mantra of "stop bitching" to replace the "it's only April" mantra? Fourth place behind Toronto after a long home stand -- there's plenty to bitch about right now.

[ORS]

7-3 on that home stand.

 

WAH!!! They didn't go 10-0. WAH!!

[a700hitter]

7-3 on that home stand.

 

WAH!!! They didn't go 10-0. WAH!!

Good enough to be firmly in 4th place ahead of the Orioles. Maybe this would be a good position for a playoff berth in hockey, but not in baseball even with a Wild Card.

[YeAuldBroade]

going .700 on a homestand freakin' ROCKS!

 

You can't make up for a bad April in one homestand.

 

Have you tried relaxing walks on the beach?

[jacksonianmarch]

Marcum is a good pitcher, when on, he could shut anyone down, including the legendary Yankees offense. And i don't know if you've noticed, but the Yankees have been shut down by mediocre pitching the last couple of days. Wonder how they'll do against good pitching then?

 

For your information, Jacko, the Sox have also battered good pitching this year, and been shut out by mediocre pitching, it's the nature of the game. Besides of the fact that more often than not, good pitching shuts down good hitting.

 

As for the Holliday part, you know fully well Boras would have gone back to St. Louis to look for the bigger contract. Stop spewing idiocy to try and prove a point.

 

Mediocre pitching? Bonderman, yeah I'll give you that one. We scored 2 runs in 3IP on the scrub that started Monday, but we got shut down by a very strong bullpen after that. Porcello is far from mediocre even though he had a rough start and I would venture to guess that Lester isnt mediocre, right?

[a700hitter]

going .700 on a homestand freakin' ROCKS!

 

You can't make up for a bad April in one homestand.

 

Have you tried relaxing walks on the beach?

I am very relaxed:lol:, but a 4th place team shouldn't be too relaxed. The team is playing better, but they are going to need to maintain that level of play on the road. They need to not lose any more ground before Cameron and Ellsbury get back. Then I would expect them to go on a bit of a run, overtake Toronto and start closing on Tampa and the Yankees. The two drubbings by the Yanks could not have done much for the confidence of the team. It could be a key spark if they can beat the Yanks on the upcoming trip to the Bronx.

[YeAuldBroade]

I am very relaxed:lol:' date=' but a 4th place team shouldn't be too relaxed. The team is playing better, but they are going to need to maintain that level of play on the road. They need to not lose any more ground before Cameron and Ellsbury get back. Then I would expect them to go on a bit of a run, overtake Toronto and start closing on Tampa and the Yankees. The two drubbings by the Yanks could not have done much for the confidence of the team. It could be a key spark if they can beat the Yanks on the upcoming trip to the Bronx.[/quote']

The Sox are not world beaters this year and I have no idea how far they'll go this season. It's pretty obvious that so far they have under-performed but I think it's also safe to say the Rays and Yankees aren't as good as their record. I won't know how the season turns out until the end of October. For the rest of the season they need to go just over .500 on the road and close to .700 ball at home. If, IF, they can consistently do that I think they'll definitely make the playoffs. If they don't, Theo re-tools in the offseason and we'll see a lot of new faces in Sox uniforms in 2011. The good news.. it's still Sox baseball and it's almost summer.

[a700hitter]

The Sox are not world beaters this year and I have no idea how far they'll go this season. It's pretty obvious that so far they have under-performed but I think it's also safe to say the Rays and Yankees aren't as good as their record. I won't know how the season turns out until the end of October. For the rest of the season they need to go just over .500 on the road and close to .700 ball at home. If' date=' IF, they can consistently do that I think they'll definitely make the playoffs. If they don't, Theo re-tools in the offseason and we'll see a lot of new faces in Sox uniforms in 2011. The good news.. it's still Sox baseball and it's almost summer.[/quote']I've been to Fenway in April and last weekend. I am tired of watching the games in football weather, and it can't be helping some of the older bats like Ortiz. The big guy likes the hot weather, and so do many of the pitchers. This is a team that can do something if it gets on track. With the improved rotation, they should play better ball on the road than in past years. There are signs of them getting on track, but we will not know what direction the 2010 team is going to take intil Cameron and Ellsbury return. Scott Boras has to love that.