Sox sign Scutaro .

[BSN07]

Apparently you can't read.

 

Unlike you, I don't need to have someone ball-wash me and stick to my team's forums for a little mental masturbation. I like to go to the heart of the enemy and stick a knife in it.

 

Was that good enough for you?

 

The day you agree with me, is the day I know I've lost it. Funny how you changed your tune real quick on the forum as opposed to IMs. Go away...go beat your girl and wear too much cologne, or whatever you do.

 

Actually I think you come here because it's cheaper then paying some dominatrix to ball and gag you and call you bitch while she drives her high heel boot into your nuts. But that's just my take on things

[Dipre]

Back to Scutaro.

 

Offensively, his average season comprises a .265/.337/.384 line for a .721 OPS., offensively, this would be solid for the 6 position, but my point is, since he's never been anything special defensively, is nobody else scared of age-related decline to his defense seeing as the sample size at SS is not big enough to establish a career curve or a specific estimation?

 

I have been openly ridiculed here for suggesting Tejada as a stopgap option at SS, however, even though his 2009 was awful defensively, he posted a 9.4 UZR/150 and 4.0 RF/G as soon as 2008, which might suggest, given an actual improvement on his RF/G (4.4) that this was nothing more than a fluke? Just as perhaps Scutaro's 2009 season was also a fluke?

 

This is not a Scutaro-bashing attempt, but an honest question. I would like to know what others think.

[Gom]

Actually I think you come here because it's cheaper then paying some dominatrix to ball and gag you and call you bitch while she drives her high heel boot into your nuts. But that's just my take on things

 

Don't knock it till you try it. At least I use a woman for it. Your dominatrix is male.

Back to Scutaro.

 

Offensively, his average season comprises a .265/.337/.384 line for a .721 OPS., offensively, this would be solid for the 6 position, but my point is, since he's never been anything special defensively, is nobody else scared of age-related decline to his defense seeing as the sample size at SS is not big enough to establish a career curve or a specific estimation?

 

I have been openly ridiculed here for suggesting Tejada as a stopgap option at SS, however, even though his 2009 was awful defensively, he posted a 9.4 UZR/150 and 4.0 RF/G as soon as 2008, which might suggest, given an actual improvement on his RF/G (4.4) that this was nothing more than a fluke? Just as perhaps Scutaro's 2009 season was also a fluke?

 

This is not a Scutaro-bashing attempt, but an honest question. I would like to know what others think.

 

What other options did you have, Dipre? Seriously? You got him for cheap, if he gives you that...well...you overpaid, but not terribly.

[Dipre]

What other options did you have' date=' Dipre? Seriously? You got him for cheap, if he gives you that...well...you overpaid, but not terribly.[/quote']

 

I asked for constructed opinions, not pathetic one-liners.

[bsox0407]

Don't knock it till you try it. At least I use a woman for it. Your dominatrix is male.

 

That is the worst comeback in the history of the world. I know five year olds who have done better. You are the one who needs porn to get you through your life. Wait what was that site..........Oh yeah youporn.com. :lol::lol::lol:

[italstallianion]

Odds that Gom is watching youporn right now?

[bsox0407]

Odds that Gom is watching youporn right now?

 

I will take those odds.

[Gom]

I asked for constructed opinions' date=' not pathetic one-liners.[/quote']

 

I wasn't kidding.

 

He was cheap.

 

He's versatile. You could go get Hanley and Scutaro plays everywhere. Hell, he can take third base from Lowell.

 

You didn't have many options at short.

 

What options did you really have?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Don't knock it till you try it. At least I use a woman for it. Your dominatrix is male.

 

 

What other options did you have, Dipre? Seriously? You got him for cheap, if he gives you that...well...you overpaid, but not terribly.

Pissing away a first rounder for a 34 year old mediocre infielder isn't terribly overpaying?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I follow my eyes over most defensive matrices. Absolutely. Why?

 

Not because I believe that I'm God's gift to baseball analysis, or view myself as some super scout. Simply because I do not believe that defensive matrices and formulas have evolved to the point of accepting them within an acceptable deviation of error. That's why.

 

Any defensive matrix that lists Tex as a below average defensive firstbaseman is a faulty matrix. All of a sudden, Jeter gets an Gold Glove firstbaseman, and he has a fantastic, nearly miraculous turnaround defensively. Cano is a below average defensive secondbaseman? Not from what I saw.

 

So...until the day comes that defensive matrices work out the kinks and become more "accurate", I don't trust them.

 

Why are they faulty? What makes it so that your completely baseless opinions gained by WATCHIN TEH GAEMZZZ have the authority of fact, while STATS (EVIDENCE) that reflect otherwise are dismissively labeled foolish and inaccurate? Please enlighten me on this.

