All that is Halladay

[Dipre]

I completely agree with this. The Jays are in a neutral position in terms of trading Halladay, not a position of strength. They aren't going anywhere, Halladay is getting older, and the franchise is becoming strapped for cash. Waiting to deal him is only lessening his value.

 

Buchholz, Lowrie, Anderson, AND Exposito????? That is f***ing insane and no team has offered anywhere near that much value for a 32 year old pitcher in a long time. Not even Santana in his prime netted anywhere near that type of package. Plus you figure in that Halladay is owed huge money in about a year and that's an easy decision to turn down.

 

Do you honestly think Ramiro Pena is worth much?

[jacksonianmarch]

Lars, Bowden and Reddick would absolutely get it done.

[TheKilo]

If I'm Theo I absolutely make that deal

[jacksonianmarch]

Do you honestly think Ramiro Pena is worth much?

 

It doesnt matter what you think about Pena, he is worth a good amount. He isnt a stand alone for Halladay, not saying that in the least, but he is certainly a good #2 or #3 guy in the deal. Take a look at what the sox just shelled out for an all glove, no stick Cuban SS who hasnt played an inning in America ($8 million). Pena has the same glove and has proven he can at least hang in the bigs offensively.

[Dipre]

It doesnt matter what you think about Pena' date=' he is worth a good amount. He isnt a stand alone for Halladay, not saying that in the least, but he is certainly a good #2 or #3 guy in the deal. Take a look at what the sox just shelled out for an all glove, no stick Cuban SS who hasnt played an inning in America ($8 million). Pena has the same glove and has proven he can at least hang in the bigs offensively.[/quote']

 

[table]Topic|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.[/table]

[Spudboy]

Lars' date=' Bowden and Reddick would absolutely get it done.[/quote']

 

This would be tempting. But I don't think it would be enough. And I don't think the Sox would make this offer.

[jacksonianmarch]

If I'm Theo I absolutely make that deal

 

He might, who knows. As with all GM's, though, Ricciardi wont accept something right off the bat. He'd probably try to pry away Buchholz instead of Bowden since Bowden has tailed off and might want a 4th in there because Lars isnt hitting as well as he should be at AA. That being said, dealing those three guys would set the sox farm system back a few yrs. Lars and Reddick are your two best and closest offensive prospects. And Bowden fits right in there with Buchholz and Tazawa as the future in the rotation that will se a lot of change over the next 3 seasons, even if Halladay is acquired.

[jacksonianmarch]

[table]Topic|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.[/table]

 

now who's the troll

[Dipre]

now who's the troll

 

How's issuing a perfectly honest response to your yankee knobgobbling trolling?

 

Lol.

 

Ramiro Pena has "a lot of value".

[jacksonianmarch]

How's issuing a perfectly honest response to your yankee knobgobbling trolling?

 

Lol.

 

Ramiro Pena has "a lot of value".

 

you would think that someone without any sort of knowledge about something would shut his mouth, but you keep speaking. I'll be hanging onto this thread for later.

[Dojji]

Ramiro Pena maybe, maybe has some minimal trade value. Maybe. He's probably got more value than a guy like Green if only beause he's younger. But every team in this league has a Ramiro Pena in their system (ours is Argenis Diaz FTR) so he's not a player any other team is going to surrender value for. There are organizational guys who will never sniff the majors who have more value in trade than Ramiro Pena.

[Dipre]

you would think that someone without any sort of knowledge about something would shut his mouth' date=' but you keep speaking. I'll be hanging onto this thread for later.[/quote']

 

Sure i do.

 

I have knowledge of one thing and one thing only.

 

Ramiro Pena sucks.

 

Carry on.

[Dipre]

Ramiro Pena maybe' date=' maybe has some minimal trade value. Maybe. He's probably got more value than a guy like Green if only beause he's younger. But every team in this league has a Ramiro Pena in their system (ours is Argenis Diaz FTR) so he's not a player any other team is going to surrender value for. There are organizational guys who will never sniff the majors who have more value in trade than Ramiro Pena.[/quote']

 

Oh.

 

Look.

 

Reason has entered the thread.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ramiro Pena maybe' date=' maybe has some minimal trade value. Maybe. He's probably got more value than a guy like Green if only beause he's younger. But every team in this league has a Ramiro Pena in their system (ours is Argenis Diaz FTR) so he's not a player any other team is going to surrender value for. There are organizational guys who will never sniff the majors who have more value in trade than Ramiro Pena.[/quote']

 

Once again, someone chiming in who doesnt know much about a player but puts an opinion out there anyway. I am not saying Pena is a superstar in the making. Far from it. But young, switch hitting, slick gloved, speedy, and patient shortstops have value. The sox just proved it by signing a guy with minimal offensive upside but good speed and a great glove to an 8 mil deal. Do you guys not understand the hypocrisy you are spreading here?

