8/18 Vs the Sons that best be steppin' from Canada

[a700hitter]

That's a very presumptuous statement to make. Besides' date=' the guy has a $41 million contract, I doubt he'd care about $100k enough to miss the birth of his kid and the peace of mind of knowing his wife and kid made it through the birth without complications.[/quote']If he's so honorable, then he should tell the Red Sox to dock his pay for 3 games. It's just my opinion, but playing Mr. Mom for 3 days at the cost of $100 k might change his mind a bit. It changes peoples minds where I work, and they make a lot less money.

[schillingouttheks]

The man who can't maintain a relationship for more than 3 months is going to lecture us on these issues. You gotta love it.

 

I know it was a joke, but what does that have to do with anything?

 

If he's so honorable' date=' then he should tell the Red Sox to dock his pay for 3 games. It's just my opinion, but playing Mr. Mom for 3 days at the cost of $100 k might change his mind a bit. It changes peoples minds where I work, and they make a lot less money.[/quote']

 

100k to Dustin Pedroia is not nearly significant enough to him as whatever your coworkers might lose. It's all relative.

 

I honestly can't believe we're having this discussion. He has every reason in the world to be with his wife and child right now.

[a700hitter]

100k to Dustin Pedroia is not nearly significant enough to him as whatever your coworkers might lose. It's all relative.

 

I honestly can't believe we're having this discussion. He has every reason in the world to be with his wife and child right now.

True.

[Spudboy]

This thread is now nonsensical.

 

Unreal.

[schillingouttheks]

The game starts soon anyway, so I'm just going to lock it. Feel free to carry over the conversation into the current game thread, but I don't think there's anything left to be said anyway.

[a700hitter]

I know it was a joke, but what does that have to do with anything?

 

 

 

100k to Dustin Pedroia is not nearly significant enough to him as whatever your coworkers might lose. It's all relative.

 

I honestly can't believe we're having this discussion. He has every reason in the world to be with his wife and child right now.

When it comes to raising children in this country in this day an age, I am just amused at what people conventionally believe to be important. Being at the birth is of paramount importance even though we have no memories before the age of 4. So many parents are asshats after that. We have parents driving drunk, some with their kids in the car and engaging in so much other bad behavior, or they ignore there kids throughout their teen years not noticing that their kids are unhappy, direction-less and are getting involved with dangerous behavior. Those same jackass parents will tell you what a great experience it was when their kid was born. I'm sorry, but that great experience of birth is a bit self indulgent to me. I experienced the same rush, but you know what... birth is a miserable painful traumatic experience for the child. What's important is what kind of parent you are for the rest of your life and the examples you set for your kids, not the euphoria of the "look what we made" emotion that lasts for a couple of days. It's wonderful that the baby is healthy and that Dustin and his wife are happy, but save all the other ******** about this. It is truly not important that he be there for three days, but he will be and the Sox will play without him and everyone is okay with it. I just find a lot of society's conventions to be phony and superficial.

[CrespoBlows]

Baseball is a JOB, and employment laws give the worker the choice to take leave for the birth of their childs.

 

Or what?

 

We back to slavery, champ?

 

The entitlement generation back with a mighty roar.

[The_Destroyah]

When it comes to raising children in this country in this day an age' date=' I am just amused at what people conventionally believe to be important. Being at the birth is of paramount importance even though we have no memories before the age of 4. So many parents are asshats after that. [b'] We have parents driving drunk, some with their kids in the car and engaging in so much other bad behavior, or they ignore there kids throughout their teen years not noticing that their kids are unhappy, direction-less and are getting involved with dangerous behavior. [/b] Those same jackass parents will tell you what a great experience it was when their kid was born. I'm sorry, but that great experience of birth is a bit self indulgent to me. I experienced the same rush, but you know what... birth is a miserable painful traumatic experience for the child. What's important is what kind of parent you are for the rest of your life and the examples you set for your kids, not the euphoria of the "look what we made" emotion that lasts for a couple of days. It's wonderful that the baby is healthy and that Dustin and his wife are happy, but save all the other ******** about this. It is truly not important that he be there for three days, but he will be and the Sox will play without him and everyone is okay with it. I just find a lot of society's conventions to be phony and superficial.

 

Thats irrelevant, Pedroia has yet to do any of those things.

 

And 3 days is a minimum IMO, you stay not just for the "look what we made" emotion but to see your wife and kid and make sure they are ok, IMO there is absolutely no way that a GAME, and make no mistake it is a game played purely for entertainment and is in no way vital to how you run your life, is more important than seeing to your family at that time in life, if it disgusts you that he is out 3 days maybe you should stick to playing MLB on the XBox...and no one is claiming that the baby has memories before 4 so you can drop that point, its purely for the parents enjoyment as it should be.

