2009 Yankees Game Thread

[a700hitter]

How do you know that he would have just missed that game? It's very possible that MLB would not be more lenient simply because it's the World Series. That is a chance that Piazza has no right to take. Considering what the entire organization had at stake' date=' it would have been an awful decision.[/quote']Clemens pulled a total psycho move. There was no rational explanation ever given by him. Nothing would have happened to Piazza beyond the 1 game ejection. The World Series was over as of that moment. Leiter was there. He knows what he is talking about. He knows that the Mets went like lambs to the slaughter after that.

[yankees228]

Clemens pulled a total psycho move. There was no rational explanation ever given by him. Nothing would have happened to Piazza beyond the 1 game ejection. The World Series was over as of that moment. Leiter was there. He knows what he is talking about. He knows that the Mets went like lambs to the slaughter after that.

 

So I'm going to assume that you had a conversation with Bud Selig and he told you that Piazza was not going to be suspended beyond that game. You're very well connected a700.

[a700hitter]

So I'm going to assume that you had a conversation with Bud Selig and he told you that Piazza was not going to be suspended beyond that game. You're very well connected a700.

The Series couldn't have turned out worse for the Mets could it? I am fairly certain that if Piazza had charged the mound after Clemens fired the chard of a broken bat at him that he would not have been given anything more than the ejection. Baseball was still buzzing about Clemens deliberate beaning of Piazza in July.

[yankees228]

The Series couldn't have turned out worse for the Mets could it? I am fairly certain that if Piazza had charged the mound after Clemens fired the chard of a broken bat at him that he would not have been given anything more than the ejection. Baseball was still buzzing about Clemens deliberate beaning of Piazza in July.

 

How the series turned out for the Mets is completely irrelevant. You have to go back to that moment. You're fairly certain, but it's a chance that cannot be taken.

[a700hitter]

How the series turned out for the Mets is completely irrelevant. You have to go back to that moment. You're fairly certain' date=' but it's a chance that cannot be taken.[/quote']Leiter was on the bench. He saw how things played out. Piazza played the part of the pussy. It was a spkit second decision and Piazza made the wrong one. After getting knocked unconscious by Clemens in July, no one would have blamed him for charging Clemens after throwing a lethal weapon (the broken bat) at him. His failure to act clearly deflated his team That was easily observed. By not being selfish, Piazza looked like a wimp and failed to rally his team

[yankees228]

I said back when the lead was much larger that this was not 2006 again. At some point the Red Sox were going to close the gap. I stuck by that, and here you go. The lead looks like it might be on it's way to 4 games in the loss column by the end of the night.

 

Jacko, Gom, Optimist...still think the division is an absolute lock?

[yankees228]

Leiter was on the bench. He saw how things played out. Piazza played the part of the pussy. It was a spkit second decision and Piazza made the wrong one. After getting knocked unconscious by Clemens in July' date=' no one would have blamed him for charging Clemens after throwing a lethal weapon (the broken bat) at him. His failure to act clearly deflated his team That was easily observed. By not being selfish, Piazza looked like a wimp and failed to rally his team[/quote']

 

Yeah, it deflated the team to the point where they were able to come out and win game three.

[a700hitter]

Yeah' date=' it deflated the team to the point where they were able to come out and win game three.[/quote']It's my opinion. Apparently, some of the Mets agree with me.

[yankees228]

It's my opinion. Apparently' date=' some of the Mets agree with me.[/quote']

 

Well, I don't put any stock into all those things, and I think the fact that they won game three proves that they weren't deflated. They lost game four by one run and game five on an extremely lucky Luis Sojo single. It's not like they got killed in this series. The Mets easily could have been the team that win in five games.

 

Anyway, clearly neither of us are going to convince each other.

[a700hitter]

Well, I don't put any stock into all those things, and I think the fact that they won game three proves that they weren't deflated. They lost game four by one run and game five on an extremely lucky Luis Sojo single. It's not like they got killed in this series. The Mets easily could have been the team that win in five games.

 

Anyway, clearly neither of us are going to convince each other.

I'll take Leiter's side over yours in this argument. Afterall, he lived it.

[yankees228]

I'll take Leiter's side over yours in this argument. Afterall' date=' he lived it.[/quote']

 

He never said it took anything out of him emotionally. So you're not taking his side. And I'm not one to put so much faith in the opinions of players. For one they're prone to the "Well we played the game so we know all" mentality, and, second, displays absolute ignorance such as electing Rafael Palmiero a gold glove winner when he played less than thirty games at first base brings into question their intelligence.

[yankees228]

Hopefully they don't pay here for the ridiculous decision to bat Jerry Hairston Jr. second.

