Yankees 25 man roster for 2010

[jacksonianmarch]

This just cements your legacy here. Troll, nothing else.

[Dipre]

This just cements your legacy here. Troll' date=' nothing else.[/quote']

 

Pot. meet kettle.

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Leave Francisco Cervelli alone!!!!! With this coaching staff, he's the next Joe Mauer!!!!!

Where did I say he would be the next Joe Mauer? Why don't you shut the f*** up and get your facts straight. I agreed with you on his projections and the type of player he is. The only thing I disagree with you on is that he won't show some sort of improvement. Simple logic dictates that a player doesn't reach his offensive peak at age 22, and that good coaching influences those improvements. Stop being such a f***ing troll and read the f***ing posts. You have your opinion, which I respect your entitlement to, what I don't understand is the need to carry on this conversation for 10 pages, throughout the whole time in which you attacked and shunned the opinions of others. Grow the f*** up dude, for real. You're better than that.

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How in the world is it that Gom was banned for his antics, yet everything this clown says and does is tolerated without even a warning? I don't get that.

[Imperial59]

Butthurt? I'm fine with the backup catcher we have' date=' and idk why it's been discussed so much. You guys are the one giving this discussion so much life.[/quote']

 

I think the entire Yankees bench is being discussed but Cervelli is getting the most play because the Yankees fans on this board seem to think that he's the best player on the team's bench right now and Red Sox fans are picking at him because he's not a very good player.

[Imperial59]

I agreed with you on his projections and the type of player he is. The only thing I disagree with you on is that he won't show some sort of improvement. Simple logic dictates that a player doesn't reach his offensive peak at age 22' date=' and that good coaching influences those improvements.[/quote']

 

The trouble with this is that Cervelli has a 45 game major league sample size. That's not hardly enough to judge what kind of an MLB hitter he is, let alone whether he'll improve or regress next year. And I don't know where you and Jacko are getting your ages for him from, but Cervelli will be 24, not 22 all of next season.

[Imperial59]

This just cements your legacy here. Troll' date=' nothing else.[/quote']

 

It's a Red Sox fan forum Jacko. If you can't take a joke at the Yankees expense, then you're welcome to GTFO. We won't miss you. There's gotta be at least one Yankees forum that hasn't banned you yet.

[italstallianion]

How in the world is it that Gom was banned for his antics' date=' yet everything this clown says and does is tolerated without even a warning? I don't get that.[/quote']

 

 

 

Now I'm not a moderator, and I've only been here for about a year (about a year exactly) but I can say that GOM instigates and trolls conversations that have nothing to do with him and turns them into rapid s*** shows, whereas the beef between Dipre and Jacko has gone on long enough whereby nobody could tell who's the instigator. It's like the scrum for a loose football; if you let it progress long enough you'll have no idea who's the real instigator or who really had the ball.

 

Rough analogy I know but near midnight isn't necessarily when I bring my A game. I agree with you though. If GOM got banned then others should probably be banned, but that's obviously the decision of the moderators and should be respected as such. I can't honestly see Dipre or Jacko getting the axe without the other one following. At this point they are like Siamese twins, only nobody has a 100% definition on which one's the evil one.

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The trouble with this is that Cervelli has a 45 game major league sample size. That's not hardly enough to judge what kind of an MLB hitter he is' date=' let alone whether he'll improve or regress next year. And I don't know where you and Jacko are getting your ages for him from, but Cervelli will be 24, not 22 all of next season.[/quote']

I knew it was 24! I saw Jacko write 22 in one of his posts and I thought that I was wrong because he follows the system a little more closely than I do. My bad there.

 

And you're right, 45 games isn't enough of a sample size to determine how good a MLB hitter he'll be. I don't think he'll be great, or even above average in any way, shape, or form. I do think that because of his youth and his decent numbers in the minors that with the right coaching he could improve a little, not dramatically, but a little. I would say the same for any young player. Most players don't reach their peaks at 24, but either way whether he improves or not doesn't matter much to me, as long as he plays good defense behind the plate and proves to be an offensive upgrade over Molina, which there should be no arguments about regardless of his lack of MLB experience.