[schillingouttheks]

When it comes to raising children in this country in this day an age' date=' I am just amused at what people conventionally believe to be important. Being at the birth is of paramount importance even though we have no memories before the age of 4. So many parents are asshats after that. We have parents driving drunk, some with their kids in the car and engaging in so much other bad behavior, or they ignore there kids throughout their teen years not noticing that their kids are unhappy, direction-less and are getting involved with dangerous behavior. Those same jackass parents will tell you what a great experience it was when their kid was born. I'm sorry, but that great experience of birth is a bit self indulgent to me. I experienced the same rush, but you know what... birth is a miserable painful traumatic experience for the child. What's important is what kind of parent you are for the rest of your life and the examples you set for your kids, not the euphoria of the "look what we made" emotion that lasts for a couple of days. It's wonderful that the baby is healthy and that Dustin and his wife are happy, but save all the other ******** about this. It is truly not important that he be there for three days, but he will be and the Sox will play without him and everyone is okay with it. I just find a lot of society's conventions to be phony and superficial.[/quote']

 

Okay, but I see that as more of a personal stance which is irrelevant to the topic at hand. I don't understand why you have an issue with Pedroia taking 3 days to make sure his wife comes out of labor successfully and to ensure they get back home before he returns. Child birth, for the mother, is only the second stage of the three stages of labor. She still has to deliver the placenta (she already has most likely but I'm just talking about the process in general), during which plenty of complications can arise, and in addition to that she has to be monitored for any immediate post-pregnancy complications. Make no mistake about it, the stages following child birth can be just as deadly if something goes wrong as something going wrong with the child birth. For the mother, child birth doesn't end when the baby is born. Health concerns last for a few days. Seeing that she hasn't had a problem-free pregnancy, there is cause for concern for these to be realistic issues.

[Spudboy]

Thats irrelevant, Pedroia has yet to do any of those things.

 

And 3 days is a minimum IMO, you stay not just for the "look what we made" emotion but to see your wife and kid and make sure they are ok, IMO there is absolutely no way that a GAME, and make no mistake it is a game played purely for entertainment and is in no way vital to how you run your life, is more important than seeing to your family at that time in life, if it disgusts you that he is out 3 days maybe you should stick to playing MLB on the XBox...and no one is claiming that the baby has memories before 4 so you can drop that point, its purely for the parents enjoyment as it should be.

 

Yes.

 

It's encouraging that a young man has this in proper perspective.

[BoSox21]

Okay' date=' but I see that as more of a personal stance which is irrelevant to the topic at hand. I don't understand why you have an issue with Pedroia taking 3 days to make sure his wife comes out of labor successfully and to ensure they get back home before he returns. Child birth, for the mother, is only the second stage of the three stages of labor. She still has to deliver the placenta (she already has most likely but I'm just talking about the process in general), during which plenty of complications can arise, and in addition to that she has to be monitored for any immediate post-pregnancy complications. Make no mistake about it, the stages following child birth can be just as deadly if something goes wrong as something going wrong with the child birth. For the mother, child birth doesn't end when the baby is born. Health concerns last for a few days. Seeing that she hasn't had a problem-free pregnancy, there is cause for concern for these to be realistic issues.[/quote']

 

yea but it's a pennant race...

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

What a bunch of ignorant ******** this has devolved into.

[a700hitter]

Thats irrelevant, Pedroia has yet to do any of those things.

 

And 3 days is a minimum IMO, you stay not just for the "look what we made" emotion but to see your wife and kid and make sure they are ok, IMO there is absolutely no way that a GAME, and make no mistake it is a game played purely for entertainment and is in no way vital to how you run your life, is more important than seeing to your family at that time in life, if it disgusts you that he is out 3 days maybe you should stick to playing MLB on the XBox...and no one is claiming that the baby has memories before 4 so you can drop that point, its purely for the parents enjoyment as it should be.

I am not disgusted with Pedroia. He's just following society's conventions. My father was and still is the best father that I could imagine, and if he witnessed my birth, it wouldn't have made him a better father or husband (married to my mom for 60 years and they still lovingly take care of each other). As a society, we are so busy indulging ourselves in our own emotions that the truly important aspects of relationships are lost. No, that is not Pedroia's fault. I don't blame him for playing the role that society expects him to fill.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I am not disgusted with Pedroia. He's just following society's conventions. My father was and still is the best father that I could imagine' date=' and if he witnessed my birth, it wouldn't have made him a better father or husband (married to my mom for 60 years and they still lovingly take care of each other). As a society, we are so busy indulging ourselves in our own emotions that the truly important aspects of relationships are lost. No, that is not Pedroia's fault. I don't blame him for playing the role that society expects him to fill.[/quote']

So society, not common sense, is dictating that he should stay with his wife and baby to make sure both are healthy and neither have any post-childbirth complications? Interesting.

[a700hitter]

Okay' date=' but I see that as more of a personal stance which is irrelevant to the topic at hand. I don't understand why you have an issue with Pedroia taking 3 days to make sure his wife comes out of labor successfully and to ensure they get back home before he returns. Child birth, for the mother, is only the second stage of the three stages of labor. She still has to deliver the placenta (she already has most likely but I'm just talking about the process in general), during which plenty of complications can arise, and in addition to that she has to be monitored for any immediate post-pregnancy complications. Make no mistake about it, the stages following child birth can be just as deadly if something goes wrong as something going wrong with the child birth. For the mother, child birth doesn't end when the baby is born. Health concerns last for a few days. Seeing that she hasn't had a problem-free pregnancy, there is cause for concern for these to be realistic issues.[/quote']It is a personal philosophoical issue that has nothing to do with Pedroia.

