Yankees 25 man roster for 2010

[diony]

 

I'd also like to see an example of a player who was deemed a backup in the minors then exploded upon reaching the Majors.

 

I wouldn't say he exploded, but look at Yadier Molina, which could be Cervelli's highest ceiling if everything goes ok.

[jacksonianmarch]

The point is that he was brought up to be a solid backup. That's what he is. Not many teams can claim to have a tandem like Posada/Cervelli' date=' but that doesn't mean he's starter material either.[/quote']

 

He isnt starter material in NY, that's for sure. But he would be in the question for the starting spot for a bunch of teams. Especially National League teams who put a bit more weight on run prevention than they do on run generation. Cervelli can hit for average in the future and he has a very good eye, at least his minor league numbers say he should. The thing with him is, he will never hit for big power. That's his limiting factor. Most people can say that a 22 yr old should generate more power as they age, but his swing is a slap hitters swing who will be more of a gap power guy than anything else. So I expect him IsoPower to be in the .05 to .08 range for his career since he will never hit more than 5 homers in a season even if he started 140 games. This is why he'll never fly in NY or in the ALE for that matter. He reminds me a bit of Jason Kendall. Defensive whiz who makes contact but doesnt hit for power.

[Dipre]

I wouldn't say he exploded' date=' but look at Yadier Molina, which could be Cervelli's highest ceiling if everything goes ok.[/quote']

 

This is, however, a valid point.

 

Cervelli definitely has the defense, but a lot of things would have to break right for that to happen.

 

My contention is that it's unrealistic to think that coaching and hanging around Jorge Posada will be the reason it happens, if it happens.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hanging around Posada wont magically take this kid's swing and turn it into a power hitter's swing.

[bsox0407]

How about this player as significant improvement from the Minors.

 

.305/ .369/ .487/ .857 MLB

 

.281/ .316/ .403/ .719 MiLB

[Dipre]

He isnt starter material in NY' date=' that's for sure. But he would be in the question for the starting spot for a bunch of teams. Especially National League teams who put a bit more weight on run prevention than they do on run generation. Cervelli can hit for average in the future and he has a very good eye, at least his minor league numbers say he should. The thing with him is, he will never hit for big power. That's his limiting factor. Most people can say that a 22 yr old should generate more power as they age, but his swing is a slap hitters swing who will be more of a gap power guy than anything else. So I expect him IsoPower to be in the .05 to .08 range for his career since he will never hit more than 5 homers in a season even if he started 140 games. This is why he'll never fly in NY or in the ALE for that matter. He reminds me a bit of Jason Kendall. Defensive whiz who makes contact but doesnt hit for power.[/quote']

 

The problem with the comparison to Kendall is that Kendall also had the speed component early in his career, and agree on power being his limiting factor, but the point stands, that withing the boundaries of reason, if everything breaks just right, and he winds up being a Yadier Molina type player, the coaching staff and hanging around Posada are almost certainly not the main factors towards said development.

[Dipre]

How about this player as significant improvement from the Minors.

 

.305/ .369/ .487/ .857 MLB

 

.281/ .316/ .403/ .719 MiLB

 

What's the player, and i bet i can find you a reason.

[bsox0407]

What's the player' date=' and i bet i can find you a reason.[/quote']

 

Mr. Mullet Brett.

[Dipre]

Mr. Mullet Brett.

 

George Brett.

 

His problem was OBP, he slugged over .400 with consistency in the Minors. Not only that, he was up in the Majors at age 21, so he finished his development in the Major Leagues, but this is not a guy who was ever projected to be a backup in the Majors.

[Plumpamania]

LOGIC DIPRE, STOP IT.

[bsox0407]

LOGIC DIPRE' date=' STOP IT.[/quote']

 

Calm down MR. 371 posts in 5 years.

 

 

But back to the point.

 

We are talking about players who did well in the majors and did poorly in the minors. Not talking about back ups.

[Dipre]

Calm down MR. 371 posts in 5 years.

 

 

But back to the point.

 

We are talking about players who did well in the majors and did poorly in the minors. Not talking about back ups.

 

Cervelli is a back-up. He was the main topic of conversations.

[bsox0407]

Cervelli is a back-up. He was the main topic of conversations.

 

He was the original topic which hence has moved on to players who didn't play well in the minors but did well in the majors.

 

 

But as I have said before Cervelli can learn from Posada to be a better catcher and other players to be a better hitter and the batting coach can help him. Could be Discipline or other things.

