Red Sox Put in Waiver Claim on Nats SS Guzman

[Dojji]

Then what o you suggest the Sox do?

 

If they're dang sure that what they'll actually be getting is the Cristian Guzman if the last ~3 years, they should get Cristian Guzman.

 

Otherwise, they need to gut it out until Lowrie gets back.

 

WCS we wind up with an expensive bench player who can play 2nd, SS and 3rd adequately.

 

No, WCS we have another salary to dump.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Go after Cody Ramson.

Idiot.

[Dojji]

I do recognize that given the offsensive slump we're on there's a certain sense of "Try something! Try anything!" going on down here, but I just don't think this will go down as one of Epstein's better moves even if he does pull it off.

[Dipre]

If they're dang sure that what they'll actually be getting is the Cristian Guzman if the last ~3 years, they should get Cristian Guzman.

 

Otherwise, they need to gut it out until Lowrie gets back.

 

 

 

No, WCS we have another salary to dump.

 

And what makes you think Lowrie will even play again this year?

 

Again, Guzman is 20X better than Green, and would only be around this year and the next.

 

The Nats certainly aren't dumping him for performance, but for money, just like they'll probably dump Dunn.

[WhiskeyBreath]

His BABIP of .351 is of extreme concern to me.

 

However, he also sports a below average LD% of 16.......it doesn't make sense.

 

What is his career BABIP?

[Dipre]

What is his career BABIP?

 

.310, LD% 19.2%

 

 

So if it evens out, we're talking .290/320.

[redsoxrules]

Nick f***ing gren sucks at everything lately

Guzman would be a pretty good upgrade

[WhiskeyBreath]

Thanks Dipre

[The_Destroyah]

If it only costs us the cash and maybe a PTBNL then im down with the idea.

[Dojji]

And what makes you think Lowrie will even play again this year?

 

And what makes YOU think I'm only talking about this year? $8M is a lot of money to pay for an inconsistent player in a 2010 season in which we'll still be paying $9M for Julio Lugo as well. If he bombs, that's $17M in unproductive shortstops. This is a pretty substantial risk we're taking here.

[Dipre]

And what makes YOU think I'm only talking about this year? $8M is a lot of money to pay for an inconsistent player in a 2010 season in which we'll still be paying $9M for Julio Lugo as well. If he bombs' date=' that's $17M in unproductive shortstops. This is a pretty substantial risk we're taking here.[/quote']

 

WE'RE not taking it, the SOX ORGANIZATION is taking it, and they CAN take it to make the team BETTER.

 

Stop talking like it's your money.

 

And besides, this team has quite a bit of financial flexibility.

 

But since you're so concerned about the Red Sox's economic situation you'd rather they wait for Lowrie who might not play at all this season and stay with the Green/Woodward combination of SUCK?

 

Sweet Jesus.

[diony]

And what makes YOU think I'm only talking about this year? $8M is a lot of money to pay for an inconsistent player in a 2010 season in which we'll still be paying $9M for Julio Lugo as well. If he bombs' date=' that's [b']$17M in unproductive shortstops.[/b] This is a pretty substantial risk we're taking here.

 

The farmboy has a point.

[redsoxrules]

so we stick with an overated Lowrie who cant stay healthy or nick f***ing green and that other guy woodward?

 

PASS

 

I'd rather go with Guzman

 

I'm sick and tired about hearing ..oh no that's alot of money ..... the cost

that's why we didn't TEX

 

yes I had to throw that in there

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

^ Cost isn't exactly a trivial thing.

[Dojji]

There's a maximum price you should be willing to pay for anything.

 

Cristian Guzman's $8M salary, mediocre decision making and .699 career OPS scream louder than words to me that this is not a price this team should be paying for this shortstop.

[a700hitter]

And what makes YOU think I'm only talking about this year? $8M is a lot of money to pay for an inconsistent player in a 2010 season in which we'll still be paying $9M for Julio Lugo as well. If he bombs' date=' that's $17M in unproductive shortstops. This is a pretty substantial risk we're taking here.[/quote']They are obviously not going to do it if they don't have the money. If the $ is not a big issue to them, this is a no lose move.

[Dojji]

oh no it so very much isn't. This team may not have a lot of limits on their financial flexibility, but those limits are present in some form, and sinking $17M into the shortstop position to wind up with the results we've been getting would probably strain those limits.

 

They better be right about Guzman, is all I'm saying.

[a700hitter]

oh no it so very much isn't. This team may not have a lot of limits on their financial flexibility, but those limits are present in some form, and sinking $17M into the shortstop position to wind up with the results we've been getting would probably strain those limits.

 

They better be right about Guzman, is all I'm saying.

Are you the team Comptroller? Let the bean counters worry about profit. I worry when I see Nick Green's or Chris Woodward's name penciled into the starting lineup.

[redsoxrules]

There's a maximum price you should be willing to pay for anything.

 

Cristian Guzman's $8M salary, mediocre decision making and .699 career OPS scream louder than words to me that this is not a price this team should be paying for this shortstop.

 

Guzman OPS in last 3 season

 

2007 846

2008 786

2009 770

 

 

 

I prefer that to Lowrie's 438 OPS this year and Green's 667

 

you?

[Dojji]

Me I say that past performance is a poor predictor of future performance, especially with a SS who also had many mediocre seasons in the American League before joining the Nationals, and who is on the declining side of 30.

[Dipre]

Me I say that past performance is a poor predictor of future performance' date=' especially with a SS who also had many mediocre seasons in the American League before joining the Nationals, and who is on the declining side of 30.[/quote']

 

You just don't learn do you?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Are you the team Comptroller? Let the bean counters worry about profit. I worry when I see Nick Green's or Chris Woodward's name penciled into the starting lineup.

Bad money moves by the Sox can come back to haunt the actual roster, you know.

[Dipre]

Bad money moves by the Sox can come back to haunt the actual roster' date=' you know.[/quote']

 

So having a SS combo of Chris Woodward and Nick Green don't hurt the roster?

[Dojji]

Doesn't hurt 'em at all next year. Guzman might.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

So having a SS combo of Chris Woodward and Nick Green don't hurt the roster?

Times I've said that: 0

[redsoxrules]

Doesn't hurt 'em at all next year. Guzman might.

 

unless we go out and get Hanley ramirez I'd prefer Guzman at our SS next year than Green/woodward/ DL Lowrie

[Dipre]

Times I've said that: 0

 

Times you've answered what was actually a legitimate question: 0

[Dojji]

How much money do you want to sink into shortstop RSR??

 

Hanley's not going to be able to stick at SS indefinitely. I'd still do it since it's a smarter risk than Guzman, but getting Guzman surely makes Hanley less likely.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Me I say that past performance is a poor predictor of future performance' date=' especially with a SS who also had many mediocre seasons in the American League before joining the Nationals, and who is on the declining side of 30.[/quote']

 

What IS a good predictor of future performance?

[Dipre]

unless we go out and get Hanley ramirez I'd prefer Guzman at our SS next year than Green/woodward/ DL Lowrie

 

Well logic would dictate that.

 

Let us await Doiji's response.