Why I'm Not Worried About Smoltz (Yet)

[pedroia_the_destroyah53]

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[Gom]

It's a spot in the rotation. It should be worried about. Right now, I'd take Aceves over Smoltz, hands down. I'd also take Hughes and Buchholz over him.

 

We both have two good starters [i acknowledge your top two are better than our top two] in Beckett/Lester and CC/AJ, one question mark [Joba and Penny] and one tried but true [Wake and Pettite, edge to Wake], and one lost spot. Both teams have enough to fill it, its just that we didn't expect to have this hole. Neither of us.

 

The fact that you are counting on Matsuzaka at all is a joke. He's a five inning pitcher, and a bullpen killer. This will go down as one of the worst deals the Red Sox ever made.

[TheKilo]

Yeah man, 18 wins and a sub 3 ERA last season.

 

Terrible move

[pedroia_the_destroyah53]

Yeah man, 18 wins and a sub 3 ERA last season.

 

Terrible move

 

I think he won a couple big playoff games too.

 

Fire Theo for this.

[BoSox21]

This will go down as one of the worst deals the Red Sox ever made.

 

Seriously, do you just type whatever stupid thought pops into your head, then sit back and go *giggle* tee hee OMFG dese guyz are gunna go nutz over dis *giggle*?

[Dutchy]

It's a spot in the rotation. It should be worried about. Right now, I'd take Aceves over Smoltz, hands down. I'd also take Hughes and Buchholz over him.

 

We both have two good starters [i acknowledge your top two are better than our top two] in Beckett/Lester and CC/AJ, one question mark [Joba and Penny] and one tried but true [Wake and Pettite, edge to Wake], and one lost spot. Both teams have enough to fill it, its just that we didn't expect to have this hole. Neither of us.

 

The fact that you are counting on Matsuzaka at all is a joke. He's a five inning pitcher, and a bullpen killer. This will go down as one of the worst deals the Red Sox ever made.

 

This is a thread about John Smoltz. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Yankees or whether you'd rather have Aceves. And it's not a chance to get shots in at the entire Red Sox rotation.

 

If you want to bash the Red Sox, could you please do that in a Yankees forum? Gom, you know I respect you and you make valid points, but when you do stuff like turning a Smoltz thread into a Yankees rotation is better than yours thread, that is why people get frustrated with you.

[Spudboy]

It's a spot in the rotation. It should be worried about. Right now, I'd take Aceves over Smoltz, hands down. I'd also take Hughes and Buchholz over him.

 

We both have two good starters [i acknowledge your top two are better than our top two] in Beckett/Lester and CC/AJ, one question mark [Joba and Penny] and one tried but true [Wake and Pettite, edge to Wake], and one lost spot. Both teams have enough to fill it, its just that we didn't expect to have this hole. Neither of us.

 

The fact that you are counting on Matsuzaka at all is a joke. He's a five inning pitcher, and a bullpen killer. This will go down as one of the worst deals the Red Sox ever made.

 

This is actually a decent post up till the part about Dice-K. He has won, what, 33 games for the Sox? While most Sox fans are disappointed that he has not proven to be more of what we were hoping for, not many would classify his signing as the worst in Sox history. And I don't think we are sitting around wringing our hands worrying about his status and possible return.

 

The whole idea behind signing Smoltz, Penny, and even Saito, is to build depth in the most important phase of the game. Pitching.

[Gom]

Fine, fine. I won't hijack this thread as usual.

 

However, I think that everyone believed too much on a 40+ year old pitcher who went from pitching most of his career in a weak hitting division to the toughest division in baseball...and said pitcher was coming off a major injury.

 

After years of watching the Yankees sign aging veterans, and liking how they went in a new direction, I am quite happy to see the Red Sox go in the other direction with players such as Saito and Smoltz. All these aging veterans do is clog up space and slow the development of young players.

 

God, I sound like Jacko now. I might as well throw in a DOMINANT, JUST DOMINANT in there.

