Kotchman to the Mariners?

[Dipre]

Better peripherals from Vazquez' date=' but a higher ERA. I have said before that ERA is not a good way to judge a pitcher. You tried to make the point that its his inability to pitch when runners are on base. That's kinda like arguing clutch in a hitter, eventually it all evens out.[/quote']

 

By the way, this is ********.

 

That's a career trend.

 

I didn't "try" to make the argument, i made it, and you didn't touch it, because the fact that his XBH problem magnifies , and does it over such a large sample size, suggests that's not a fluke. Stop trying to hide the sun with a finger. If you want to discount the analysis, do it statistically, because your biased opinion is invalid when faced with statistical analysis, and specially over a sample size that big.

[jacksonianmarch]

I didnt touch it because I work all the god damn time. I read your piece. It is interesting, but his yr to yr variability was pretty big, especially from 2005 to 2009. And, he has proven a few seasons in his career that he can actually pitch with runners on.

[Dipre]

I didnt touch it because I work all the god damn time. I read your piece. It is interesting' date=' but his yr to yr variability was pretty big, especially from 2005 to 2009. And, he has proven a few seasons in his career that he can actually pitch with runners on.[/quote']

 

Feel free to take the time to prove me wrong then, Mr. hard worker. You say he can, but the stats say he has trouble, and that's why his shiny FIP and his ERA don't correlate. Please substantiate your claims or don't waste my time.

[Plumpamania]

Essentially what we see here is QQ I DONT WANT TO PROVE ANYTHING QQ.

[riverside sluggers]

I think you are going to be disappointed when the Yankees match the sox rotation pitch for pitch. Also' date=' with Hughes or Joba in the pen, I'd take our pen too. And I do agree that Cano and Pedroia are even. Their OPS difference is .007 and that includes a miserable 2008 for Cano which was completely out of character for a guy who has set a precedent as being one o fthe best 2b's in the game.[/quote']

 

Yep Pettitte is going to see no dip in his production, and the Yankees rotation will once again be healthy and not miss any starts

[italstallianion]

Yep Pettitte is going to see no dip in his production' date=' and the Yankees rotation will once again be healthy and not miss any starts[/quote']

 

 

 

Including AJ "I got a concussion while masturbating" Burnett.

[yankees228]

Yep Pettitte is going to see no dip in his production' date=' and the Yankees rotation will once again be healthy and not miss any starts[/quote']

 

Last year, their projected number two starter made nine starts, and pitched to a 9.46 ERA.

[Dipre]

Last year' date=' their projected number two starter made nine starts, and pitched to a 9.46 ERA.[/quote']

 

After that injury and Xavier Nady, it was all smooth sailing upon A-Rod's return.

[riverside sluggers]

Wang was the projected #2 starter ahead of Burnett and Pettitte???

[yankees228]

After that injury and Xavier Nady' date=' it was all smooth sailing upon A-Rod's return.[/quote']

 

That's true, but it's false to say the Yankees' rotation was completely healthy all year. Getting practically nothing from your number two starter is a significant blow.

[yankees228]

Wang was the projected #2 starter ahead of Burnett and Pettitte???

 

Just judging by what he had done in the past, and how they opened up the season, that's what I would assume. However, exactly where he was projected is besides the point.

[Dipre]

That's true' date=' but it's false to say the Yankees' rotation was completely healthy all year. Getting practically nothing from your number two starter is a significant blow.[/quote']

 

Yeah the Red Sox knew about that last year as well.

[yankees228]

Yeah the Red Sox knew about that last year as well.

 

True, but my comment was never meant as a Yankee - Red Sox comparison. It was simply an attempt to refute RS's comment.