[Imperial59]

I knew it was 24! I saw Jacko write 22 in one of his posts and I thought that I was wrong because he follows the system a little more closely than I do. My bad there.

 

And you're right, 45 games isn't enough of a sample size to determine how good a MLB hitter he'll be. I don't think he'll be great, or even above average in any way, shape, or form. I do think that because of his youth and his decent numbers in the minors that with the right coaching he could improve a little, not dramatically, but a little. I would say the same for any young player. Most players don't reach their peaks at 24, but either way whether he improves or not doesn't matter much to me, as long as he plays good defense behind the plate and proves to be an offensive upgrade over Molina, which there should be no arguments about regardless of his lack of MLB experience.

 

I think he could improve a little over the long haul. The first three years of a player's major league career are extremely unpredictable though, let alone the first full season of a major league player's career. Even the best players struggle at first.

[Dipre]

How in the world is it that Gom was banned for his antics' date=' yet everything this clown says and does is tolerated without even a warning? I don't get that.[/quote']

 

Ah, the butthurt in this post is delicious.

[Dipre]

I think he could improve a little over the long haul. The first three years of a player's major league career are extremely unpredictable though' date=' let alone the first full season of a major league player's career. Even the best players struggle at first.[/quote']

 

The problem is he might improve, but not to regular in the Yankees level. Specially with Montero and Romine waiting in the wings. Things need to be taken into context.

[Imperial59]

Ah' date=' the butthurt in this post is delicious.[/quote']

 

Could we please have a thread without the term "butthurt" in it?

[Dipre]

Could we please have a thread without the term "butthurt" in it?

 

Hahahaha. Since you're my man, i shall refrain from "butthurt" and refer to it as "Hurt Yankee pride".

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Now I'm not a moderator, and I've only been here for about a year (about a year exactly) but I can say that GOM instigates and trolls conversations that have nothing to do with him and turns them into rapid s*** shows, whereas the beef between Dipre and Jacko has gone on long enough whereby nobody could tell who's the instigator. It's like the scrum for a loose football; if you let it progress long enough you'll have no idea who's the real instigator or who really had the ball.

 

Rough analogy I know but near midnight isn't necessarily when I bring my A game. I agree with you though. If GOM got banned then others should probably be banned, but that's obviously the decision of the moderators and should be respected as such. I can't honestly see Dipre or Jacko getting the axe without the other one following. At this point they are like Siamese twins, only nobody has a 100% definition on which one's the evil one.

hey don't get me wrong, I don't want either of them to get banned. When he's not busy creeping out from underneath his bridge Dipre has a lot to contribute and has a pretty good perspective of the game. He just tends to shove his opinions down people's throats with trollish tactics. I respect his opinions, but that I don't respect. Recently we had a big discussion in another thread (I forget which one, I'm thinking the 11 active members thread in AG) in the aftermath of Gom's ban where we all talked about how the behavior here by many of us (myself at times included) is unacceptable and needs to change for the sake of the board. He seemed receptive for the most part, however he hasn't changed a bit. He's as much a troll now as he's ever been. The only problem with that though is that when it's directed at me I have a hard time biting my tongue, and eventually I'm gonna get banned because of him. But at the same time nothing is ever said to him. After all the years I've spent here I respect yeszir and most of the moderators, but I have a hard time with the fact that they've put all these rules in place that Dipre constantly breaks, and yet he never gets reprimanded at all. I think we should all have to play by the same rules. But whatever, I'm done ranting and bitching.

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I think he could improve a little over the long haul. The first three years of a player's major league career are extremely unpredictable though' date=' let alone the first full season of a major league player's career. Even the best players struggle at first.[/quote']

Absolutely. To be fair I agree with everything in your post. Over the long haul I expect him to improve, especially under the tutelage of Kevin Long. The point I was trying to make throughout the entire thread, which may have been lost in all the drama, is that no matter how bad he may seem now, he's STILL an upgrade over Molina IMO. He can't hit to save his life. It's almost a disgrace that he gets the honorable distinction to have hit the last home run at the old Yankee Stadium. And the fact that he runs slower than a snail didn't help him at all either. I'm not a very fast guy, but I bet I could round all the bases and go from home to home before Molina even got to first.

