Related note to W.S. celebration

[ORS]

You don't think that the Yankees winning is the reason why they're more popular than the Mets?

Was there some ambiguity to what I posted?

[yankees228]

Was there some ambiguity to what I posted?

 

Just looking for a clarification. It is completely about who is winning, in my opinion. It's not like the Yankees were always drawing more. When they were a poor team in the late 80s and early 90s, the Mets were significantly more popular in New York. The late 90s completely changed baseball in this city.

[ORS]

The cubbies forge their legacy as lovable losers.

Weren't you apply this same tag to the Mets a couple of days ago, or something similar? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

[ORS]

Just looking for a clarification. It is completely about who is winning' date=' in my opinion. It's not like the Yankees were always drawing more. When they were a poor team in the late 80s and early 90s, the Mets were significantly more popular in New York. The late 90s completely changed baseball in this city.[/quote']

You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it in any way accurate. For example, despite your proclamations that the management staff has done so much to "earn" the advantage of supreme revenue hogs at the NY trough, the reality is, even at the height of the Mets popularity (1990), they (the Mets) still brought in 20% less revenue than the Yankees. They operate from an advantaged position that has nothing to do with their abilities as businessmen.

[yankees228]

You are entitled to your opinion' date=' but that doesn't make it in any way accurate. For example, despite your proclamations that the management staff has done so much to "earn" the advantage of supreme revenue hogs at the NY trough, the reality is, even at the height of the Mets popularity (1990), they (the Mets) still brought in 20% less revenue than the Yankees. They operate from an advantaged position that has nothing to do with their abilities as businessmen.[/quote']

 

That's interesting. Do you have a source? Was the same true in the 60s?

[ORS]

I looked it up when I was at work, and I didn't save the link. The information is out there if you are willing to look for it rather than making your case on your opinion alone.

[yankees228]

I looked it up when I was at work' date=' and I didn't save the link. The information is out there if you are willing to look for it rather than making your case on your opinion alone.[/quote']

 

The underhanded insult is unnecessary, simply because there wasn't a hint of that in my posts. Regardless, asking you to cite your sources is hardly unfair.

 

Anyway, I will try to find it.

[ORS]

It's not an insult. You based your argument on your opinion, an incorrect opinion. This is fact. If you don't like this fact and feel insulted by it, then a modification of your analytical methods is probably a good idea.

[yankees228]

Well, you are right that my argument is based on opinion, which was driven by my personal experiences. Regardless, the Yankees, according to your research, seem to always have the upper hand.

 

Also, I wasn't insulted. I just felt that your response to a completely reasonable question (the source of your information) was laced with an underhanded insult. If I'm wrong, then I apologize.

 

I do have one more question though. Do you think that the Yankees success in the mid to late 90s significantly widened the popularity gap between the two teams?

[example1]

With team-owned networks a number of teams are doing very well for themselves. The Yankees have taken full advantage of their media market, and for that they deserve credit.

 

I actually think that the Yankees needed to initially get lucky to win the amount they have over the past 15 years or so. They were able to build around some very important pieces that may not have landed there otherwise. Jeter and Rivera in particular. They have two essentially home-grown HOF players, arguably two of the best players at their positions of all time. Jeter would be in the conversation about best SS of all time. Rivera would be, hands down, the best reliever of all time.

 

They added some great FAs to stay competitive over the years and eventually added A-Rod and CC and Teixeira. Now they're building around these guys and that should extend their competitiveness beyond Jeter and Rivera's careers. It really has been impressive, but beyond Jeter and Rivera it really has been buying a competitive team.

 

It is completely in the Yankees financial interest to stay at least playoff-relevant year after year. I bet the cost in FAs pales in comparison to what they make by getting to the playoffs as the favorite every year.

[CT Sox]

I’m new to this site. This is my first post and well be my last. I just can’t take the posts crying about the Yankees 2009 WS championship. Bought the WS? Give me a break. That’s what they do, they have the highest revenue. They make a ton of dough. What do you suggest the Yankees do? Stick the $$ in their pocket? If I were a fan I would be trilled that they spend the $$ on top talent. We can too. I suggest as Sox fans we get real and focus on what our needs are and compete. There is no reason we can’t compete with the Yankees and the rest of the league. Championships are won with talent, desire, and luck. Check the playoff teams over the past 20 years. There are examples of low, mid and high payroll (including our Sox) teams. What made 2004 so great was the Sox determination and resiliency. I want that back.

 

The Good – Starting pitching (Wake is signed for 2010-2011 so he will be in the back of the rotation). Bullpen and a solid core of position players with Ellsbury, Pedroia, Youk, Drew and Victor Martinez.

 

The Bad – Tek is killing us by taking 1/25 of the roster. Sure every team has two catchers I would just like mine to kill us in only one area. Tek kills us buy combining terrible hitting with poor throwing. A deadly combo.

