Hoyer: 'Comfort' dealing with Sox .

[NateGrey]

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Padres GM Jed Hoyer, who was the Assistant GM for the Red Sox until October, declined to speak directly about a deal involving power-hitting first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Nonetheless, in a conference call to introduce new Padres Assistant GM (and former Sox director of amateur scouting) Jason McLeod, Hoyer did acknowledge that the familiarity of the Padres' top two baseball operations executives would create a "level of comfort" in any potential transactions with the Sox.

 

 

 

 

 

“I’m obviously talking totally hypothetically. Any transaction involving the Red Sox, I think there is a level of comfort,” Hoyer said in a conference call. “Most of the players over there were drafted by Jason. For a large part of that, I was the assistant GM. Knowing the player’s background, knowing their personality, there’s a comfort level in that, and frankly, I guess, a lack of risk compared to some other transactions where you don’t have the same level of knowledge. Any transaction involving the Red Sox mentally feels more stable because you certainly know the players. Certainly, putting it in the context of Adrian, that’s just speculation, but it is true that we know those players very well.”

 

 

> http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/215448/padres-gm-hoyer-comfort-dealing-sox

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dipre]

Insta-boner reading that quote.

[BSN07]

It's the same reason a deal is less likely to get done. Theo isn't going to be able to fool him(unless he knew Hoyer would be up for a GM job and fed him BS all year LOL).

 

Hoyer knows who Theo covets and values and is less likely to trade. The only question is, is there enough after those coveted players to get a deal done? That is what the deal will hinge on IMO. If there is then a deal is probably very likely, and if not the talks will end very quickly.

[a700hitter]

It's the same reason a deal is less likely to get done. Theo isn't going to be able to fool him(unless he knew Hoyer would be up for a GM job and fed him BS all year LOL). Agreed. He's comfortable, because he knows the Red Sox prospects, and he'll be less likely to get fooled in a deal. This gives him a leg up over other GMs that are not as familiar.

[Gom]

As usual, Dipre is clueless.

 

Knowing your organization as well as he does, he knows the over-rated players as well as the diamonds-in-the-rough.

 

Whether a deal is made or not, it will definitely be more EXPENSIVE to deal with him.

[Dojji]

It's not like Theo and Hoyer agree on all points. It's entirely possible that there are players that they disagree on -- perhaps for example, Hoyer thinks more highly of Michael Bowden than Theo does. So Theo throws Bowden into the offer knowing Jed will appreciate that, and it brings down his price in other areas.

[Gom]

Dojji, of course. However, he's more likely to know the players than someone who wasn't in the organization.

[a700hitter]

It's not like Theo and Hoyer agree on all points. It's entirely possible that there are players that they disagree on -- perhaps for example' date=' Hoyer thinks more highly of Michael Bowden than Theo does. So Theo throws Bowden into the offer knowing Jed will appreciate that, and it brings down his price in other areas.[/quote']If your opponent in a negotiation has a lot of knowledge about your organization, it gives him an advantage.

[Gom]

OF course. Hoyer is in the much stronger position. He knows the Red Sox players better than Theo knows the Padres players.

 

Of course...Theo only wants ONE player...LOL!

[example1]

I see no reason to believe that this would prevent a deal or increase the likleyhood of a deal.

 

If Hoyer can get the guys he wants then a deal is likely, if not it isn't. Hoyer may have his own favorites that aren't even recognized as favorites outside of the system and, thus, hold little trade power elsewhere. Perhaps he really likes Che Hsuan Lin instead of Ryan Kalish, or Stolmy Pimentel instead of Michael Bowden.

 

I think there's a chance Hoyer can get more from Theo than Theo would ideally give up, but that doesn't mean (to me at least) that Theo would suddenly be out of trade chips to use in a deal elsewhere. If Hoyer's "inside knowledge" has him disliking someone that the rest of the league views as valuable, that seems all the more beneficial to Theo. Suddenly there are a lot of players who are "in play" in terms of dealing that wouldn't be if Towers or Ricciardi were on the other end of the phone.

[a700hitter]

I see no reason to believe that this would prevent a deal or increase the likleyhood of a deal.

 

If Hoyer can get the guys he wants then a deal is likely, if not it isn't. Hoyer may have his own favorites that aren't even recognized as favorites outside of the system and, thus, hold little trade power elsewhere. Perhaps he really likes Che Hsuan Lin instead of Ryan Kalish, or Stolmy Pimentel instead of Michael Bowden.

