Related note to W.S. celebration

[Dipre]

Well' date=' they led the AL. When you laugh at the entire post, you're essentially disregarding his main point, which is a relevant one.[/quote']

 

Alfredo Aceves was a pickup from a Mexican league team, Hideki Matsui is not a Yankees homegrown player.

 

Re-do the math now.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wait, so Aceves didnt have to come through the NY farm system?

 

Matsui is a debatable one, but in their defense, they are counting DiceK to be a homegrown player too

[Dipre]

Wait, so Aceves didnt have to come through the NY farm system?

 

Matsui is a debatable one, but in their defense, they are counting DiceK to be a homegrown player too

 

Then they shouldn't.

 

And Aceves played several years as a professional before reaching the Yanks.

 

You know he doesn't apply.

 

My problem with this is you read the post (article?), you knew who does and doesn't apply, yet still used it as a fact.

[yankees228]

Alfredo Aceves was a pickup from a Mexican league team, Hideki Matsui is not a Yankees homegrown player.

 

Re-do the math now.

 

OK, well, that's a bad job by the source Jacko posted. But, that still leaves the Yankees with a high percentage of home grown players, relative to the other teams in the league. While Jacko's facts are wrong, his main point still has merit.

[Dipre]

OK' date=' well, that's a bad job by the source Jacko posted. But, that still leaves the Yankees with a high percentage of home grown players, relative to the other teams in the league. While Jacko's facts are wrong, his main point still has merit.[/quote']

 

His main point was that they led the league.We know they have a high percentage of homegrown players.

 

How does this take away from having the league's highest payroll and buying the top 3 FA's of last year however?

[bsox0407]

i think that Pettitte should be taken off because he left. It would be like if the mets got Roger Clemens back. Or the Sox getting Ramirez.

[yankees228]

His main point was that they led the league.We know they have a high percentage of homegrown players.

 

How does this take away from having the league's highest payroll and buying the top 3 FA's of last year however?

 

It doesn't.

 

I won't speak for Jacko, but what bugs me is when people just pass off this Yankees' championship as a purchase (especially concerning Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira). Those guys were a huge reason why they won, along with other free agents they've signed in the past, but there were a lot of other reasons, ones that are ignored when this championship is passed off as just being "bought".

[Cocos Disciples]

i think that Pettitte should be taken off because he left. It would be like if the mets got Roger Clemens back. Or the Sox getting Ramirez.

 

Yeah, or if Derek Jeter went back to the Pirates.

[yankees228]

i think that Pettitte should be taken off because he left. It would be like if the mets got Roger Clemens back. Or the Sox getting Ramirez.

 

This makes absolutely no sense, for so many different reasons.

 

1. Roger Clemens never played for the Mets.

 

2. Manny Ramirez didn't come up with the Red Sox.

 

3. As for the main point, in part, you're correct, but the Yankees were still the team that developed Pettitte.

 

EDIT: Now that I read it again, if you meant Hanley, my mistake. Points one and three still stand.

[bsox0407]

Yeah' date=' or if Derek Jeter went back to the Pirates.[/quote']

 

oh my bad i thought Clemens actually signed with the mets and then was traded to the SOx.

[bsox0407]

This makes absolutely no sense, for so many different reasons.

 

1. Roger Clemens never played for the Mets.

 

2. Manny Ramirez didn't come up with the Red Sox.

 

3. As for the main point, in part, you're correct, but the Yankees were still the team that developed Pettitte.

 

2. Hanley not manny. he was with the Guardians.

[bsox0407]

How about jeff bagwell back to the sox.

[Dipre]

It doesn't.

 

I won't speak for Jacko, but what bugs me is when people just pass off this Yankees' championship as a purchase (especially concerning Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira). Those guys were a huge reason why they won, along with other free agents they've signed in the past, but there were a lot of other reasons, ones that are ignored when this championship is passed off as just being "bought".

 

Two things:

 

1) Do they win the WS without the $450 million dollar investment?

 

2) The system permits it, this has already been stated, so it's not against the rules, that, however, doesn't diminish the fact that the investment was the most important factor towards the 2009 Yankees WS championship.

[yankees228]

Two things:

 

1) Do they win the WS without the $450 million dollar investment?

 

2) The system permits it, this has already been stated, so it's not against the rules, that, however, doesn't diminish the fact that the investment was the most important factor towards the 2009 Yankees WS championship.

 

This isn't fair at all. They don't win the World Series without Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira. However, they also don't win the World Series without the guys they brought up through the system.

 

What the most important factor is, is something that is completely up for debate.

 

Which brings me back to my initial point that the other things that contributed to the Yankees' championship should not be dismissed.

[yankees228]

2. Hanley not manny. he was with the Guardians.

 

Right, I corrected it with the edit. My bad. But points one and three still stand.

[Dipre]

This isn't fair at all. They don't win the World Series without Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira. However, they also don't win the World Series without the guys they brought up through the system.

 

What the most important factor is, is something that is completely up for debate.

 

Which brings me back to my initial point that the other things that contributed to the Yankees' championship should not be dismissed.

 

You're taking this completely out of context.

 

The Yankees simply don't win without the big 3 FA's.

[bsox0407]

Right' date=' I corrected it with the edit. My bad. But points one and three still stand.[/quote']

 

already commented on one. made a mistake. but three is true but he still left.

[yankees228]

You're taking this completely out of context.

 

The Yankees simply don't win without the big 3 FA's.