 

The Ugly – We are stuck with Lowell and Ortiz. Lowell can hit but is a liability at 3rd. Ortiz is done and since he can’t possibly play a position, that’s another dead roster spot.

 

Opportunity – Rather then whine about the Yankees payroll why not add to ours. We have all the financial resources we need to sign a left fielder. We need to do something at 1b or 3b and then Lowell can be a productive DH and Ortiz can grab some pine next to Tek and wait for a pinch running opportunity. (what a waste of valuable roster spots). There is starting pitching available for the taking and though the Mets certainly have needs and have the $$, the pieces the Sox need for 2010 are available and for $$ we can well afford.

[Dipre]

I’m new to this site. This is my first post and well be my last. I just can’t take the posts crying about the Yankees 2009 WS championship. Bought the WS? Give me a break. That’s what they do, they have the highest revenue. They make a ton of dough. What do you suggest the Yankees do? Stick the $$ in their pocket? If I were a fan I would be trilled that they spend the $$ on top talent. We can too. I suggest as Sox fans we get real and focus on what our needs are and compete. There is no reason we can’t compete with the Yankees and the rest of the league. Championships are won with talent, desire, and luck. Check the playoff teams over the past 20 years. There are examples of low, mid and high payroll (including our Sox) teams. What made 2004 so great was the Sox determination and resiliency. I want that back.

 

The Good – Starting pitching (Wake is signed for 2010-2011 so he will be in the back of the rotation). Bullpen and a solid core of position players with Ellsbury, Pedroia, Youk, Drew and Victor Martinez.

 

The Bad – Tek is killing us by taking 1/25 of the roster. Sure every team has two catchers I would just like mine to kill us in only one area. Tek kills us buy combining terrible hitting with poor throwing. A deadly combo.

 

The Ugly – We are stuck with Lowell and Ortiz. Lowell can hit but is a liability at 3rd. Ortiz is done and since he can’t possibly play a position, that’s another dead roster spot.

 

Opportunity – Rather then whine about the Yankees payroll why not add to ours. We have all the financial resources we need to sign a left fielder. We need to do something at 1b or 3b and then Lowell can be a productive DH and Ortiz can grab some pine next to Tek and wait for a pinch running opportunity. (what a waste of valuable roster spots). There is starting pitching available for the taking and though the Mets certainly have needs and have the $$, the pieces the Sox need for 2010 are available and for $$ we can well afford.

 

It should be your last post.

 

Even Yankee fans admit they're taking advantage of a broken system buying superstars like it's running out of style.

 

So how about you shut your mouth, know your role, and think thoroughly before you post a steaming pile of s*** disguised as a post.

[CT Sox]

Dipre, thanks for your insightful response. It is exactly what I expected from you. Classic fourth grade bully stuff you could never get away with outside the internet. Clearly you know your role. Asa for your advise to think first before posting, you provide a great example.

[Dipre]

Dipre' date=' thanks for your insightful response. It is exactly what I expected from you. Classic fourth grade bully stuff you could never get away with outside the internet. Clearly you know your role. Asa for your advise to think first before posting, you provide a great example.[/quote']

 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulence:

 

Call it.

 

Who the f*** are you anyway?

 

You don't even introduce yourself, yet come here running your mouth about how everyone's "Whining".

 

What'd you expect, a bouquet of flowers and some chocolates?

 

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, douchebag.

[26 to 6]

LOL

 

Dipre you crack me up bro.

 

His post was insightful and well though out. I don't understand how you could attack his attitude towards the whole thing, he wants the Sox to go out and address their needs and compete. Wouldn't you want the same or do you just want the championship handed to you? Oh, and the Yankees don't take advantage, they play within the rules my friend. You just need to get over it already, the Yankees won, plain and simple. It's ok to be upset or displeased, but you don't have to cry about it the entire offseason. Lets focus on Licey winning a championship and worry about the Yanks and Sawx next season. The constant bitching, moaning, and bullying aren't helping your image.

[Dipre]

LOL

 

Dipre you crack me up bro.

 

His post was insightful and well though out. I don't understand how you could attack his attitude towards the whole thing, he wants the Sox to go out and address their needs and compete. Wouldn't you want the same or do you just want the championship handed to you? Oh, and the Yankees don't take advantage, they play within the rules my friend. You just need to get over it already, the Yankees won, plain and simple. It's ok to be upset or displeased, but you don't have to cry about it the entire offseason. Lets focus on Licey winning a championship and worry about the Yanks and Sawx next season. The constant bitching, moaning, and bullying aren't helping your image.

 

Of course it's insightful and well thought to you.

 

You're the captain of the "we can spend all the money we want brigade".

 

And seeing as you're the resident Yankee troll, i'm surprised you're even talking about images.

