How good is Terry Francona??

[The_Destroyah]

Since we're quoting.

 

This is my original take on Francona.

 

I never said he was not a good manager as Doiji would have you believe with his word-twisting machine.

 

And in-game managing is not the most important facet of the game.

 

However, when saying a manager is as good as another, one, he has to be as good in every aspect of the game.

 

Again, how can you compare Francona to LaRussa with a straight face?

 

It baffles me.

 

 

I think the argument warped to "Is Tito HOF worthy?"

and judging by the accomplishments of other HOF managers I would say one more WS would definitely be a good step torwards that.

[Dipre]

I think the argument warped to "Is Tito HOF worthy?"

and judging by the accomplishments of other HOF managers I would say one more WS would definitely be a good step torwards that.

 

But is it assured?

 

Like 2,500-win assured?

[Dojji]

Please spell the differences, Doiji.

 

And again, would you consider LaRussa's tactics "average"?

 

It's simple. Strategy is your general policy on how to attack a problem. Tactics are the minute adjustments you make based on the real situation.

 

for example: Strategy is the decision to keep your starter to a 110-count pitch limit or so in this game and plan the lineup and defense, and which relievers you plan on going to in the course of the game. Tactics is taking a look at the situation and making the call on when to take him out early or maybe push him for one more out, and the use of pinch hitters, pinch runners or defensive replacements.

 

Tito's strategies are usually both good and intuitive. Tactics are always a crapshoot. Yes, even with a guy like LaRussa, the pinch hitter fails to lay down the bunt far more often than he succeeds..

[The_Destroyah]

But is it assured?

 

Like 2,500-win assured?

 

hey Im not comparing him to LaRussa, I already said that was not a good comparison, but I believe there are other managers who have gotten in the HOF with less than 2,500 wins, and would 1500 wins solidify him in the HOF, I believe that 1500 is certainly attainable if Tito stays with Boston is 3-4 WS (maybe even more but Im trying to be conservative) 1500 Ws (give or take some) good enough for the HOF?

[Dipre]

It's simple. Strategy is your general policy on how to attack a problem. Tactics are the minute adjustments you make based on the real situation.

 

for example: Strategy is the decision to keep your starter to a 110-count pitch limit or so in this game and plan the lineup and defense.. Tactics is taking a look at the situation and making the call on when to take him out early or maybe push him for one more out, and the use of pinch hitters, pinch runners ot defensive replacements.

 

Tito's strategies are usually both good and intuitive. Tactics are always a crapshoot. Yes, even with a guy like LaRussa, the pinch hitter fails to lay down the bunt far more often than he succeeds..

 

*Sigh*

 

Strategy and tactics are synonyms, sir.

[The_Destroyah]

Let's not forget that "Tactics" are far more important in the NL than they are in the AL.

[Dipre]

Let's not forget that "Tactics" are far more important in the NL than they are in the AL.

 

This is true.

 

However, they are still of importance.

 

My argument would hold no water if Tito didn't keep making the same mistakes of letting relievers in too far or in disadvantageous situations, starters too long, and refusing to PH in certain situations.

 

Last night was certainly a tease of what Tito is able to do, but doesn't do consistently.

 

Not to mention the "running away in horror" of smallball.

[Dojji]

*Sigh*

 

Strategy and tactics are synonyms, sir.

 

Synonyms don't ALWAYS mean EXACTLY the same thing. It's one of those titchy, quaint little rules of English.

 

 

In military terms, a tactical weapon is something that could take out a heavily armored bunker. A strategic weapon is something that takes out the bunker, and the entire city around it.

 

In WWII, Tactical bombings targeted enemy troops, command posts and facilities to destroy armies, strategic bombings attacked cities and economies to destroy the enemy's ability to replace their armies.

 

Tactics are quite often how you accomplish a strategy.

 

In baseball your strategy is how you attack the entire season, managing the roster, lineup, rotation and bullpen so that you get to October not just as a playoff bound team, but in shape to do something about it. That's partly on Theo but Tito definitely plays his role. It was Grady Little's utter inability to do this well that cost him his job here. As a big picture strategist Tito is superb.

 

Tactics are in-game stuff. Bunts, pinch hitters, pinch runners, defensive replacements, that kind of thing. I think we're too close to Tito to really give him an honest rating of his tactics, since our judgement and the emotions of whether something worked or not will weigh far too heavily into the decision. Also because even the best tactics don't work sometimes and when they don't they can leave the manager looking pretty silly.

[Dipre]

Then explain the difference in military terms between a strategic weapon and a tactical weapon.

 

It's simple. A tactical weapon is something that could take out a heavily armored bunker. A strategic weapon is something that takes out the bunker, and the entire city around it. In WWII, Tactical bombings targeted enemy troops, command posts and occasionally factories, strategic bombings attacked cities and economies.

 

In baseball your strategy is how you attack the entire season, managing the roster, lineup, rotation and bullpen so that you get to October not just as a playoff bound team, but in shape to do something about it. That's partly on Theo but Tito sets the players' roles themselves. As a big picture strategist Tito is superb.

