Breaking News: Manny Suspended 50 Games for PEDs

[TheKilo]

So' date=' this is what helped the Sox win their title?[/quote']

 

I take it back, Gom.

 

This is a really weak trolling attempt.

[ORS]

Wow...you really live in your own little world, don't you? A world where the Yankees are evil, the Red Sox are good and honest and clean. I just like a little reality in my life.

 

It's what I've been saying for years. Just written better than I could write it. No Manny, no juice, and Ortiz is nothing more than a scrub player. Your hero, Manny cheated. You don't win without Manny. You know it. So you're great season, the great comeback, was orchestrated by frauds. Great day for Yankee fans.

No, I've never said the good and evil stuff. This is the fantasy you keep telling yourself to place yourself on the false pedestal you do.

 

Look at the path Simmons takes to get to his conclusions, and it's not just about Ortiz or Ramirez. It's thoughtless, mouth breathing drivel. It's the same path you take to your conclusions. There's no surprise they are the same.

 

Look, I have no problem accepting the possibility that any and all players from that team were using something. I just need something more than, "They were good, so they were using". If this is the criteria, every good team is suspect, and therefore, none of them are tainted since they all share the same assumed source of success. Get it. So, that great comeback, came on a level field, right?

[example1]

Great day for Yankee fans.

 

It's funny when the best franchise in sports is reduced to this. Rivera in the high 80's with a sore shoulder, clearly the 3rd best team in the AL East, a stadium that can't sell out seats behind home plate, disappointing production from 400m worth of contracts, a disappointing farm system and repeated steroid concerns of their own, and it's "a great day for Yankee fans".

 

[a700hitter]

It's funny when the best franchise in sports is reduced to this. Rivera in the high 80's with a sore shoulder, clearly the 3rd best team in the AL East, a stadium that can't sell out seats behind home plate, disappointing production from 400m worth of contracts, a disappointing farm system and repeated steroid concerns of their own, and it's "a great day for Yankee fans".

 

Great post. Yankee fans are getting very very bitter. It must be the result of realizing that your team is no longer a prominent team.

[yankees228]

It's funny when the best franchise in sports is reduced to this. Rivera in the high 80's with a sore shoulder, clearly the 3rd best team in the AL East, a stadium that can't sell out seats behind home plate, disappointing production from 400m worth of contracts, a disappointing farm system and repeated steroid concerns of their own, and it's "a great day for Yankee fans".

 

 

For what's worth, Gom's sentiment does not represent the Yankee fans that really have respect for the sport. This doesn't vindicate what the Yankee players have done or may have done. This has nothing to do with the Yankees. This is about one of the best hitters in the history of the game failing a drug test.

[BoSox21]

of course not, Gom is a troll and nothing more

[Gom]

I love this.

 

See, the difference between me and most of you guys is that I accept that the players I root/rooted for did steroids. It sucks, but I'm realistic about it. For all the people that defended Manny, and the great comeback by the Red Sox [or choke by the Yankees, depending on your POV], realize it doesn't happen without your best player doing steroids.

 

Accept it. Accept that Manny, and most likely Papi, are frauds just as much as Arod is. The majority of you can't do it. You can't accept the fact that your championships are tainted by the ugly spectre of steroids.

 

That's why I love it. You won in 2004 and 2007, but your players cheated to win.

 

For everyone of you that loved it when Arod got caught...the shoe's on the other foot. When we laugh about it, we troll..but when you do, it's acceptable? I love the hypocrisy. At least Simmons, an ardent Red Sox fan, accepts it and says..hey...it hurts because it takes away from what his team accomplished. The rest of you, for the most part, are too stupid or proud to admit it. I'm here to remind you.

[Gom]

Look at the path Simmons takes to get to his conclusions, and it's not just about Ortiz or Ramirez. It's thoughtless, mouth breathing drivel. It's the same path you take to your conclusions. There's no surprise they are the same.

Now Simmons writes mouth breathing drivel?

 

So basically, anyone who disagrees with you, whether it be me, or anyone else here, or respected writers in the media, are idiots? We're all idiots, and you're God's gift to baseball knowledge?