[Dipre]

hey don't get me wrong' date=' I don't want either of them to get banned. When he's not busy creeping out from underneath his bridge Dipre has a lot to contribute and has a pretty good perspective of the game. He just tends to shove his opinions down people's throats with trollish tactics. I respect his opinions, but that I don't respect. Recently we had a big discussion in another thread (I forget which one, I'm thinking the 11 active members thread in AG) in the aftermath of Gom's ban where we all talked about how the behavior here by many of us (myself at times included) is unacceptable and needs to change for the sake of the board. He seemed receptive for the most part, however he hasn't changed a bit. He's as much a troll now as he's ever been. The only problem with that though is that when it's directed at me I have a hard time biting my tongue, and eventually I'm gonna get banned because of him. But at the same time nothing is ever said to him. After all the years I've spent here I respect yeszir and most of the moderators, but I have a hard time with the fact that they've put all these rules in place that Dipre constantly breaks, and yet he never gets reprimanded at all. I think we should all have to play by the same rules. But whatever, I'm done ranting and bitching.[/quote']

 

Not really.

 

I only troll here.

 

In reality, my problem is not with you, it's with Jacko.

 

I find it extremely annoying to not be able to ever read something about the Sox without Jacko's constant "Sox suck because of......" chant.

 

If the Yanks make a good move, i acknowledge it to the extent of the quality of the move, even defending them against the "Salary dump cries".

 

I think we should all play by the same rules. And i'm annoyed as f*** with the "Sox suck...." cries, because this is.......wait for it...... a Red Sox board.

 

That is all.

[Imperial59]

Hahahaha. Since you're my man' date=' i shall refrain from "butthurt" and refer to it as "Hurt Yankee pride".[/quote']

 

I'm as guilty as it as anyone, but I think the forum would benefit from fans on both sides of the rivalry to refrain from insults or attacks on the team as a whole. If we could stick to statistics and other objective analysis, I think we'd have more than enough to debate and I think more people would be excited about the discussions and would enjoy participating. When I see two posts going back and forth at eachother with personal insults and little content for 2+ pages, I tend not to read any of it.

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Fair enough, to both of you.

[Dipre]

Fair enough

 

You can see sincerity in my words.

 

You know 'tis the truth.

[Imperial59]

I find it extremely annoying to not be able to ever read something about the Sox without Jacko's constant "Sox suck because of......" chant

 

I agree with you on this. Jacko is the only Yankees poster I have an issue with. I don't think he gets just how annoying it would be if we went on to a Yankees forum and all we ever did was criticize the team. We'd probably get banned. It's pretty cool of the moderators to still allow Jacko to post here even though he comes up with a new "biggest weakness of the Red Sox" every few days and then calls anyone who disagrees with him a homer.

[Imperial59]

Absolutely. To be fair I agree with everything in your post. Over the long haul I expect him to improve' date=' especially under the tutelage of Kevin Long. The point I was trying to make throughout the entire thread, which may have been lost in all the drama, is that no matter how bad he may seem now, he's STILL an upgrade over Molina IMO. He can't hit to save his life. It's almost a disgrace that he gets the honorable distinction to have hit the last home run at the old Yankee Stadium. And the fact that he runs slower than a snail didn't help him at all either. I'm not a very fast guy, but I bet I could round all the bases and go from home to home before Molina even got to first.[/quote']

 

It's certainly possible that many points you made were lost in the drama. As I already said, when I see two posters going at each other over and over, I tend to skip the pages where they're arguing.

 

As for Molina, I was rather impressed with him. He didn't hit much last year, but he's an elite defensive catcher and I think it said a lot about his game calling abilities that Yankees starters were requesting him/much more comfortable with him as their personal catcher.

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You can see sincerity in my words.

 

You know 'tis the truth.

I do see sincerity in your words, I just hope I'm not being deceived <_>

[Dipre]

I do see sincerity in your words' date=' I just hope I'm not being deceived <_>

 

Sort through my posts.