[Imperial59]

Last year' date=' their projected number two starter made nine starts, and pitched to a 9.46 ERA.[/quote']

 

Wang was never projected as a #2 starter. That's just silly. He saw significant regression in 2008, and missed most of the season. To say he was the projected #2 starter before he unexpectedly got injured and regressed in 2009 is completely inaccurate.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wang was never projected as a #2 starter. That's just silly. He saw significant regression in 2008' date=' and missed most of the season. To say he was the projected #2 starter before he unexpectedly got injured and regressed in 2009 is completely inaccurate.[/quote']

 

You're wrong on Wang's regression. Wang actually put up his best OPS against and his best K rate in 2008. His ERA was a tad higher than usual, but as I have said before, ERA isnt the best marker to gauge a pitcher. The only thing different about 2008 for Wang was that he broke his foot in a freak accident. I actually had Wang pencilled in as the #2 mostly to break up the two power pitchers with a sinkerballer. And had Wang put up his standard season of 190-210IP 3.7ERA then he would have qualified as the #2. His woes were a direct relation to his freak injury and now he's out of work. I would love to bring him back into the fold, but I have a feeling he's gonna go somewhere that lets him start off the bat, and that is not in NY

[jacksonianmarch]

Yeah the Red Sox knew about that last year as well.

 

You lost your #3 starter. Beckett and Lester were always 1 and 1a.

[Dojji]

And to hear you talk last offseason, Wang was going to be your #3 as well, behind Sabathia and Burnett, so I'd call it even.

[Dipre]

You lost your #3 starter. Beckett and Lester were always 1 and 1a.

 

So was Chien-Ming Wang.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wang and Burnett were much closer than Lester and DiceK were. Hence why you could make a strong argument that Wang was our #2 last yr. No chance you could make that argument about DiceK.

[Dipre]

Wang and Burnett were much closer than Lester and DiceK were. Hence why you could make a strong argument that Wang was our #2 last yr. No chance you could make that argument about DiceK.

 

Yeah, reach more plz.

[Dojji]

No, Wang and his 4.05 ERA over 90 innins in 2008 wasn't your #2 starter. Matsuzaka was much closer to Lester than that -- heck, Matsuzaka led the team in wins in 2008 and was a better value as a pitcher than Beckett, who is coming off an off season..

[jacksonianmarch]

What kind of retort is that? Just another Dipre-ism. I expect to see strawman come out in the wrong context soon in this thread.

[jacksonianmarch]

No' date=' Wang and his 4.05 ERA over 90 innins in 2008 wasn't your #2 starter. Matsuzaka was much closer to Lester than that -- heck, Matsuzaka led the team in wins in 2008.[/quote']

 

And what have we said about wins there Dojji? DiceK had a massive WHIP and a very low IP/start. His saving grace in 2008 was luck as his BABIP was unsustainably low, especially in big spots.

[Dojji]

When what you're claiming is patently absurd on the face of it,. Jacko, expect nothing more than a Dipreism for your efforts.

[Dojji]

And what have we said about wins there Dojji? DiceK had a massive WHIP and a very low IP/start. His saving grace in 2008 was luck as his BABIP was unsustainably low' date=' especially in big spots.[/quote']

 

Most of us did anticipate a regression from Matsuzaka, especially given his ongoing shoulder troubles. But for the most part, we anticipated a regression to 3.8-3.9 ERA, somewhere slightly above the level Chien-Ming Wang pitched at in 2008 in other words.

[jacksonianmarch]

Actually, its about Dipre being wrong again. He said that the sox lost their #2 starter last yr. They didnt.

[jacksonianmarch]

Most of us did anticipate a regression from Matsuzaka' date=' especially given his ongoing shoulder troubles. But for the most part, we anticipated a regression to 3.8-3.9 ERA, somewhere slightly above the level Chien-Ming Wang pitched at in 2008 in other words.[/quote']

 

I am not comparing them to each other there genius.

[Dojji]

Consider the year Beckett had in 2008, Jacko. It's not really that absurd a claim.

[Dojji]

I am not comparing them to each other there genius.

 

I know. I'm saying you probably should be.

 

Wang was certainly not your #2 starter anytime in the last 2 years.

[Dipre]

What kind of retort is that? Just another Dipre-ism. I expect to see strawman come out in the wrong context soon in this thread.

 

 

From the master of strawmen. Lol.