 

Is that how it works? Please take your meds in a timely fashion, old man.

[BoSox21]

For all the people that defended Manny' date=' and the great comeback by the Red Sox [or choke by the Yankees, depending on your POV'], realize it doesn't happen without your best player doing steroids.

 

Accept it. Accept that Manny, and most likely Papi, are frauds just as much as Arod is. The majority of you can't do it. You can't accept the fact that your championships are tainted by the ugly spectre of steroids.

 

That's why I love it. You won in 2004 and 2007, but your players cheated to win.

 

What is it you don't understand? The '04 Sox, with a roided Manny, beat the '04 Yankees, with a roided A-Rod and Sheffield. A tainted team beat a tainted team and you know what, you can say that for EVERY SINGLE MAJOR LEAGUE GAME that has been played for at least the last two decades.

 

Guess what, Gom? The Yankees '03 ALCS win....is tainted!

[example1]

I love this.

 

See, the difference between me and most of you guys is that I accept that the players I root/rooted for did steroids. It sucks, but I'm realistic about it. For all the people that defended Manny, and the great comeback by the Red Sox [or choke by the Yankees, depending on your POV], realize it doesn't happen without your best player doing steroids.

 

Accept it. Accept that Manny, and most likely Papi, are frauds just as much as Arod is. The majority of you can't do it. You can't accept the fact that your championships are tainted by the ugly spectre of steroids.

 

That's why I love it. You won in 2004 and 2007, but your players cheated to win.

 

 

You can't show me a single post here where people said "the 2004 championship was won without steroids".

 

You can't. Go. Look for one. Otherwise, your point is baseless and simply a deflection of the fact that your team has been a massive disappointment and you're still bragging about what a great day it is to be a Yankee fan.

 

For what it's worth, Manny Ramirez is suspended and missing 50 games... with the Dodgers. He was traded to get Jason Bay, who may or may not be on steroids, but who is carrying this team offensively right now. Sox fans have no problems with the way things turned out.

[Gom]

What is it you don't understand? The '04 Sox' date=' with a roided Manny, beat the '04 Yankees, with a roided A-Rod and Sheffield. A tainted team beat a tainted team and you know what, you can say that for [b']EVERY SINGLE MAJOR LEAGUE GAME[/b] that has been played for at least the last two decades.

 

Guess what, Gom? The Yankees '03 ALCS win....is tainted!

 

Include Papi there too. Unless you want to believe a player who was a marginal player, was picked up by the Red Sox, gained about 30 pounds of muscle and became a superstar...who strangely, after testing was introduced and bans created, became a crappy player again.

 

Like I said...I accept it. You guys don't. You don't believe it, read the post above this one.

[BoSox21]

We're supposed to accept that Ortiz was on steroids where there is no evidence or even hearsay about it aside from the fact that the guy hitting behind him did roids? And if we don't, we're being hypocrites?

 

Posada hit .338 in 2005 and he's a .277 career hitter, he did steroids. If you don't believe that, you're a hypocrite.

 

Rivera had his best season as a 38 year old, he did steroids. If you don't believe that, you're a hypocrite.

 

Do you even believe the s*** you write up anymore?

[example1]

Include Papi there too. Unless you want to believe a player who was a marginal player, was picked up by the Red Sox, gained about 30 pounds of muscle and became a superstar...who strangely, after testing was introduced and bans created, became a crappy player again.

 

Like I said...I accept it. You guys don't. You don't believe it, read the post above this one.

 

nobody denies that steroids were a problem for every team. show me where they did.

[Gom]

We're supposed to accept that Ortiz was on steroids where there is no evidence or even hearsay about it? And if we don't, we're being hypocrites?

 

Do you even believe the s*** you write up anymore?

 

You really believe he wasnt? What do you really think? No hearsay about it?