 

I think there's a chance Hoyer can get more from Theo than Theo would ideally give up, but that doesn't mean (to me at least) that Theo would suddenly be out of trade chips to use in a deal elsewhere. If Hoyer's "inside knowledge" has him disliking someone that the rest of the league views as valuable, that seems all the more beneficial to Theo. Suddenly there are a lot of players who are "in play" in terms of dealing that wouldn't be if Towers or Ricciardi were on the other end of the phone.

^ He's in a better position than other GM's to make Theo pay more than he would like. Hoyer taking the SD GM spot is not a good development for the Sox in their efforts to get Gonzalez.

[Dipre]

As usual, Dipre is clueless.

 

Knowing your organization as well as he does, he knows the over-rated players as well as the diamonds-in-the-rough.

 

Whether a deal is made or not, it will definitely be more EXPENSIVE to deal with him.

 

Do you even know why i said that?

 

You, as usual, are running your mouth but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

You're an idiot.

[Gom]

Every single person in this thread disagrees with you...but I'm the idiot.

 

Explain, o clueless one...

[Dipre]

Every single person in this thread disagrees with you...but I'm the idiot.

 

Explain, o clueless one...

 

Simple.

 

Did you see me say "Well we're getting A-Gon now!!!111!!"

 

No. As usual, you're making s*** up.

 

My "Insta-boner" phrase came from the fact that Hoyer did not once state that he wasn't interested in trading Adrian Gonzales at the time, but, as usual, since you have no original thought you want to make it "seem" like you do by bashing other's opinions, although in this case, there was no opinion to bash, you tried to read 100 pages into a 1-page pamphlet.

 

I'd suggest this, how about toning down the stupidity factor and creating some original thoughts instead of attacking other peoples' posts and making s*** up.

 

Btw, i don't care how you respond to this, since you're "Interpretation" of my previous one-liner is an everlasting testament to your idiocy.

[BSN07]

I really think all this could mean is that if there was to be a trade, we may just be more surprised at some of the names heading back to the Padres.

[Gom]

You are too funny. Where did you ever get the idea that they wouldn't trade him? Eventually they will. In what way did I make anything up? Why is it that everyone else in this thread read it the same way that I did?

 

Why would a GM EVER say he wasn't interested in trading ANY player? How does it hurt to listen? How does it hurt to not get other teams involved in a bidding war. You think the Mets wouldn't be interested? The Angels [moving Morales to DH]? Pretty much every team..including the Yankees would be involved. The only teams not involved would be the Cardinals. Every AL team would be in there, as well as every NL team. Why wouldn't he listen? Clueless. Completely clueless.

 

True stupidity. Really. Honestly. You have no clue.

 

Did that Insta-boner shrivel up yet?

 

I f***ing love it!!!

 

I f***ing love it. I really do. You've supplanted Jacko as my favorite whipping boy. At least he makes sense and adds some intelligence and research to the board. You lie, make s*** up, and prance around like you know something when you have no clue.

[Dipre]

The only really interesting thing about the quote is the fact that Hoyer doesn't sound absolutely adamant against trading Gonzales or anyone else.

[Gom]

The only really interesting thing about the quote is the fact that Hoyer doesn't sound absolutely adamant against trading Gonzales or anyone else.

 

Why would he be? He has a weak farm system, and the worst team in the west, and his best pitcher was traded last year. He can revamp his team, and unlike Felix, I don't see the Padres turning this around quickly.

[Spudboy]

I really think all this could mean is that if there was to be a trade' date=' we may just be more surprised at some of the names heading back to the Padres.[/quote']

 

Yeah, that's my take on it.

 

I don't think that Hoyer being the new S.D. G.M. enhances the Sox chances in any substantial way. But I do think that the familiarity between the two may make the dealings more straightforward.

 

Also, I believe Adrien Gonzalez can be had.

[BSN07]

The only really interesting thing about the quote is the fact that Hoyer doesn't sound absolutely adamant against trading Gonzales or anyone else.

 

Why would he be? He has a weak farm system' date=' and the worst team in the west, and his best pitcher was traded last year. He can revamp his team, and unlike Felix, I don't see the Padres turning this around quickly.[/quote']

 

I think you guys agree but just can't see past each other to realize it LOL