 

I'm not, because my point all along has been that, while those free agents played a big role, there were other contributing factors. I feel like those other factors are being dismissed when the entire championship is considered to be "bought".

[Dipre]

I'm not' date=' because my point all along has been that, while those free agents played a big role, there were other contributing factors. I feel like those other factors are being dismissed when the entire championship is considered to be "bought".[/quote']

 

No.

 

The factors are being taken into account. Specially Derek Jeter. But substract the Big 3 and no WS for the Bronx.

 

It's as simple as that.

[yankees228]

No.

 

The factors are being taken into account. Specially Derek Jeter. But substract the Big 3 and no WS for the Bronx.

 

It's as simple as that.

 

And I can just as easily say that without core four, no WS for the Bronx. Simple as that.

 

We're rehashing the same stuff. Whatever. I know how you guys feel at this point.

[Dipre]

And I can just as easily say that without core four, no WS for the Bronx. Simple as that.

 

We're rehashing the same stuff. Whatever. I know how you guys feel at this point.

 

The core four were under contract or were the Bronx's FA's.

 

The argument holds no water.

 

It was "bought" because the improvement that lead directly to the WS championship was provided by the big 3.

[bsox0407]

The core four were under contract or were the Bronx's FA's.

 

The argument holds no water.

 

It was "bought" because the improvement that lead directly to the WS championship was provided by the big 3.

 

Especially since they had the Home grown players the year before the Big three signing.

[yankees228]

The core four were under contract or were the Bronx's FA's.

 

The argument holds no water.

 

It was "bought" because the improvement that lead directly to the WS championship was provided by the big 3.

 

I don't necessarily agree with that. While Sabathia was great in the postseason, they had a guy that matched his production last year, and they had a guy that in 2006 and 2007 came very close. Burnett was just above average during the regular season, and had an up and down postseason. Teixeira was great this year, but Giambi was solid last year. Teixeira was a huge upgrade defensively, but he also had a bad postseason.

 

Those three guys had a big impact this year, but to make a definitive statement about them being the difference is certainly debatable. Lets take a look at other guys who contributed to making the difference.

 

Derek Jeter had his best year since 2006, and increased his OPS from last year by 100 points. He also showed drastic improvement defensively.

 

Johnny Damon had the best year of his career.

 

While Alex Rodriguez, mainly due to injury, didn't have as good a regular season as he usually does, he had a fantastic postseason, something that he hadn't done yet in New York (this represented one of the biggest things that separated this postseason from past postseasons).

 

Hideki Matsui had one of the best years of his career, and improved drastically from last year.

 

Jorge Posada rebounded from a year that he missed most of, and had one of the better years of his career.

 

Nick Swisher had a career year.

 

Robinson Cano had one of the best years of his career, and after posting an 86 OPS+ last year, he rebounded with a 129 OPS+ this year.

 

Melky Cabrera had over a 100 point OPS increase from last year.

 

The bullpen, during the regular season, was probably the best the Yankees have had since their previous championship years.

 

The three free agents, along with a lot of other guys, helped make the difference this year.

[Dipre]

That's dishonest. Specially in the case of Teixeira.

 

What about his defense?

 

What about decline from Mussina and Giambi?

[yankees228]

That's dishonest. Specially in the case of Teixeira.

 

What about his defense?

 

What about decline from Mussina and Giambi?

 

I mentioned Teixeira's defense. It was definitely an improvement over Giambi. But you said that those guys made the big difference over last year, and I was pointing out that guys in their spots had pretty darn good years. Mussina's 2008 season was very comparable to Sabathia's 2009 season. Giambi was very productive, offensively, during his time in New York. They wouldn't have done the same thing this year, but we're talking about what made the difference this year, as opposed to past years.

 

Like I already admitted, the three free agents played a big role, but so did improvements from a lot of other guys, and a lot of other areas on this team.

[26 to 6]

Lol the hat.

 

Finally we have something that completely overpowers Papelbon's faggotry.

Lol no way, this doesn't come close to Papelbon's irish jig lol. Still gay though haha

[26 to 6]

I challenge any Yankee fan anywhere to counter a Red Sox fan's argument of "the Yankees' spending is too insane" without mentioning Dice-K and the blind bidding process

LOL priceless, let's just throw the Daisuke posting fee out the window for the convenience of your argument. You guys are f***ing crazy. Keep thinking what you want, I'm done arguing finances with Red Sox fans. No matter what the Yankees are still the World Champions and there's nothing you can do about it until next October, so quit your f***ing bitching and deal with it.

[Dipre]

LOL priceless' date=' let's just throw the Daisuke posting fee out the window for the convenience of your argument. You guys are f***ing crazy. Keep thinking what you want, I'm done arguing finances with Red Sox fans. No matter what the Yankees are still the World Champions and there's nothing you can do about it until next October, so quit your f***ing bitching and deal with it.[/quote']

 

Fantastic argument.

 

No matter what the championship was bought in the eyes of the rest of the league, so quit complaining about it, shut your mouth, and go to a Yankee board if you don't wanna be called out on it.

[yankees228]

Fantastic argument.

 

No matter what the championship was bought in the eyes of the rest of the league, so quit complaining about it, shut your mouth, and go to a Yankee board if you don't wanna be called out on it.

 

That's a bit of an exaggeration. I've read a lot of sentiment about the Yankees' championship being bought, but I've read just as much sentiment that highlights many of things I've already stated (and things like chemistry and such, which I choose not to comment on because I'm not a player or in the clubhouse).

[Spudboy]

I think the Yankees won because they had superior game management.