[yankees228]

HOW THE f*** CAN YOU HAVE THE SECOND WORST HITTER IN THE LINEUP HITTING SECOND. JOE GIRARDI, YOU ARE SO AWFUL.

[yankees228]

Hey, but thank god we got rid of that piece of s*** Joe Torre. Girardi might bat the second worst hitter in the lineup second, but Torre is such an idiot that he would probably have Mariano Rivera playing left field and batting second.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Really thought you were serious for a second. Then I observed your sig.

[Optimist]

Jacko' date=' Gom, Optimist...still think the division is an absolute lock?[/quote']

 

Absolutely.

 

Yanks can go 7 - 9 (including tonight) and walk away with 100 wins. To match that, the Sox would have to go 15 - 4. Very, very unlikely.

[a700hitter]

He never said it took anything out of him emotionally. So you're not taking his side.

He did say that he would have been okay with Piazza charging the mound. I agree with him. He must have had some reasons to come to that conclusion. Maybe they are the same as mine, maybe they are not, but we agree that Piazza should have charged the mound.

 

And I'm not one to put so much faith in the opinions of players. For one they're prone to the "Well we played the game so we know all" mentality' date=' and, second, displays absolute ignorance such as electing Rafael Palmiero a gold glove winner when he played less than thirty games at first base brings into question their intelligence.[/quote']You do realize that this is just babble. I suspect it is the result of your distress over watching Happy Hairston bat with the bases loaded in the 7th inning with the Yankees trailing by two runs.

[yankees228]

Absolutely.

 

Yanks can go 7 - 9 (including tonight) and walk away with 100 wins. To match that, the Sox would have to go 15 - 4. Very, very unlikely.

 

The schedule really favors the Red Sox after after this week, while the Yankees have to go out to the West Coast. The Red Sox are playing really well, while the Yankees are not. You can't honestly tell me that you don't think the possibility exists that the Red Sox might be reasonably close by the time next Friday roles around.

 

Look, I still think the Yankees will win the division, but it's ridiculous to say that it's a lock.

[yankees228]

a700, you're putting words in Al Leiter's mouth. He never said Piazza should have charged the mound. He said he would have been OK if he did do it. He also added that he was OK with the way it turned out.

[yankees228]

Really thought you were serious for a second. Then I observed your sig.

 

I'm not exactly Joe Girardi's biggest fan.

[a700hitter]

a700' date=' you're putting words in Al Leiter's mouth. He never said Piazza should have charged the mound. He said he would have been OK if he did do it. He also added that he was OK with the way it turned out.[/quote']You are really parsing words now. I also would have been "OK" with Piazza charging the mound. Is this really a big distinction?

[yankees228]

You are really parsing words now. I also would have been "OK" with Piazza charging the mound. Is this really a big distinction?

 

Yes, being OK with either decision and saying he should have charged the mound is a big difference.

[yankees228]

Well, that was big. Not a bad pitch. NYS probably helped but I'll take it.

[a700hitter]

Yes' date=' being OK with either decision and saying he should have charged the mound is a big difference.[/quote']Really? Explain the big difference.

[yankees228]

Really? Explain the big difference.

 

Being indifferent towards the situation and feeling strongly one way is not different?

[Optimist]

The Red Sox are playing really well' date=' while the Yankees are not. [/quote']

 

The Yankees are 10 - 5 this month....Sox are 9 - 4, basically identical. How's one playing "really well" and the other isn't?

 

The Yankees are very likely to win the division. It's probably not a "lock"...but it's as close as it can possibly be.

[a700hitter]

Being indifferent towards the situation and feeling strongly one way is not different?

Being okay with something is not being indifferent. He is saying that he would have approved of the action. That's not indifference.

[yankees228]

Being okay with something is not being indifferent. He is saying that he would have approved of the action. That's not indifference.

 

But, at the same time, he also approved of Piazza's decision. I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that he would have been OK with it. I guess I'm in the minority.

[yankees228]

The Yankees are 10 - 5 this month....Sox are 9 - 4, basically identical. How's one playing "really well" and the other isn't?

 

The Yankees are very likely to win the division. It's probably not a "lock"...but it's as close as it can possibly be.

 

I really meant over the last couple series. They did not play well against Baltimore and they have not played well against Toronto. On the other hand the Red Sox, especially their pinching, has been great since the CWS series.

[a700hitter]

But' date=' at the same time, he also approved of Piazza's decision. [/quote']Maybe because he doesn't want to be critical of a former team mate. Maybe he's expressing his opinion while trying to be diplomatic. I think you need to read between the lines. He's not the only Met on that team that feels that he should have charged the mound. They just don't want to be publicly critical. The fact that Leiter said as much as he did speaks volumes.