[example1]

Pissing away a first rounder for a 34 year old mediocre infielder isn't terribly overpaying?

 

I think you're overblowing the pick thing.

 

They only lose a first round pick for Scutaro if they don't sign a better type A FA. If they knew they were going to do that then it makes sense to not worry about that pick.

 

At the same time, signing Scutaro helps them to not have to worry about SS--even if they pursue other SS. It was important that they solidify a SS option as quickly as possible so it isn't used as a negotiation tool against the FO (if only lesser options were available).

 

It sounds like Scutaro wanted to come to Boston and took a reasonable contract. Two years with an option offers the Sox great flexibility and doesn't hinder them in the slightest.

 

Other than the pick, in other words, it seems like a no brainer. If they know they're going after other type-A FAs (like Holliday or Mike Gonzalez or Rafael Soriano, say) then it is totally a no brainer.

[kreinbihl34]

Back to Scutaro.

 

Offensively, his average season comprises a .265/.337/.384 line for a .721 OPS., offensively, this would be solid for the 6 position, but my point is, since he's never been anything special defensively, is nobody else scared of age-related decline to his defense seeing as the sample size at SS is not big enough to establish a career curve or a specific estimation?

 

I have been openly ridiculed here for suggesting Tejada as a stopgap option at SS, however, even though his 2009 was awful defensively, he posted a 9.4 UZR/150 and 4.0 RF/G as soon as 2008, which might suggest, given an actual improvement on his RF/G (4.4) that this was nothing more than a fluke? Just as perhaps Scutaro's 2009 season was also a fluke?

 

This is not a Scutaro-bashing attempt, but an honest question. I would like to know what others think.

 

IMO it's been pretty known for a few years that Tejada's defense has been questionable and it's been a certain for him to make a move to 3B or 1B. I'm not a big fan of UZR/150 for infielders, it seems to be almost broken. It has a lot of adjustments and I think some of them might be actually helping out players. One of these factors is an adjustment for the park. This is needed for OF, but not for IF. I've done some research and can't find exact;y if the analysts take out this factor for IF. A few of my friends have talked about how it's almost useless.

 

Does anyone know if they exclude Park Factors for an IF's UZR/150?

[Dipre]

IMO it's been pretty known for a few years that Tejada's defense has been questionable and it's been a certain for him to make a move to 3B or 1B. I'm not a big fan of UZR/150 for infielders, it seems to be almost broken. It has a lot of adjustments and I think some of them might be actually helping out players. One of these factors is an adjustment for the park. This is needed for OF, but not for IF. I've done some research and can't find exact;y if the analysts take out this factor for IF. A few of my friends have talked about how it's almost useless.

 

Does anyone know if they exclude Park Factors for an IF's UZR/150?

 

UZR Park Factors.

 

A couple paragraphs down.

[kreinbihl34]

UZR Park Factors.

 

A couple paragraphs down.

 

Thanks.

 

I've searched on the subject a little more, but still don't really like the park factor included for IF. By the graph you gave me Tejada would be credited with more than an out, everytime he recorded an out.

 

Also I've read that UZR gives SS a +10 bonus, anyone else heard of this?

[Dipre]

Thanks.

 

I've searched on the subject a little more, but still don't really like the park factor included for IF. By the graph you gave me Tejada would be credited with more than an out, everytime he recorded an out.

 

Also I've read that UZR gives SS a +10 bonus, anyone else heard of this?

 

Positional value.

 

That's why i always couple UZR with RF/G

[kreinbihl34]

Positional value.

 

That's why i always couple UZR with RF/G

 

Yeah, but for maybe me not studying the information well, I don't understand. The SS position is a harder position to play, but yet I don't agree with the bonus.

I've looked through UZR, RZR and PMR, and the one I prefer is PMR. It's hard to find information on it though.s

[Dipre]

Yeah, but for maybe me not studying the information well, I don't understand. The SS position is a harder position to play, but yet I don't agree with the bonus.

I've looked through UZR, RZR and PMR, and the one I prefer is PMR. It's hard to find information on it though.s

 

I like UZR combined with RF for the following reason: If you have a positive rating and an above average RF you've got a good fielder over 90% of the time.

 

Look at Tex.

 

He had a negative UZR, combine it with RF though (which was very much above average) and you come to the conclusion that he was, indeed, above average, but not by a lot.

[kreinbihl34]

Also, and I'm not trying to criticize you, but I hate RF/G. I'm sure you already know the criticisms of the argument. That's why I'm only luke warm on OBP as well.

 

Edit:

 

What i'm trying to get across is the possibility that Tejada's home park, combined with his RF/g (also Kaz Matsui's postive RF/G) probably means he was lucky.