[Dipre]

He was the original topic which hence has moved on to players who didn't play well in the minors but did well in the majors.

 

 

But as I have said before Cervelli can learn from Posada to be a better catcher and other players to be a better hitter and the batting coach can help him. Could be Discipline or other things.

 

Yeah he won't learn discipline from Posada.

[bsox0407]

Yeah he won't learn discipline from Posada.

 

thats why i said others to.

[Dipre]

thats why i said others to.

 

Not from the others either.

[Spudboy]

This discussion is just idiotic.

 

The good thing I can say about it is that it has high jacked Jacko's thread!

[Dipre]

This discussion is just idiotic.

 

The good thing I can say about it is that it has high jacked Jacko's thread!

 

That was the main intent, for one. And for two, i don't know where bsox finds these left-field bound ideas.

[jacksonianmarch]

Let it get hijacked. It was going nowhere since the Yankees havent made any moves in a couple weeks

[bsox0407]

That was the main intent' date=' for one. And for two, i don't know where bsox finds these left-field bound ideas.[/quote']

 

Its called an opinion.

[Dipre]

Its called an opinion.

 

From left field, but in fact, still an opinion.

[bsox0407]

From left field' date=' but in fact, still an opinion.[/quote']

 

So is that LF in Fenway? :lol:

 

Cause then they are pretty close to normal. :lol:

[26 to 6]

That was the main intent' date=' for one. And for two, i don't know where bsox finds these left-field bound ideas.[/quote']

That was a very trollish statement, no?

 

Anyway, I don't get why we're still talking about this. Most of what we've all stated in this thread is our opinions, and for you to come and flat out state that our opinions are wrong isn't fair. So we should just agree to disagree on certain points because neither of us are going to change each others minds.

 

For instance, you don't think Posada is a smart catcher, I think he is. There's no way to prove it one way or the other.

 

You don't think Cervelli will improve offensively, I think the he might since most players don't reach their offensive peak at 24 years old. Again, agree to disagree.

 

You don't think that the presence of a very highly respected hitting coach like Kevin Long as well as veteran hitters like Posada, Jeter, etc. will have any influence on Cervelli's offensive development, I however think that is foolish. Either way I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine. So can we find something else to talk about? Either way, and maybe this statement is biased, but I'd rather have a 24 year old catcher with some upside as my backup than an aging dinosaur who can't hit a lick anymore.

[Imperial59]

Cervelli is 22 yrs old. He isnt done developing. He'll get better' date=' the question is by how much. And players can regress as they age too. I love Cervelli on this team. I think he gives us a legitimate backup solid D catcher who can hit and run a bit too. His defense plays well enough to start a la a Gerald Laird. But in NY, that will never fly[/quote']

 

No, he's not. He'll be 24 years old all of next year. Big difference in the development of a player.

[jacksonianmarch]

My bad, he was 23 yrs old. He will be 24 for 2010. One season isnt THAT big of a difference. He's under 25 and he has locked up a spot on a big league roster.

[riverside sluggers]

That was a very trollish statement, no?

 

Anyway, I don't get why we're still talking about this. Most of what we've all stated in this thread is our opinions, and for you to come and flat out state that our opinions are wrong isn't fair. So we should just agree to disagree on certain points because neither of us are going to change each others minds.

 

For instance, you don't think Posada is a smart catcher, I think he is. There's no way to prove it one way or the other.

 

You don't think Cervelli will improve offensively, I think the he might since most players don't reach their offensive peak at 24 years old. Again, agree to disagree.

 

You don't think that the presence of a very highly respected hitting coach like Kevin Long as well as veteran hitters like Posada, Jeter, etc. will have any influence on Cervelli's offensive development, I however think that is foolish. Either way I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine. So can we find something else to talk about? Either way, and maybe this statement is biased, but I'd rather have a 24 year old catcher with some upside as my backup than an aging dinosaur who can't hit a lick anymore.

 

Maybe this wouldve worked this past season when Varitek was starting.. but its not really a burn with V-Mart behind the plate for the bulk of the season

 

And as much as Tek's offense has declined, he will still be quite the upgrade over what Kottaras did for the Sox

 

43 games- 22 for 95 (.237 avg) 11 Doubles, 1 HR, 10 RBIs, 15 Runs, 11 Walks, 25 Ks

[Dipre]

That was a very trollish statement, no?

 

Anyway, I don't get why we're still talking about this. Most of what we've all stated in this thread is our opinions, and for you to come and flat out state that our opinions are wrong isn't fair. So we should just agree to disagree on certain points because neither of us are going to change each others minds.