 

Try these articles:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/02/19/2009-02-19_arods_pal_the_tainted_trainer_steroidlin.html?page=0

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fmlb%2Fnews%3Fslug%3Dortizsteroids&ei=Gt8ESqrpA8yYtgfrrtCKBw&usg=AFQjCNE1E3uU9_QoqbpC-qEnycGIh1JnXQ&sig2=LHca6gjor0vJQ7ZBxdELeg

 

What we've seen in baseball when it comes to steroids...is that when there is smoke...there's usually fire.

[example1]

We're supposed to accept that Ortiz was on steroids where there is no evidence or even hearsay about it? And if we don't, we're being hypocrites?

 

Do you even believe the s*** you write up anymore?

 

Maybe he was, so what? It is foolish to pretend that no proof is a free pass. Sox still won in 04 and 07 and the Yankees didnt. Gom doesnt want us to enjoy that fact anymore, but he can F himself. He is a season ticket yankee fan, so why should we expect otherwise? Remember, it is a great day to be a yankee fan. 3rd place baby.

[Gom]

We're supposed to accept that Ortiz was on steroids where there is no evidence or even hearsay about it aside from the fact that the guy hitting behind him did roids? And if we don't, we're being hypocrites?

 

Posada hit .338 in 2005 and he's a .277 career hitter, he did steroids. If you don't believe that, you're a hypocrite.

 

Rivera had his best season as a 38 year old, he did steroids. If you don't believe that, you're a hypocrite.

 

Do you even believe the s*** you write up anymore?

 

How am I a hypocrite? I realize that the players on my team do steroids. Do I believe Arod took PEDs as a Yankee? Absolutely. Posada? Probably. Mariano? I'd be surprised, as his velocity has been slowly decreasing over the years...and he's kind of an anomaly anyways in the sense that he's basically made a career out of one pitch, and hasn't gotten bigger than he was as a rookie.

 

Rivera having a career year is more due to....drum roll please....Molina behind the plate more than anything else. Also...relievers have a lot of luck in their ERAs.

[rhet]

Jeter's HR production has dropped dramatically since testing was implemented.

Hmmm...

[BoSox21]

You really believe he wasnt? What do you really think? No hearsay about it?

 

For now, I really don't think he was cause from what we've seen over the past few years, it doesn't matter how big the name is, they get outed. And Ortiz hasn't been named in any legal document or outright accused by anyone and the only "proof" is that he was associated with a trainer who seems to have been friends with every Dominican player or that there might've been something in a shake he drank under a mango tree in the DR as a kid.

[Gom]

[example1]

How am I a hypocrite? I realize that the players on my team do steroids. Do I believe Arod took PEDs as a Yankee? Absolutely. Posada? Probably. Mariano? I'd be surprised, as his velocity has been slowly decreasing over the years...and he's kind of an anomaly anyways in the sense that he's basically made a career out of one pitch, and hasn't gotten bigger than he was as a rookie.

 

Rivera having a career year is more due to....drum roll please....Molina behind the plate more than anything else. Also...relievers have a lot of luck in their ERAs.

 

Name a Yankee star over the past 15 years who you are absolutely certain did not take PEDS at some point... if you cant then we are all in the same boat and everyone is under suspicion. Your all knowing ways have the same limits as ours Gom, and yet again you are no more clear headed or unbiased as most here.

[BoSox21]

How am I a hypocrite? I realize that the players on my team do steroids. Do I believe Arod took PEDs as a Yankee? Absolutely. Posada? Probably. Mariano? I'd be surprised, as his velocity has been slowly decreasing over the years...and he's kind of an anomaly anyways in the sense that he's basically made a career out of one pitch, and hasn't gotten bigger than he was as a rookie.

 

Rivera having a career year is more due to....drum roll please....Molina behind the plate more than anything else. Also...relievers have a lot of luck in their ERAs.

 

yea...you're full of excuses for Rivera but don't give Ortiz any benefit of the doubt. Guess what, Brian Roberts never got any bigger either...

 

answer me this, is the pennant the Yankees won in '03 tainted? are any of the WS titles they won in the late 90s tainted?

[rhet]

yea...you're full of excuses for Rivera but don't give Ortiz any benefit of the doubt. Guess what, Brian Roberts never got any bigger either...