 

I've had no other out-of-hand arguments with anyone else.

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It's certainly possible that many points you made were lost in the drama. As I already said, when I see two posters going at each other over and over, I tend to skip the pages where they're arguing.

 

As for Molina, I was rather impressed with him. He didn't hit much last year, but he's an elite defensive catcher and I think it said a lot about his game calling abilities that Yankees starters were requesting him/much more comfortable with him as their personal catcher.

To be fair it was really only Burnett who requested him, but everyone liked throwing to him. I have no problem with Molina as a defensive catcher, he's one of the absolute best in the game even though he's a backup. And he may arguably be the best throwing catcher in the game. You can't get much better than Molina behind the dish, but the dude just absolutely cannot hit. AT ALL. Not that we need a hitter for our backup catcher, because with our lineup we don't. Nor would I have minded Molina coming back. But with Cervelli's emergence the Yanks were clear that they were going to cut Molina loos and go with Franky. While he's a defensive downgrade, he's definitely a better hitter. But to be fair, every Yankee who worked with Cervelli last year during his first stint when Posada and Molina were both hurt at one point praised Cervelli for his game-calling ability. Especially Sabathia. Those two worked very well together and Cervelli caught like 4 of his starts in a row, even after Posada came back. So defensively, I have no concerns with Cervelli. He's not as good a thrower, or an overall defender as Molina, but he's a good game-caller. Even Piazza had very high praise for him when he was playing for Italy in the WBC. Now I know that doesn't mean much coming from Piazza, a very one-dimensional catcher, but it seems everywhere Cervelli goes people rave about him.

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Sort through my posts.

 

I've had no other out-of-hand arguments with anyone else.

Take it easy man I was just kidding, I know you were being sincere.

[Dipre]

Take it easy man I was just kidding' date=' I know you were being sincere.[/quote']

 

How can i?

 

Internet is serious business.

[Imperial59]

To be fair it was really only Burnett who requested him' date=' but everyone liked throwing to him. I have no problem with Molina as a defensive catcher, he's one of the absolute best in the game even though he's a backup. And he may arguably be the best throwing catcher in the game. You can't get much better than Molina behind the dish, but the dude just absolutely cannot hit. AT ALL. Not that we need a hitter for our backup catcher, because with our lineup we don't. Nor would I have minded Molina coming back. But with Cervelli's emergence the Yanks were clear that they were going to cut Molina loos and go with Franky. While he's a defensive downgrade, he's definitely a better hitter. But to be fair, every Yankee who worked with Cervelli last year during his first stint when Posada and Molina were both hurt at one point praised Cervelli for his game-calling ability. Especially Sabathia. Those two worked very well together and Cervelli caught like 4 of his starts in a row, even after Posada came back. So defensively, I have no concerns with Cervelli. He's not as good a thrower, or an overall defender as Molina, but he's a good game-caller. Even Piazza had very high praise for him when he was playing for Italy in the WBC. Now I know that doesn't mean much coming from Piazza, a very one-dimensional catcher, but it seems everywhere Cervelli goes people rave about him.[/quote']

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mussina have a strong preference for Molina in 2008? And he also caught 9 of Sabathia's 15 starts in the second half (Molina missed most of the first half). To me that says that either Molina was a great game caller or Posada is a poor one.

 

I could care less what pitchers say about how smart a catcher is. No pitcher is going to bad mouth their catcher. Actions speak louder than words. I care about who a pitcher throws to. If Yankees pitchers request Cervelli as their personal catcher, then I'll think he's a good game caller. If not... I'm going to trust their actions.

[Plumpamania]

Even Piazza had very high praise for him when he was playing for Italy in the WBC. Now I know that doesn't mean much coming from Piazza' date=' a very one-dimensional catcher, but it seems everywhere Cervelli goes people rave about him.[/quote']

 

Piazza was a great game caller and blocker, he had a horrific arm. Piazza was also 3X the hitter Posada is/was.

[a700hitter]

Bad news for Yankee fans. Jeter is going to take the plunge and get married.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view/20100111reds_sign_cuban_pitcher_aroldis_chapman/