 

I suggest you begin reading Y228's posts. See if you can learn something.

[26 to 6]

Whatever you say pal. Just do us all a favor and stop crying. It's painful when a grown man can't stop crying.

 

Idk how you can think otherwise about his post with the exception of the part where voiced his displeasure in everybody whining about the Yankees winning. Everything aside from that was pretty dead on, wouldn't you agree?

[Dipre]

Whatever you say pal. Just do us all a favor and stop crying. It's painful when a grown man can't stop crying.

 

There's a difference between "crying" and "stating the facts".

 

"Crying" is what i do every time i read one of your posts.

 

"Stating the facts" is what i do when having exchanges with intelligent posters like Gom or Y228.

 

If you want me to stop "Crying", for once in your life, make a post worth reading, Jesus Christ.

 

Oh, and nice edit.

[26 to 6]

No, crying is what you've been doing since Teixeira caught the ball that registered out #27 in Game 6 of the World Series.......call it what you want but to everybody else it just looks like a sad, jealous person who can't stop bitching and crying. Get over it, you continuing to cry about it isn't going to change anything.

 

I made the edit because I feel bad for the dude who just joined here and after his first post gets attacked by you. I imagine you suffer from LMS and a ton of insecurity because you're always here attacking and insulting people like it's your job, just to make you feel better about yourself I suppose? Idk why you always have to stir s*** up when someone has a differing viewpoint than yours, you can't just act your age and agree to disagree? Not everybody in life is going to agree with everything the almighty Dipre has to say. How you've managed to not get banned yet is beyond me (I know my fuse wouldn't have been nearly as long as yours has been).

[Dipre]

No, crying is what you've been doing since Teixeira caught the ball that registered out #27 in Game 6 of the World Series.......call it what you want but to everybody else it just looks like a sad, jealous person who can't stop bitching and crying. Get over it, you continuing to cry about it isn't going to change anything.

 

I made the edit because I feel bad for the dude who just joined here and after his first post gets attacked by you. I imagine you suffer from LMS and a ton of insecurity because you're always here attacking and insulting people like it's your job, just to make you feel better about yourself I suppose? Idk why you always have to stir s*** up when someone has a differing viewpoint than yours, you can't just act your age and agree to disagree? Not everybody in life is going to agree with everything the almighty Dipre has to say. How you've managed to not get banned yet is beyond me (I know my fuse wouldn't have been nearly as long as yours has been).

 

"You felt bad".

 

Hilarious.

 

You don't come into a new place and run your mouth like that.

 

We've been having an interesting discussion about the economics of the game, i've always said was "bought" but legit, no one here was whining, it's won and it is what it is.

 

You, like that douchebag, however, have insisted on calling people who discuss in this thread "whiners".

 

Well newsflash:

 

A) This is a Red Sox forum.

 

B ) The only whiner is the one who can't defend his points with logic but by calling names like "whiner".

 

C) You have, unlike Gom, Jacko and Y228, brought absolutely nothing to the discussion. So if there's someone who shouldn't be running his mouth, it's you.

[26 to 6]

"You felt bad".

 

Hilarious.

 

You don't come into a new place and run your mouth like that.

 

We've been having an interesting discussion about the economics of the game, i've always said was "bought" but legit, no one here was whining, it's won and it is what it is.

 

You, like that douchebag, however, have insisted on calling people who discuss in this thread "whiners".

 

Well newsflash:

 

A) This is a Red Sox forum.

 

B ) The only whiner is the one who can't defend his points with logic but by calling names like "whiner".

 

C) You have, unlike Gom, Jacko and Y228, brought absolutely nothing to the discussion. So if there's someone who shouldn't be running his mouth, it's you.

LOL

 

I only insist on calling people who whine whiners. What's your excuse? You've engaged in name-calling and insults more than anyone, why is that excused? As for the new guy, he wasn't running his mouth, he didn't make a personal attack towards anybody, he simply displayed a good competitive attitude and stated that rather than bitch about it like some people, the Sox need to just move on and look towards next season. Complaining about the Yankees spending habits isn't going to change anything, the best thing the Sox and their fans could do is look towards next year my friend. As for me being unable to defend my points, I haven't tried to because I'm not trying to make any points, I made my point long ago. I'm staying out of these ridiculous discussions where all you do is spout insults and bitch and moan like a woman on the rag. What exactly have you brought to this conversation besides a piss-poor attitude and more tears than a than an infant?

 

Maybe people would have more respect for you and better be able to engage in discussion with you if every other sentence wasn't an insult. Rather than engage in an intelligent conversation explaining your points you just tell everybody how you feel, and then attack those who don't agree with you. Grow the f*** up dude. I've got nothing else to say on the matter aside from QUIT YOUR f***ING BITCHING. And chill with the insults and name-calling, we're not 6 years old here.

 

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