I'm just trying to convey that being present at your child's birth is entirely irrelevant to being a good parent.

[ORS]

When it comes to raising children in this country in this day an age' date=' I am just amused at what people conventionally believe to be important. Being at the birth is of paramount importance even though we have no memories before the age of 4....[/quote']

This statement speaks volumes about your misunderstanding why it's important for the father to be there. It's not about the kid. It's about supporting the person you've promised you will be there with, through thick and thin, while she pushes a cantaloupe through a hole sized for a lemon.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

This statement speaks volumes about your misunderstanding why it's important for the father to be there. It's not about the kid. It's about supporting the person you've promised you will be there with' date=' through thick and thin, while she pushes a cantaloupe through a hole sized for a lemon.[/quote']

But it's a pennant race!

[ORS]

There's a thread about Youkilis being selfish for letting emotion take him out of some games in this pennant race. I posit that anyone upset by Pedroia spending time with his wife through this experience is demostrating an avalanche of selfishness that soundly covers what Youkilis did.

[a700hitter]

So society' date=' [b']not[/b] common sense, is dictating that he should stay with his wife and baby to make sure both are healthy and neither have any post-childbirth complications? Interesting.

Exactly. Common sense would dictate that a doctor, nurse, fireman, or just about anyone other than a dopey profesional jock determine whether you are healthy and in need of medical attention. Would anyone here want Pedroia making health decisions for them. That would be beyond common sense.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Exactly. Common sense would dictate that a doctor' date=' nurse, fireman, or just about anyone other than a dopey profesional jock determine whether you are healthy and in need of medical attention. Would anyone here want Pedroia making health decisions for them. That would be beyond common sense.[/quote']

lol

 

 

 

yikes

[a700hitter]

This statement speaks volumes about your misunderstanding why it's important for the father to be there. It's not about the kid. It's about supporting the person you've promised you will be there with' date=' through thick and thin, while she pushes a cantaloupe through a hole sized for a lemon.[/quote']

Lol! I think you are demonstrating how little you know about women. They barely need us to suppy the sperm. If they are in a hospital with a doctor, they don't need us for support. For every women that looked to her husband for support through all that pain there are probably twice as many that screamed "look what you did to me you bastard!" Lol! You give women too little credit. Most would rather have their mom or sister take care of them afterward, because let's face we could never understand childbirth from their prospective. They need us to support them? Indulge yourself in the fantasy of your own self importance. Lol!

[ORS]

Do you live in a relationship devoid of emotion? Not picking a nit, but all the things you mentioned are physical support (health professionals, people who have been through the experience). Most women I know are emotional creatures, and they want their husband there for emotional support. But that's just my experience, I can't speak about other relationships.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I can't decide which one of a700's posts to sig.

[Dipre]

The entitlement generation back with a mighty roar.

 

This made me chuckle, i'll admit it.

 

@A700:

 

I'm disappointed in you not getting my slavery reference for one, also, you're really being a douche on the whole subject.

[Dipre]

Lol! I think you are demonstrating how little you know about women. They barely need us to suppy the sperm. If they are in a hospital with a doctor' date=' they don't need us for support. For every women that looked to her husband for support through all that pain there are probably twice as many that screamed "look what you did to me you bastard!" Lol! You give women too little credit. Most would rather have their mom or sister take care of them afterward, because let's face we could never understand childbirth from their prospective. They need us to support them? Indulge yourself in the fantasy of your own self importance. Lol![/quote']

 

I take it back.

 

THIS is your stupidest post.

 

Nice, champ, you're reaching BOY levels, keep it up.

[CrespoBlows]

Nah. BOY was a nasty racist. a700hitter just isn't as emotionally available as other people.

[Dipre]

Nah. BOY was a nasty racist. a700hitter just isn't as emotionally available as other people.

 

Hahahahaha.

 

You're on fire tonight.

[a700hitter]

You know I raised and vigorously discussed an issue in a controversial manner. Although you all strongly disagreed with me, there was no name-calling or demeaning rhetoric. Well, except for Dipre who made a ridiculous analogy to slavery. We all know that he has a short fuse. Thank you all. Now, it's game time.

 

Crespo, great line about emotional availability. I will use that. I apologize in advance for stealing your material.

[Dipre]

You know I raised and vigorously discussed an issue in a controversial manner. Although you all strongly disagreed with me' date=' there was no name-calling or demeaning rhetoric. Well, except for Dipre who made a [b']ridiculous analogy to slavery. [/b] We all know that he has a short fuse. Thank you all. Now, it's game time.

 

Crespo, great line about emotional availability. I will use that. I apologize in advance for stealing your material.

 

Lol i'll have to explain it to you won't i, old timer? (Old timer is not an insult)

[CrespoBlows]

I don't believe that a700hitter's original suggestion was unreasonable. Suggesting that Pedroia play after his wife gave birth doesn't sound that outrageous.