 

Tactics are in-game stuff. Bunts, pinch hitters, pinch runners, defensive replacements, that kind of thing. I think we're too close to Tito to really give him an honest rating of his tactics, since our judgement and the emotions of whether something worked or not will weigh far too heavily into the decision. Also because even the best tactics don't work sometimes and when they don't they can leave the manager looking pretty silly.

 

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/strategy

 

Main Entry: strategy

Part of Speech: noun

Definition: plan of action

Synonyms:

action, angle, approach, artifice, blueprint*, brainchild, craft, cunning, design, game, game plan, gimmick, grand design, layout, maneuvering, method, plan, planning, policy, procedure, program, project, proposition, racket, scenario, scene, scheme, setup, slant, story, subtlety, system, tactics

 

I'm going by what i *think* i know.

 

To me, strategy and tactics are the same thing.

[Dojji]

Synonyms don't always mean exactly the same thing. Usually the thesaurus follows a "rule of close enough" when establishing what is a synonym of what. It's that way with "strategy" and "tactics."

 

For people who know the two words well, "Strategy" implies something grander and more big-picture, while "Tactics" is immediate, close range decision making.

 

Tito's strategic thinking is as solid as they come. His tactics leave some room for argument -- but so doesn't everyone else's.

[Dipre]

Synonyms don't always mean exactly the same thing. Usually the thesaurus follows a "rule of close enough" when establishing what is a synonym of what. It's that way with "strategy" and "tactics."

 

For people who know the two words well, "Strategy" implies something grander and more big-picture, while "Tactics" is immediate, close range decision making.

 

Not trying to be a douche, seeing as i'm ESL, but can you point me somewhere that actually explains this on the level you're claiming.

 

Because it makes no sense to me.

[Dojji]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=strategy+tactics

[The_Destroyah]

I then lets refer to it as In-Game Strategy and Long Term Strategy if it helps clarify it any.

[Dojji]

Change that to "in game tactics" and I'm on board.

[Dipre]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=strategy+tactics

 

That's not funny at all, not only that, it proved nothing.

[Emmz]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=strategy+tactics

 

That wasn't a very condescending tactic/strategy at all that you just used

[Dipre]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=strategy+tactics

 

Wow, you can use stupid macro images to insult me in a medium that affords you anonymity.You're cool. And a hypocrite.

[The_Destroyah]

http://www.geocities.com/wallstreet/8925/stratact.htm

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Difference-Between-Strategy-and-Tactics&id=1558273

[Dojji]

Wow' date=' you can use stupid macro images to insult me in a medium that affords you anonymity.You're cool. And a hypocrite.[/quote']

 

I was actually trying to help there. The usages are pretty darn common.

[The_Destroyah]

No one here has ever read the Art of War?

[Dipre]

I was actually trying to help there. The usages are pretty darn common.

 

Trying to help by telling me to "Google it, because it's not that hard?"

 

I had googled it and presented you with a valid link which you chose to ignore and pull out a definition out of your armpit!

[The_Destroyah]

http://www.geocities.com/wallstreet/8925/stratact.htm

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Difference-Between-Strategy-and-Tactics&id=1558273

[Dipre]

http://www.geocities.com/wallstreet/8925/stratact.htm

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Difference-Between-Strategy-and-Tactics&id=1558273

 

Now THIS was helpful.

[Dojji]

I take it you didn't actually read the links LMGTFY provided?

 

The third one would have answered you quite nicely.

[Emmz]

I was actually trying to help there. The usages are pretty darn common.

 

I do believe Dipre provided a link and a definition, which probably means he googled it himself before hand. I don't think you really attempted to help at all

[The_Destroyah]

well we have definitions and the differences now lets continue the original debate.

[Dojji]

Agreed.

[Dipre]

I do believe Dipre provided a link and a definition' date=' which probably means he googled it himself before hand. I don't think you really attempted to help at all[/quote']

 

Exactly.

 

Anyways, the definitions given to me by T_D are business-administration specific.

 

I'm still fairly certain strategy and tactics are the same thing, specially in military terms, either that, or the significance varies between spanish and english.

[Dojji]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/strategy

 

Synonyms:

1. In military usage, a distinction is made between strategy and tactics. Strategy is the utilization, during both peace and war, of all of a nation's forces, through large-scale, long-range planning and development, to ensure security or victory. Tactics deals with the use and deployment of troops in actual combat.

 

If it applies to probably the two most powerful influences on national culture (business and the military) the distinction can probably be said to exist.

[Dipre]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/strategy

 

Synonyms:

1. In military usage, a distinction is made between strategy and tactics. Strategy is the utilization, during both peace and war, of all of a nation's forces, through large-scale, long-range planning and development, to ensure security or victory. Tactics deals with the use and deployment of troops in actual combat.

 

If it applies to probably the two most powerful influences on national culture (business and the military) the distinction can probably be said to exist.

 

I'd post a translation to you of how they're exactly the same in the spanish language if you're interested.