 

For instance, you don't think Posada is a smart catcher, I think he is. There's no way to prove it one way or the other.

 

You don't think Cervelli will improve offensively, I think the he might since most players don't reach their offensive peak at 24 years old. Again, agree to disagree.

 

You don't think that the presence of a very highly respected hitting coach like Kevin Long as well as veteran hitters like Posada, Jeter, etc. will have any influence on Cervelli's offensive development, I however think that is foolish. Either way I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine. So can we find something else to talk about? Either way, and maybe this statement is biased, but I'd rather have a 24 year old catcher with some upside as my backup than an aging dinosaur who can't hit a lick anymore.

 

You guys can troll and hijack Red Sox threads, why can't i do the same for Yankee threads?

 

And no, i don't think the "very respected" hitting coach is going to help Cervelli in this instance. Neither is hanging out with Posada. Offensive development from a guy groomed as a backup catcher, who is now a backup catcher, and will play backup catcher time. Interesting. I would call it "wishful thinking". Try not to be high so much when you post. The butthurt over a backup catcher (because that's what he is) is absolutely hilarious.

 

Stranger things can happen, but it's like waiting for it to start raining pigs. And this isn't a comparison about backup catchers, unless you want to start a comparison about benches, which i would love to start. Also, Varitek had an .807 OPS vs. lefties last year, who can Cervelli put up an .800 OPS against?

[Dipre]

Maybe this wouldve worked this past season when Varitek was starting.. but its not really a burn with V-Mart behind the plate for the bulk of the season

 

And as much as Tek's offense has declined, he will still be quite the upgrade over what Kottaras did for the Sox

 

43 games- 22 for 95 (.237 avg) 11 Doubles, 1 HR, 10 RBIs, 15 Runs, 11 Walks, 25 Ks

 

.807 OPS vs lefties. .471 SLG%

[26 to 6]

You guys can troll and hijack Red Sox threads, why can't i do the same for Yankee threads?

 

And no, i don't think the "very respected" hitting coach is going to help Cervelli in this instance. Neither is hanging out with Posada. Offensive development from a guy groomed as a backup catcher, who is now a backup catcher, and will play backup catcher time. Interesting. I would call it "wishful thinking". Try not to be high so much when you post. The butthurt over a backup catcher (because that's what he is) is absolutely hilarious.

 

Stranger things can happen, but it's like waiting for it to start raining pigs. And this isn't a comparison about backup catchers, unless you want to start a comparison about benches, which i would love to start. Also, Varitek had an .807 OPS vs. lefties last year, who can Cervelli put up an .800 OPS against?

Butthurt? I'm fine with the backup catcher we have, and idk why it's been discussed so much. You guys are the one giving this discussion so much life.

 

And no it isn't alright for you to "troll" Yankee threads, just like it's not alright to troll Sox threads. Didn't we have a discussion about this like last week where we all vowed to check our behavior and cut back on the trolling. It appears the only one not doing that is you.

 

And you can doubt Long's reputation with your mockery quotations, but open your eyes. The results speak for themselves. Ask anyone around baseball, and most importantly ask the players he's worked with who have had only the highest praise in the world for the guy. What's your hitting coach doing right now? Probably sitting at home enjoying the rest of his offseason. Kevin Long however is out traveling to his players home's throughout the DR and Florida getting an early start on the season. Say what you want, I don't care. I don't even know why I waste any time responding to your posts. You're just a clown dude. All you're good for is making me laugh.

[Dipre]

Butthurt? I'm fine with the backup catcher we have, and idk why it's been discussed so much. You guys are the one giving this discussion so much life.

 

And no it isn't alright for you to "troll" Yankee threads, just like it's not alright to troll Sox threads. Didn't we have a discussion about this like last week where we all vowed to check our behavior and cut back on the trolling. It appears the only one not doing that is you.

 

And you can doubt Long's reputation with your mockery quotations, but open your eyes. The results speak for themselves. Ask anyone around baseball, and most importantly ask the players he's worked with who have had only the highest praise in the world for the guy. What's your hitting coach doing right now? Probably sitting at home enjoying the rest of his offseason. Kevin Long however is out traveling to his players home's throughout the DR and Florida getting an early start on the season. Say what you want, I don't care. I don't even know why I waste any time responding to your posts. You're just a clown dude. All you're good for is making me laugh.

 

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Leave Francisco Cervelli alone!!!!! With this coaching staff, he's the next Joe Mauer!!!!!