YOUR All-Star Rosters

[TheKilo]

Premise is simple. Who makes your team following the same standard rules (one individual from each team selected)?

 

Assume the current vote leader gets elected.

 

Starters:

[table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team

C|J. Mauer|MIN|Y. Molina|STL

1B|M. Teixeira|NYY|A. Pujols|STL

2B|I. Kinsler|TEX|C. Utley|PHI

3B|E. Longoria|TB|D. Wright|NYM

SS|D. Jeter|NYY|H. Ramirez|FLA

OF|J. Bay|BOS|R. Ibanez|PHI

OF|Ichiro|SEA|R. Braun|MIL

OF|J. Hamilton|TEX|C. Beltran|NYM[/table]

 

Reserves:

[table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team

C|V. Martinez|CLE|B. McCann|ATL

C|M. Napoli|LAA|R. Hanigan|CIN

1B|K. Youkilis|BOS|A. Gonzalez|SD

IF|A. Hill|TOR|F. Sanchez|PIT

IF|M. Scutaro|TOR|M. Tejada|HOU

3B|B. Inge|DET|R. Zimmerman|WAS

OF|T. Hunter|LAA|J. Upton|ARI

OF|N. Markakis|BAL|B. Hawpe|COL

OF|A. Jones|BAL|M. Kemp|LAD[/table]

 

Pitchers:

[table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team

SP|Z. Grienke|KC|T. Lincecum|SF

SP|J. Verlander|DET|J. Vazquez|ATL

SP|R. Halladay|TOR|Y. Gallardo|MIL

SP|K. Millwood|TEX|M. Cain|SF

SP|M. Buerhle|CWS|C. Billingsley|LAD

SP|E. Jackson|DET|J. Johnson|FLA

SP|CC Sabathia|NYY|T. Lilly|CHC

RP|B. Fuentes|LAA|J. Broxton|LAD

RP|J. Papelbon|BOS|H. Bell|SD

RP|M. Rivera|NYY|F. Rodriguez|NYM

RP|A. Bailey|OAK|R. Franklin|STL

RP|J. Nathan|MIN|H. Street|COL[/table]

[Dojji]

I honestly don't care that much about the ASG. It's little more than a curio to me.

[BoSox21]

then thanks for replying, sport

[Dutchy]

I honestly don't care that much about the ASG. It's little more than a curio to me.

 

Ditto. I LOVE baseball, but I haven't watched the All-Star game since the year it ended in a tie.

[TheKilo]

Then why bother posting in the thread?

 

Anyways, it looks like Hamilton won't be there, so I'd remove him, put Hunter as the starter, and add Jermaine Dye as the next AL OF.

[Cocos Disciples]

Starters:

[table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team

C|J. Mauer|MIN|Y. Molina|STL

1B|M. Teixeira|NYY|A. Pujols|STL

2B|I. Kinsler|TEX|C. Utley|PHI

3B|E. Longoria|TB|D. Wright|NYM

SS|D. Jeter|NYY|H. Ramirez|FLA

OF|J. Bay|BOS|R. Ibanez|PHI

OF|Ichiro|SEA|R. Braun|MIL

OF|J. Hamilton|TEX|C. Beltran|NYM[/table]

 

Reserves:

[table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team

C|V. Martinez|CLE|B. McCann|ATL

C|M. Napoli|LAA|R. Hanigan|CIN

1B|K. Youkilis|BOS|P. Fielder|MIL

IF|I. Kinsler|TEX|F. Sanchez|PIT

IF|J. Bartlett|TB|M. Tejada|HOU

3B|S. Rolen|TOR|R. Zimmerman|WAS

OF|C. Crawford|TB|B. Hawpe|COL

OF|T. Hunter|LAA|M. Kemp|LAD

OF|B. Zobrist|TB|J. Upton|ARI[/table]

 

Pitchers:

[table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team

SP|Z. Grienke|KC|D. Haren|ARI

SP|K. Millwood|TEX|M. Cain|SF

SP|F. Hernandez|SEA|J. Johnson|FLA

SP|J. Weaver|LAA|T. Lincecum|SF

SP|R. Halladay|TOR|J. Vazquez|ATL

SP|E. Jackson|DET|Y. Gallardo|MIL

SP|M. Buehrle|CHW|T. Lilly|CHC

RP|D. Aardsma|SEA|J. Broxton|LAD

RP|J. Papelbon|BOS|H. Bell|SD

RP|M. Rivera|NYY|R. Soriano|ATL

RP|F. Francisco|TEX|R. Franklin|STL

RP|A. Bailey|OAK|F. Rodriguez|NYM[/table]

 

In the AL I had to give Bailey and Buehrle spots over Cliff Lee and George Sherrill because of the 1/team rule. In the NL I had to snub Billingsley for Lilly.

[High Mileage]

How they should be...

 

Starters:

[table]Position|AL Player|Team

C|J. Mauer|MIN

1B|J. Morneau|MIN

2B|I. Kinsler|TEX

3B|E. Longoria|TB

SS|D. Jeter|NYY

OF|J. Bay|BOS

OF|Ichiro|SEA

OF|C. Crawford|TB

SP|Z. Greinke|KC[/table]

[yankees228]

Has Morneau really been better than Teixeira? Teixeira has two more home runs and a slightly higher OPS.

[jacksonianmarch]

C- Mauer

1B- Teixeira

2B- Kinsler

3B- Longoria

SS- Jeter

OF- Ichiro

OF- Bay

OF- Hunter

[Cocos Disciples]

Do I get a prize for following the premise?

[High Mileage]

Has Morneau really been better than Teixeira? Teixeira has two more home runs and a slightly higher OPS.

 

And Morneau has more hits, has scored more runs, a higher average, higher OBP, a higher OPS+, and more total bases.

 

Also, take a look at Tex's numbers when he plays in real ballparks...

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/KScivic/Royals/tex.jpg

 

NOT an All-Star. Not by numbers anyways.

[Cocos Disciples]

Youk overtook Teixeira for the 1B lead, FWIW.

[High Mileage]

Youk overtook Teixeira for the 1B lead' date=' FWIW.[/quote']

 

I placed my 25 for Youk, so I did my part...

[yankees228]

And Morneau has more hits, has scored more runs, a higher average, higher OBP, a higher OPS+, and more total bases.

 

Also, take a look at Tex's numbers when he plays in real ballparks...

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/KScivic/Royals/tex.jpg

 

NOT an All-Star. Not by numbers anyways.

 

It's extremely close. Runs, for what it's worth, shouldn't even be used in the discussion. Anyway, I think you could make a case for either one.

 

Also, I see that Morneau has a higher OPS+ than Teixeira, but Teixeira has a higher OPS. How is this possible and what am I missing?

[High Mileage]

It's extremely close. Runs, for what it's worth, shouldn't even be used in the discussion. Anyway, I think you could make a case for either one.

 

Also, I see that Morneau has a higher OPS+ than Teixeira, but Teixeira has a higher OPS. How is this possible and what am I missing?

 

Not sure. Take a look at Morneau's home/away splits. Home is much better, but his away stats are nowhere near as bad as Teixiera's...

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=morneju01&year=2009&t=b#hmvis

[yankees228]

Not sure. Take a look at Morneau's home/away splits. Home is much better, but his away stats are nowhere near as bad as Teixiera's...

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=morneju01&year=2009&t=b#hmvis

 

His OPS is 15 points higher than Teixeira's. I think you're exaggerating the difference.

[Cocos Disciples]

OPS+ is ballpark adjusted.

[High Mileage]

His OPS is 15 points higher than Teixeira's. I think you're exaggerating the difference.

 

Morneau's numbers on the road are still above average, Teixeira's are well below...

[yankees228]

Morneau's numbers on the road are still above average' date=' Teixeira's are well below...[/quote']

 

In what world is a .845 OPS below average? His only statistic that is really below average is his batting average, which he makes up for by walking.

[yankees228]

OPS+ is ballpark adjusted.

 

Right. Wow, my mistake. Thanks.