[Dipre]

Once again' date=' someone chiming in who doesnt know much about a player but puts an opinion out there anyway. I am not saying Pena is a superstar in the making. Far from it. But young, switch hitting, slick gloved, speedy, and patient shortstops have value. The sox just proved it by signing a guy with minimal offensive upside but good speed and a great glove to an 8 mil deal. Do you guys not understand the hypocrisy you are spreading here?[/quote']

 

[table]Topic|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.[/table]

 

A 1-2 punch!

[jacksonianmarch]

I said nothing about why he wouldnt be. Listen, Dipre, if you dont have any of your own thoughts, continue to allow ORS to be your mouthpiece. I do think he'd like to be cited everytime you use his material, though. Seeing as he did all your thinking for today

[Dipre]

I said nothing about why he wouldnt be. Listen' date=' Dipre, if you dont have any of your own thoughts, continue to allow ORS to be your mouthpiece. I do think he'd like to be cited everytime you use his material, though. Seeing as he did all your thinking for today[/quote']

 

Hey.

 

He's just making our life easier.

 

What you should do is make posts with some sort of substance that can't be answered by the chart.

[Dojji]

In order for switch-hitting to be useful, Pena has to actually hit. It's not a useful attribute all by itself.

 

Ramiro Pena is a living stereotype, and every team in the league has a guy just like him. Some even have speed or some on base ability, but most, like Pena, do not.

 

Ramiro Pena is exactly the same kind of middling quality utility man with a great glove and no bat that you see on benches leaguewide. Most of them wind up as journeymen trying to steal big league playing time wherever they can find it from some team that has a hole at short. Some, like Yuniesky Betancourt, wind up starting and getting signed to ridiculous contracts because a team has a lack of options. Whether they get lucky enough to strike it rich with some desparate team or not, guys like Pena are a dime a dozen and are hardly anything the league hasn't seen before.

[Spudboy]

In order for switch-hitting to be useful, Pena has to actually hit. It's not a useful attribute all by itself.

 

Ramiro Pena is a living stereotype, and every team in the league has a guy just like him. Some even have speed or some on base ability, but most, like Pena, do not.

 

Ramiro Pena is exactly the same kind of middling quality utility man with a great glove and no bat that you see on benches leaguewide. Most of them wind up as journeymen trying to steal big league playing time wherever they can find it from some team that has a hole at short. Some, like Yuniesky Betancourt, wind up starting and getting signed to ridiculous contracts because a team has a lack of options. Whether they get lucky enough to strike it rich with some desparate team or not, guys like Pena are a dime a dozen and are hardly anything the league hasn't seen before.

 

Well said.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

No he didn't

 

You're right, I didn't see ORS's post in that other thread beforehand.

 

you would think that someone without any sort of knowledge about something would shut his mouth

 

So shut up.

[Dipre]

So shut up.

 

Forever.

 

About everything.

[BSN07]

Joe Strauss of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch says the Cardinals are now downplaying a potential Halladay trade, mentioning that they have too little pitching and won't include centerfielder Colby Rasmus in a deal.

 

The Blue Jays told the Yankees and Red Sox they'd prefer to deal Halladay outside of the AL East according to Jon Heyman.

 

 

 

So that leaves(IMO)

Philly

LAD

Colorado

LAA

Detroit

 

 

I'll elaborate on my 1st post now that I'm back and have time.

 

 

I think Colorado could make an attractive package. The could offer Tulo to start with. Barmes can play SS and Eric Young Jr can take over at 2B. That kid is a player. They have a good prospect at Catcher named Rosario. He's blocked by Ianetta anyways. Aneury Rodriguez has a good live arm. May need more time in the minors but he has nice potential. Jhoulys Chacin(P), Dexter Fowler(OF), and Connor Graham(P) are also players that could be part of a deal(1 of them most likely).

 

 

Tulo, Rosario, Rodriguz, Chacin/Fowler/ Graham is a pretty solid package.

[jacksonianmarch]

way too much in this day and age and they wont be able to resign him.

[Dutchy]

Once again' date=' someone chiming in who doesnt know much about a player but puts an opinion out there anyway. I am not saying Pena is a superstar in the making. Far from it. But young, switch hitting, slick gloved, speedy, and patient shortstops have value. The sox just proved it by signing a guy with minimal offensive upside but good speed and a great glove to an 8 mil deal. Do you guys not understand the hypocrisy you are spreading here?[/quote']

 

Jacko, you're wrong. He's a career .259/.319/.321 hitter IN THE MINORS. He's not patient, and he's not worth much at all. So stop being a dick to everyone because they're calling you on your ********.