[Gom]

Why are they faulty? What makes it so that your completely baseless opinions gained by WATCHIN TEH GAEMZZZ have the authority of fact' date=' while STATS (EVIDENCE) that reflect otherwise are dismissively labeled foolish and inaccurate? Please enlighten me on this.[/quote']

 

Let's look at the Yankees only.

 

According to UZR/150:

 

Tex: Bad fielder [-4.1]

Cano: Bad Fielder [-5.2]

Jeter: Outstanding fielder [8.4]

Rodriguez: Terrible fielder [-11.7]

 

Damon: Terrible fielder [-12.1]

Cabrera: Below average [-2.3]

Swisher: Below average [-1.7]

 

Lets see...I agree with...two. Swisher is below average, and Damon is horrendous.

 

Tex a bad fielder? Are you serious? Him and AG are probably the two best fielding firstbasemen in baseball.

 

Cano is a bad fielder? He has good range, a solid arm, and probably the best in baseball at turning the double play.

 

Jeter is an above average shortstop. Gold Glover? I didn't think so, and most here didn't either.

 

Arod was as bad at third as Damon was at Left? On what planet? Even with his limited range when he came back early, he wasn't anywhere near as bad.

 

Melky is an average CFer. I don't think he's below average...and he's a much better CF than Swisher is a RFer.

 

So when I see a formula that is so blatantly wrong on obvious choices, and is wrong more often than right...I discount it. It's useless.

 

Try watching the game rather than just googling it. "Watch the gamezz" does count for something when the formula is useless.

[Dipre]

Also' date=' and I'm not trying to criticize you, but I hate RF/G. I'm sure you already know the criticisms of the argument. That's why I'm only luke warm on OBP as well.[/quote']

 

Yup.

 

I'm big on OBP, and i'm big on RF/G too. But it's much better when combined with UZR.

[yankees228]

I only have a real issue with Teixeira and Cano.

 

EDIT: at Gom

[yankees228]

Yup.

 

I'm big on OBP, and i'm big on RF/G too. But it's much better when combined with UZR.

 

Excuse my ignorance, but what are the criticisms of RF/G and OBP?

[kreinbihl34]

Yup.

 

I'm big on OBP, and i'm big on RF/G too. But it's much better when combined with UZR.

 

Fair enough.

 

I'm not going to criticize anyone on the metrics they prefer, as all have ups and downs.

 

But the one thing I will leave you with one thing.

Tejada has had higher RF/G every year than 08 yet that was only his second year, excluding the 0.1, posting a positive UZR/150.

[Dipre]

Fair enough.

 

I'm not going to criticize anyone on the metrics they prefer, as all have ups and downs.

 

But the one thing I will leave you with one thing.

Tejada has had higher RF/G every year than 08 yet that was only his second year, excluding the 0.1, posting a positive UZR/150.

 

Minute Maid Park, however, had a lot to do with that.

 

It sheds light on how atrocious his 2009 really is though.

[Gom]

There is another difference with me too.

 

I actually SEE a lot of games live. About 50 a year. It's tough to get a read on TV. At the stadium, it's different. You instantly see the jump players get, and can determine range better. Conversely, at the stadium, you can't see the pitches as well as you can on TV.

[kreinbihl34]

Minute Maid Park, however, had a lot to do with that.

 

It sheds light on how atrocious his 2009 really is though.

 

Agree and is why I prefer Scutaro over him. I would like an amazing defensive SS, but with a decent bat. That wasn't a possibility. So there were two moves, IMO, that seemed poised to happen: the signing of Scutaro or Petey being moved.

[Dipre]

Agree and is why I prefer Scutaro over him. I would like an amazing defensive SS' date=' but with a decent bat. That wasn't possibly there were two moves, IMO, that seemed poised to happen: the signing of Scutaro or Petey being moved.[/quote']

 

I don't think Scutaro is an amazing defensive player. That's the problem.

 

Adam Everett is an amazing defensive player, and he was also a choice of mine.

[kreinbihl34]

I don't think Scutaro is an amazing defensive player. That's the problem.

 

Adam Everett is an amazing defensive player, and he was also a choice of mine.

 

You actually read my mind as who I want as the utility player.

The only downfall is the lack of pop.

[Dipre]

You actually read my mind as who I want as the utility player.

The only downfall is the lack of pop.

 

But he can catch a baseball like nobody's business.

 

And he's not as ugly as Jack Wilson to boot.

[kreinbihl34]

But he can catch a baseball like nobody's business.

 

And he's not as ugly as Jack Wilson to boot.

 

Agreed do you think he signs on for two years and 2M?