Bump in the Road or cause for concern for Chamberlain

[BoSox21]

In August:

 

19 ER, 27 H, 15 BB in 20 IP for a sterling 8.55 ERA and 2.10 WHIP

 

Discuss.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

He misses his mommy.

[a700hitter]

In August:

 

19 ER, 27 H, 15 BB in 20 IP for a sterling 8.55 ERA and 2.10 WHIP

 

Discuss.

But for the age difference, it sure looks like Joba and Penny were separated at birth.

[Paradisecity]

You dippin' into my kool-aid 21?

 

I saw his line last night was going to make this thread as soon as I got in.....

[BoSox21]

lol, just calling a spade a spade

[Dipre]

This thread is awesome.

[Paradisecity]

Yeah I'm just playing around.

 

Good to see the reverse trolling catching on.

[Dipre]

Yeah I'm just playing around.

 

Good to see the reverse trolling catching on.

 

However, the Canadian calls me not funny, then uses someone else's idea to bring the lulz.

 

Plagiarism is not cool.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

soi soi soi soi soi soi...

[BoSox21]

However, the Canadian calls me not funny, then uses someone else's idea to bring the lulz.

 

Plagiarism is not cool.

 

Not really trying to draw laughs. It's more of a "tasting his own medicine" type thing. And I do find you funny most of the time. Legitimately.

[Dipre]

Not really trying to draw laughs. It's more of a "tasting his own medicine" type thing. And I do find you funny most of the time. Legitimately.

 

This is why i love Canada.

 

You people are so nice.

 

And all joking aside, i need to complain because of my inability to drink Presidente.

 

It's depressing me.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

How come no one ever calls me funny? The hell with you all.

[BSN07]

Jacko's first paragraph in Becketts bumpy, road thread

 

 

I find it funny that Beckett's start last night is just being swept under the rug. No discussion at all, almost like people are afraid to discuss it. But looking at the trend over the last 3 games, there is definitely cause for concern. His start vs Detroit looked good on paper, but it started a strange trend for a pitcher who has been known to give up gopherballs when not physically or mentally right (see 2006). Over his last 3 starts, Beckett has allowed 10 homeruns which is the exact same amount of homers he had allowed coming into this 3 game stretch.

 

 

And I find it funny you are sweeping AJ and Joba's August under the rug....

[jacksonianmarch]

This is another retarded thread. Seriously, this is just a f***ing retarded thread as per usual.

 

#1. AJ has been solid with mixed in clunkers for awhile now. He hasnt put two together (like Beckett did), so until he does, then it is what it is, a bad start.

 

#2. This is what Joba has been all yr. A run of dominant starts mixed in with s***** starts.

 

I get that you guys are trying to grill me, and that's cool. But my post was prefaced with Josh Beckett, the presumed Cy Young candidate who had a run of brilliance and then ran into a wall. Both of the above guys have been performing like this most of the yr.

[BoSox21]

Both of the above guys have been performing like this most of the yr.

 

Ok, so they're both a cause for concern. Case closed.

[jacksonianmarch]

Neither of them are Josh Beckett. If I expected Joba or AJ to perform to the lofty standards of Beckett, then I should be concerned. But I expect both of them to perform like AJ (a #2) and Joba (a first time MLB SP). And they have both pitched as they have been cast

[Dipre]

Neither of them are Josh Beckett. If I expected Joba or AJ to perform to the lofty standards of Beckett' date=' then I should be concerned. But I expect both of them to perform like AJ (a #2) and Joba (a first time MLB SP). And they have both pitched as they have been cast[/quote']

 

You don't expect Burnett to perform to Beckett-like standards?

 

I'm going to save this somewhere, and the next time you mention Burnett as an "elite" near $100 mill worth SP, i'm going to shove this down your throat.

[jacksonianmarch]

Burnett is one of the top 10 starters in the AL. Beckett and CC are in the top 3. There is a difference

[Dipre]

Burnett is one of the top 10 starters in the AL. Beckett and CC are in the top 3. There is a difference

 

******** shield up.

[Paradisecity]

Neither of them are Josh Beckett. If I expected Joba or AJ to perform to the lofty standards of Beckett' date=' then I should be concerned. But I expect both of them to perform like AJ (a #2) and Joba (a first time MLB SP). And they have both pitched as they have been cast[/quote']

 

How bout we compare Burnett to your ace, Beckett? Shall we?

 

How do you explain Burnett's .271 career BABIP? How bout his career .129 IsoPower against? Lets compare that, shall we?