[Keeper]

Morneau's numbers on the road are still above average' date=' Teixeira's are well below...[/quote']

 

Gonna have to agree with Y228 here. You're definitely exaggerating the difference.

 

Morneau:

.277/.353/.507 (.860 OPS), 9 HRs, 7 doubles, 27 RBIs, 21 runs scored

 

Teixeira:

.243/.373/.472 (.845 OPS), 7 HRs, 12 doubles, 24 RBIs, 27 runs scored

 

Meanwhile, Youkilis actually has the best road numbers of the three.

 

Youkilis:

.274/.411/.540 (.951 OPS), 6 HRs, 10 doubles, 22 RBIs, 21 runs scored

[Dutchy]

C- Mauer

1B- Teixeira

2B- Kinsler

3B- Longoria

SS- Jeter

OF- Ichiro

OF- Bay

OF- Hunter

 

That's a homer pick. No way Tex deserves it over Youkilis.

 

Youk - .317/.443/.568 before his 2-4, HR today

Tex - .275/.384/*.588

 

*Coors Field East

[TheKilo]

Do I get a prize for following the premise?

 

Yup

[Dutchy]

In what world is a .845 OPS below average? His only statistic that is really below average is his batting average' date=' which he makes up for by walking.[/quote']

 

:dunno: That's a tough one. The real world, maybe?

 

An .845 OPS would rank 15th out of the 25 first baseman who have had 200 AB this year.

 

Teixeira's numbers may be more inflated by his home ballpark than any other player in baseball.

[The_Destroyah]

yeah i got

C-Mauer

1B-Youkilis (maybe a homer pick in some peoples eyes but its not like he is out of the discussion)

2B-Kinsler

3B-Longoria

SS-Jeter

OF-Bay

OF-Hunter

OF-Suzuki

 

NL

C-McCann

1B-Pujols (could it be anyone else)

2B-Utley

3B-Reynolds (you dont have to agree but i like this pick)

SS-Ramirez

OF-Dunn

OF-Braun

OF-Ibanez

 

You might not like my picks but thats the beauty of being able to vote, I get to pick whoever I want.

[yankees228]

:dunno: That's a tough one. The real world, maybe?

 

An .845 OPS would rank 15th out of the 25 first baseman who have had 200 AB this year.

 

Teixeira's numbers may be more inflated by his home ballpark than any other player in baseball.

 

He has a .845 OPS on the road. If you realized that, and the last comment was about Teixeira in general, I apologize. I just thought I would clarify.

 

Anyway, the point is that there is no way you can call Teixeira's road numbers "well below average".

[Dutchy]

He has a .845 OPS on the road. If you realized that, and the last comment was about Teixeira in general, I apologize. I just thought I would clarify.

 

Anyway, the point is that there is no way you can call Teixeira's road numbers "well below average".

 

I realized what the discussion was about. Away from Coors Field East, he's an average hitter. This is no different than pointing out Matt Holliday or Todd Helton's home/away split differentials given what a HUGE boost his numbers get hitting at home.

 

Besides, even with his all around numbers, Youkilis has a dramatically better AVG, OBP and OPS. If he was on the Yankees, you'd pick him in a heart beat.

[The_Destroyah]

hey, I wouldn't be upset if Tex got the nod over Youk because they are both All-Star caliber players and GG firstbasemen, me personally I'd take Youk in a heartbeat and I like to think that its not just because his sox are red but its not like Tex is a bad 1B they are both deserving

[yankees228]

I realized what the discussion was about. Away from Coors Field East, he's an average hitter. This is no different than pointing out Matt Holliday or Todd Helton's home/away split differentials given what a HUGE boost his numbers get hitting at home.

 

Besides, even with his all around numbers, Youkilis has a dramatically better AVG, OBP and OPS. If he was on the Yankees, you'd pick him in a heart beat.

 

I never said I would take Teixeira...

[Dutchy]

I never said I would take Teixeira...

 

Me neither

 

Just said, if Youk was on the Yankees this would be a no-brainer for you. He's the only AL 1B with an OPS over 1.000.