2009 College Basketball Thread

[suns]

Texas wins tonight!! Mark it down!

[msubulldogs21]

Texas wins tonight!! Mark it down!

 

I wouldn't count on them to win, but I bet it's close.

[TheMino007]

UCONN Syracuse was a great game last night. The refs screwed over the Huskies big time though, there was no way Syracuse should have been granted that time out. UConn should have gotten the ball with 35 seconds left.

[CoachC.]

UCONN Syracuse was a great game last night. The refs screwed over the Huskies big time though' date=' there was no way Syracuse should have been granted that time out. UConn should have gotten the ball with 35 seconds left.[/quote']

 

The rule basically says that if the clock is moving the official stops it by granting a time out if a coach or player verbally or physically signals for one and that the team calling the time out has to possess the ball. The video clearly shows that Boeheim signals for a time out when the ball is possessed by Jardine before making his move to the basket in the lane. Referee John Cahill then signals for the time out to be granted, however this was after Jardine made the move to the basketball and subsequently lost the ball. This is irrelevant however if Boeheim signaled for the time out and Cahill grants it, be it when Jardine actually had the ball or not. It is very similar to the situation in football that happens quite frequently when a coach on a sideline calls a time out before the snap, but because the referee has to signal and run in to stop the play, sometimes the other team snaps the ball first. The time out is still valid and that time is then put back on the clock. The exact same thing happened here. Cahill and the other referees looked at the tape, determined when Boeheim actually called the time out, and adjusted the time accordingly. Despite the fact that Cahill was, for one reason or another, delayed in actually granting the time out, he still knew that Boeheim had called it when Jardine possessed the ball, making it a valid time out, and further supporting this by adding the time back on the clock.

 

Here's the thing about the questionable timeout though. If the TO isnt called, but the refs call it play correctly, Jardine is shooting 2 free throws. It looked pretty clear Edwards gets Scoop pretty hard on the wrist.

[YanksHater213]

If you wanna watch a good college ball game, my Bryant University Bulldogs (0-24, 0-12) are facing the St. Francis (PA) Red Flash (8-14, 5-6) in a pivotal NEC matchup on ESPN 360.

 

Should be a dandy.

[msubulldogs21]

Mississippi State and Ole Miss on ESPN

 

This is what I call a good night

[See Red]

The rule basically says that if the clock is moving the official stops it by granting a time out if a coach or player verbally or physically signals for one and that the team calling the time out has to possess the ball. The video clearly shows that Boeheim signals for a time out when the ball is possessed by Jardine before making his move to the basket in the lane. Referee John Cahill then signals for the time out to be granted, however this was after Jardine made the move to the basketball and subsequently lost the ball. This is irrelevant however if Boeheim signaled for the time out and Cahill grants it, be it when Jardine actually had the ball or not. It is very similar to the situation in football that happens quite frequently when a coach on a sideline calls a time out before the snap, but because the referee has to signal and run in to stop the play, sometimes the other team snaps the ball first. The time out is still valid and that time is then put back on the clock. The exact same thing happened here. Cahill and the other referees looked at the tape, determined when Boeheim actually called the time out, and adjusted the time accordingly. Despite the fact that Cahill was, for one reason or another, delayed in actually granting the time out, he still knew that Boeheim had called it when Jardine possessed the ball, making it a valid time out, and further supporting this by adding the time back on the clock.

 

Here's the thing about the questionable timeout though. If the TO isnt called, but the refs call it play correctly, Jardine is shooting 2 free throws. It looked pretty clear Edwards gets Scoop pretty hard on the wrist.

 

As an article on ESPN says, when a coach or player signals for a timeout means nothing, its when an official grants him the timeout and signals such. The referee did not grant the timeout until after Syracuse was no longer in possession of the ball. It was a bad call.

[TheMino007]

^ Totally agree. Should have been UCONN ball

[italstallianion]

Even as a Uconn fan, I don't think that Uconn got screwed by the refs. I just think they got screwed by circumstance. Between getting upset by Michigan State last year, Thabeet leaving early, losing Calhoun for 7 games and losing to worse teams like Providence, Cincinnati, Michigan, Louisville and Marquette, to losing to our hated rival Syracuse. Not to mention how many times we got f***** over during football season.

 

So I wouldn't blame it on the refs. I'd blame it on the Gods.

[CoachC.]