[msubulldogs21]

I think Colorado could make an attractive package. The could offer Tulo to start with. Barmes can play SS and Eric Young Jr can take over at 2B. That kid is a player. They have a good prospect at Catcher named Rosario. He's blocked by Ianetta anyways. Aneury Rodriguez has a good live arm. May need more time in the minors but he has nice potential. Jhoulys Chacin(P), Dexter Fowler(OF), and Connor Graham(P) are also players that could be part of a deal(1 of them most likely).

 

 

Tulo, Rosario, Rodriguz, Chacin/Fowler/ Graham is a pretty solid package.

 

A team like Colorado is not trading their franchise player (Tulowitzki) as well as other good prospects for a guy who they don't stand a chance at re-signing after 2010. That would be ignorant. I know he's from Denver, but it's not happening.

[Youk Of The Nation]

So that leaves(IMO)

Philly

LAD

Colorado

LAA

Detroit

 

 

I'll elaborate on my 1st post now that I'm back and have time.

 

 

I think Colorado could make an attractive package. The could offer Tulo to start with. Barmes can play SS and Eric Young Jr can take over at 2B. That kid is a player. They have a good prospect at Catcher named Rosario. He's blocked by Ianetta anyways. Aneury Rodriguez has a good live arm. May need more time in the minors but he has nice potential. Jhoulys Chacin(P), Dexter Fowler(OF), and Connor Graham(P) are also players that could be part of a deal(1 of them most likely).

 

 

Tulo, Rosario, Rodriguz, Chacin/Fowler/ Graham is a pretty solid package.

 

No. No no no no no. The Rox are not giving up Graham or Chacin, let alone their franchise SS at the moment, for a half-season rental.

 

Not if I have anything to say about it.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

So that leaves(IMO)

Philly

LAD

Colorado

LAA

Detroit

 

 

I'll elaborate on my 1st post now that I'm back and have time.

 

 

I think Colorado could make an attractive package. The could offer Tulo to start with. Barmes can play SS and Eric Young Jr can take over at 2B. That kid is a player. They have a good prospect at Catcher named Rosario. He's blocked by Ianetta anyways. Aneury Rodriguez has a good live arm. May need more time in the minors but he has nice potential. Jhoulys Chacin(P), Dexter Fowler(OF), and Connor Graham(P) are also players that could be part of a deal(1 of them most likely).

 

 

Tulo, Rosario, Rodriguz, Chacin/Fowler/ Graham is a pretty solid package.

What the f***?

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko' date=' you're wrong. He's a career .259/.319/.321 hitter IN THE MINORS. He's not patient, and he's not worth much at all. So stop being a dick to everyone because they're calling you on your ********.[/quote']

 

He isnt that great of a hitter. I have conceded that. Actually, he is a pretty terrible hitter. He is improving and I do think he will eventually get to the below average range offensively. But guys with his glove are rare, kinda like the guy you guys just signed out of Cuba for 8 mil. He will have worth, I will guarantee you that, and I do think he eventually gets dealt since Nunez is the brighter prospect.

[BSN07]

What the f***?

 

Listen I'm not saying it's likely. I was just made up the package to show that Colorado does have the talent to bring in Halladay. I admit when I mentioned Tulo I thought he was having a much worse year. But the Rox do have some good prospects.

 

Also I think there could be a chance they could resign him. Halladay will be what 34 when he hits the market. The most he could probably get is a 5 year deal, and that's if he has no injury issues from now until then. He's played his entire Career on a 3rd place team that's half way across the country. Maybe he wouldn't mind finishing his career out close to home for a little less money.

 

Helton comes off the books in 2011 if they decline his option, which is likely. They have a lot of other players becoming FA around then too. Including Marquis(09),Cook(11, 2012 option),Atkins(09), Hawpe(10, 2011 option), Street(09), Francis(10, 2011 option). That's basically everyone on the team that makes any sort of money. So they will have cash to spend. They will want to re-sign some of those guys but it's very unlikely they sign all of them.

 

Is Halladay excepting 4/60M from the Rox that unreal?

[Dojji]

He isnt that great of a hitter. I have conceded that. Actually' date=' he is a pretty terrible hitter. He is improving and I do think he will eventually get to the below average range offensively. But guys with his glove are rare, kinda like the guy you guys just signed out of Cuba for 8 mil. He will have worth, I will guarantee you that, and I do think he eventually gets dealt since Nunez is the brighter prospect.[/quote']

 

Guy with his glove are so common I can rattle 10 of them off, good, interesting young players too, without half trying.