 

I disgust myself.

[Dutchy]

Fine, fine. I won't hijack this thread as usual.

 

However, I think that everyone believed too much on a 40+ year old pitcher who went from pitching most of his career in a weak hitting division to the toughest division in baseball...and said pitcher was coming off a major injury.

 

After years of watching the Yankees sign aging veterans, and liking how they went in a new direction, I am quite happy to see the Red Sox go in the other direction with players such as Saito and Smoltz. All these aging veterans do is clog up space and slow the development of young players.

 

God, I sound like Jacko now. I might as well throw in a DOMINANT, JUST DOMINANT in there.

 

I disgust myself.

 

As you should. Now could you please go back to being Gom now?

[Rdsxmbnt]

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[Dutchy]

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As far as I know, Buchholz never complained about his mechanics being changed. But the Red Sox did attempt to change his mechanics in 2008 to more of a 3/4s deliver because they felt that was better for his arm. The result was that he lost a lot of tilt on his breaking stuff, and he didn't pitch well. So they scrapped the new delivery and sent him back down to the minors. This year, his delivery is back to normal and he's pitched well again. For reference:

 

2007 (age 22) - 1.77 ERA in 86 innings at AA, 3.96 ERA in 38 innings at AAA, 1.59 ERA in 22 innings at MLB

 

2008 (age 23) - 6.75 ERA in 76 innings at MLB, 1.80 ERA in 15 innings at AA, 2.47 ERA in 43 innings at AAA

 

2009 (age 24) - 2.11 ERA in 93 innings at AAA

[Dipre]

I'm going to make a claim that i have no way of backing up.

 

Jacko lives in his own fantasy world.

 

Who else thinks the Sox are "stuck" with Smoltz?

 

And how many stupid excuses can you make to deny Bucholz's talent?

 

This guy takes Homerism to previously unknown levels.

[Dutchy]

I'm going to make a claim that i have no way of backing up.

 

Jacko lives in his own fantasy world.

 

Who else thinks the Sox are "stuck" with Smoltz?

 

And how many stupid excuses can you make to deny Bucholz's talent?

 

This guy takes Homerism to previously unknown levels.

 

Yeah, you'd think he'd admit he was wrong or back off the constant bashing of Red Sox players once he claimed Smoltz and Penny's shoulders are hanging by strings and both returned and are perfectly healthy. But nope, he maintains that he wasn't wrong because Smotlz hasn't been productive (in 3 starts) and Penny could get hurt at any moment.

 

I don't really think he's here to debate as much as he is to criticize the Red Sox. The other Yankees fans on this site seem like they are here for the purposes of debate and discussion, so I don't have any issue with them. Jacko though... not so much.

 

He acts like he was the neglected red headed step child of the Red Sox throughout his childhood and now he's going to take out his lifelong grudge on the internets.

[BoSox21]

As far as I know, Buchholz never complained about his mechanics being changed. But the Red Sox did attempt to change his mechanics in 2008 to more of a 3/4s deliver because they felt that was better for his arm. The result was that he lost a lot of tilt on his breaking stuff, and he didn't pitch well. So they scrapped the new delivery and sent him back down to the minors. This year, his delivery is back to normal and he's pitched well again. For reference:

 

2007 (age 22) - 1.77 ERA in 86 innings at AA, 3.96 ERA in 38 innings at AAA, 1.59 ERA in 22 innings at MLB

 

2008 (age 23) - 6.75 ERA in 76 innings at MLB, 1.80 ERA in 15 innings at AA, 2.47 ERA in 43 innings at AAA

 

2009 (age 24) - 2.11 ERA in 93 innings at AAA

 

It was argued that Buch had a "2 cent head" cause he bombed in his first shot at the big leagues, apparently complained about his delivery being changed and complained about being in AAA.

 

I don't get the first reason at all, the second one seems to be ******** unless I read otherwise and the third one were comments taken out of context.