 

Burnett's career BABIP .271

Beckett's career BABIP .293

 

Burnett's career IsoPower against .129

Beckett's career IsoPower against .149

 

So if you are going to say that Burnett gets hit VERY hard when the other team makes contact, then you must say that Beckett gets hit super ultra hard when the other team makes contact. And when you factor in that Burnett has had a higher K/9IP over his 3 yr ALE tenure compared to Beckett's 3 yr tenure, then you must say that Beckett gets hit more frequently AND gets hit super ultra hard when the other team makes contact?

 

This gets to the very core of my argument. Burnett, if healthy, is an ace. Last yrs numbers, for the most part, were an aberration. Yes, the wins and the K's looked great. But his peripherals were skewed by one poor month. Burnett's career WHIP is in the 1.19 range. His WHIP from last yr was 1.34, but in only one month did he have a WHIP over 1.34 (April 1.79). If you look at his career stats and then focus down to the post TJ days, you will see that he decreased his BB rate while maintaining or increasing the K totals and maintaining the same BAA. And when you compare his numbers in Toronto to the 3 yr total from Beckett, there are some real eye poppers there.

 

Beckett 579.2IP 553H 265ER 71HR 524K 148BB 4.11ERA 1.21WHIP .248BAA .710OPS 3.54K/BB 8.1K/9IP

 

Burnett 522IP 480H 229ER 56HR 525K 191BB 3.94ERA 1.29WHIP .242BAA .701OPS 2.75K/BB 9.1K/9IP

 

Pretty darn similar, eh? So dont try and say that Burnett is only a K pitcher who gets hit VERY HARD when someone makes contact, because your ace is actually worse in that category and in terms of the rest of the peripherals, our guy who gets his tits lit when he makes contact stacks up well against the fearless DL warrior Beckett. Face it, they are very similar pitchers, both capable of starting about as much as they are resting an injury. But if both are fully healthy, they are f***ing dominant.

 

 

Thats the catch about s***. The more spew it, the more you forget about the crazy old s*** you used to spew.

 

 

So....is he injured?

 

Or were you just wrong, like we originally said?

[Dipre]

Thats the catch about s***. The more spew it, the more you forget about the crazy old s*** you used to spew.

 

 

So....is he injured?

 

Or were you just wrong, like we originally said?

 

I was about to post this, thank you very much.

 

This man deserves our respect.

[BoSox21]

Burnett is one of the top 10 starters in the AL.

 

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[jacksonianmarch]

Thats the catch about s***. The more spew it, the more you forget about the crazy old s*** you used to spew.

 

 

So....is he injured?

 

Or were you just wrong, like we originally said?

 

Beckett has performed better than I thought he would and Burnett has been a bit more wild than I thought he would.

[Dojji]

Burnett is one of the top 10 starters in the AL.

 

American League pitchers who are beyond a reasonable doubt better than Burnett (in no particular order)

 

Greinke

Beckett

Halladay

Sabathia

Hernandez

Verlander

Edwin Jackson

Lester

Shields

Garza

[Dipre]

Beckett has performed better than I thought he would and Burnett has been a bit more wild than I thought he would.

 

Lol.

 

This post is legendary.

[example1]

Neither of them are Josh Beckett. If I expected Joba or AJ to perform to the lofty standards of Beckett' date=' then I should be concerned. But I expect both of them to perform like AJ (a #2) and Joba (a first time MLB SP). And they have both pitched as they have been cast[/quote']

 

Interesting. So the Yankees go out and pay Burnett $6m a year more than Beckett makes, but nobody should expect him to be anything close to Beckett? Where do you think that money should go instead? I don't expect them to be the same either, but I also think Burnett is one of the most absurd contracts in baseball. Apparently you agree with that assessment? He's getting paid $16.5m to be an inconsistent #2. That's the same cost as the Sox are paying Beckett, Lester and Wakefield combined.

 

If I were you I wouldn't be too worried about Burnett's performance either, except that he's going to be relied on to be a rock in the playoffs and he's never really a rock. Hopefully he doesn't have 2 out of 3 bad starts in those series or the Yankees may, once again, be headed home early shaking their heads.

[Paradisecity]

Beckett has performed better than I thought he would and Burnett has been a bit more wild than I thought he would.

 

 

So......the extra .5 walks per game started for Burnett this year compared to last year, combined with Beckett's staggering 0.11 improvement in ERA this year compared to his career is what is now separating Beckett and Burnett and in your mind now MJ?

 

I just want to clarify, you know, so there's no confusion.

[Cocos Disciples]

Jacko didn't you say Burnett had the best stuff in the league?