 

answer me this, is the pennant the Yankees won in '03 tainted? are any of the WS titles they won in the late 90s tainted?

 

Take away those Giambi HRs in the 03 ALCS and NY loses.

[Gom]

Jeter's HR production has dropped dramatically since testing was implemented.

Hmmm...

 

ROFLMAO!!!!

 

Jeter's home run total? Holy s***, that was funny.

Name a Yankee star over the past 15 years who you are absolutely certain did not take PEDS at some point... if you cant then we are all in the same boat and everyone is under suspicion. Your all knowing ways have the same limits as ours Gom' date=' and yet again you are no more clear headed or unbiased as most here.[/quote']

None. I'd be surprised if Rivera took roids..but that's biased as he's my favorite player, and really nice guy who I've met. Same with Bernie. I'd be surprised at Jeter as well.

 

Am I certain that anyone didn't do it? Not at all.

 

yea...you're full of excuses for Rivera but don't give Ortiz any benefit of the doubt. Guess what, Brian Roberts never got any bigger either...

 

answer me this, is the pennant the Yankees won in '03 tainted? are any of the WS titles they won in the late 90s tainted?

Rivera didn't come out of nowhere, join a new team, and then miraculously turn around and become a great hitter. He also didn't drop off the face of the earth after stricter steroid testing was introduced.

 

Of course they're tainted. I will never again have that pure joy of really winning a championship. That feeling of winning a championship due to clutch, or heart, etc. is gone. Now, the team that has the best masking agent wins.

[BoSox21]

Take away those Giambi HRs in the 03 ALCS and NY loses.

 

Take away Manny's production and the Sox don't even get to Game 7

 

My point is for the last few decades, its been juiced up teams beating juiced up teams, that's just the way baseball was/is

[rhet]

Manny's contribution to both championships is overrated.

[Cocos Disciples]

Manny's contributions to both championships is overrated.

 

Holy s***.

[BoSox21]

Rivera didn't come out of nowhere, join a new team, and then miraculously turn around and become a great hitter. He also didn't drop off the face of the earth after stricter steroid testing was introduced.

 

going from 20 homers to 31 is a miraculous turn around?

 

look, its always been in the back of my mind that Ortiz could have done steroids but if names like Clemens, Bonds, Sheffield, Giambi, Palmeiro, Rodriguez and Ramirez can be outed, I'll wait and see if Ortiz gets outed. Until then, I'll believe he didn't do them and not go by circumstantial evidence.

 

but I'm glad you at least acknowledge the last four Yankee titles and the last six WS appearances are tainted just like I believe the last two Sox WS titles are tainted but in a twisted way, its justified cause it was tainted teams beating tainted teams and if anyone believes the Sox happened to be the only clean team yet somehow are the premier organization in baseball in this century, you're being naive

[jacksonianmarch]

I would be surprised if Rivera and Bernie ever juiced. Rivera, mostly because he works short innings, has pristine mechanices, has a big frame and works off one pitch. I think that helped his longevity more than anything. Bernie mostly because he got fatter and started to suck at around 32, 33.

[BoSox21]

who the hell brought up Bernie? there's no way someone hopped up on roid rage could make sweet love to a guitar like he does

[example1]

None. I'd be surprised if Rivera took roids..but that's biased as he's my favorite player, and really nice guy who I've met. Same with Bernie. I'd be surprised at Jeter as well.

 

Am I certain that anyone didn't do it? Not at all.

 

So, how are those of us who are in the same position--skeptical of just about everyone, pretty confident in some certain players, and still fans of our hometown team--being hypocritical if we celebrate our team winning and your team losing?

 

I'm pretty confident that guys like Mueller and Dave Roberts didn't use. I can't be sure, but I'm pretty confident. At the same time, I acknowledge fully that it isn't a coincidence that the 2003 and 2004 teams had some of the highest SLG in history. That said, they still beat the Yankees, who were also enhancing their performance--as were the Royals, White Sox, Blue Jays, Marlins, Giants, Cubs, etc.,