I'll say it again: the applicable NCAA rules are as follows: Rule 5, Section 10, Art. 4 states: “The game clock and shot clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official grants a coach’s or player’s visual or oral request for a time out." Rule 5, Section 12, Art. 1 adds: “No timeouts shall be granted unless there is a player control by the requesting team." Also Rule 5, Section 13, Art. 1 says: “A timeout shall be granted and charged after a player or head coach makes a visual or oral request and when a player of that team is in control of the ball." After studying the tape it clearly shows that Boeheim signals for a time out when the ball is possessed by Jardine before making his move to the basket in the lane. Cahill then signals for the time out to be granted, however this was after Jardine made the move to the basketball and subsequently lost the ball. This is irrelevant however if Boeheim signaled for the time out and Cahill grants it, be it when Jardine actually had the ball or not.

 

Rule CLEARLY states that once you hear the coach CALL or signal for a timeout you get the TO. Cal was late calling it. You can tell he heard him earlier but had to get his whistle and didn't have it in his mouth. Boeheim was signaling for it and then began yelling for it a good second before the shot went up. It was a good call. And even if he didn't get the timeout in time (which he did), Scoop was fouled pretty hard on the wrist by Edwards.

 

Sure, it would have been better if Cahill had verbalized/signaled his granting of the TO in a more timely manner, but it was not wrong for him to grant the TO when he did, for even though he was late in 'processing' Boeheim's rightful request, it was still the right thing to do, if you care about things like justice.

[msubulldogs21]

Pitt and West Virginia are in an insane game right now in OT.

 

This is awesome.

[CoachC.]

I have to admit the Zoo generates some pretty good atmosphere.

[suns]

Double OT!! Missed free throws costing them.

[msubulldogs21]

Holy. Crap.

 

Are you serious? Double OT? This is nutsssssss.

[CoachC.]

Unbelievable. Truck Bryant! Gotta love the backyard brawl. Best free throw shooter in the Big East misses a free throw (104/114) and West Virginia comes back to tie it on a 3.

[msubulldogs21]

At this point, lets just root for as many OTs as possible. It's not like there is anything else on tonight.

[suns]

I want to see all the players foul out!

[CoachC.]

Every Night in the Big East > An Olympics Every Four Years

[suns]

West Virginia players are idiots! Take a charge!!

[CoachC.]

West Virginia players are idiots! Take a charge!!

 

Why take the risk of the refs calling a foul and having someone foul out? It's called defense.

[suns]

Why take the risk of the refs calling a foul and having someone foul out? It's called defense.

 

The refs called a foul on it and it was a and 1. I would take my chances with a charge.

[msubulldogs21]

At this point' date=' lets just root for as many OTs as possible. It's not like there is anything else on tonight.[/quote']

 

[suns]

Triple Overtime!!! :lol: :lol:

[CoachC.]

The refs called a foul on it and it was a and 1. I would take my chances with a charge.

 

This isn't the SEC you're watching here.

[CoachC.]

Wanamaker out and Butler has the last 10 West Virginia points.

[CoachC.]

Memo to Demarcus Cousins: grow up and drop the attitude. Wonder how long it will be before he is on probation? He picked the biggest stage to show why teams shouldn't spend a top 5 pick on him. No need to knock over your blocks each time you don't get your way.

[suns]

Tony Greene hates Kentucky. There was a lot of reasons for Big Cuz to be mad tonight.

[CoachC.]

Tony Greene hates Kentucky. There was a lot of reasons for Big Cuz to be mad tonight.

 

LOL. Using the referee excuse? Refs let Cousins get away with murder. He clearly elbowed that guy in the face on his 4th foul and he was whining about it. Cousins has a man's body and a man's game, but acts like a 10-year-old boy. He's going to need to grow up before the NBA. He act's like this every game but today it was in front of the while country.

 

Even Pat Forde noticed it:

 

DeMarcus Cousins gave us a glimpse of what makes him both overpowering and maddening during the first half against Tennessee. He's the best offensive rebounder in the country -- and perhaps the most immature player in the country, too.

 

I believe he's Kentucky's best player. He can get his hands on anything that comes off the glass, which is why the argument that he's dependent upon fellow freshman John Wall to get him the ball is a fallacy -- Cousins gets the ball for himself off missed shots.

 

But Cousins also is addicted to cheap and silly drama -- throwing elbows, talking trash, arguing with officials. He was T'd up yet again in the first half against the Volunteers along with J.P. Prince. If he doesn't think opposing players and fans are going to continue to work on his hair-trigger temper, he's fooling himself.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/3914/forde-observation-temper-hinders-cousins?utm_source=web&utm_medium=twitter

 

Between the egos of Calipari, Cousins, and Wall, I'm not sure how a damn soul can fit into Rupp Arena.

[suns]

Chism, hall, and williams were hacking him all game!

[CoachC.]

Were they whining all game and kicking over their blocks on the way to the locker room? Take off your UK Blue colored glasses and tell me Cousins is not immature, even the announcers were all over him telling him to stop pouting.

 

I guess it's true in Kentucky they love their cousins