2009 Yankees Game Thread

[TheKilo]

Man, Tex has come down to earth hasn't he?

[Dutchy]

Man' date=' Tex has come down to earth hasn't he?[/quote']

 

He's been down to earth all year away from his lifeblood Yankee Stadium. He's hit .243/.373/.472. Without those NYS home runs, his numbers look pretty mediocre.

[yankees228]

I'm not sure how cheap a 380 foot home run is. Especially considering that the wind current pushes balls away from left field.

 

You could be right, but it also wasn't hit to left center as you initially said. It was really straight away left. I've seen a number of HR's hit to left field this year that really didn't seem like they were struck too well.

 

I understand that the commonly accepted theory is that the ball park really only plays small to right. In my opinion, to a lesser degree, it also plays small to left.

[yankees228]

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200906135029303&c_id=nyy

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200905254718321&c_id=nyy

 

Those are a couple that I remember off the top of my head.

[Dutchy]

You could be right, but it also wasn't hit to left center as you initially said. It was really straight away left. I've seen a number of HR's hit to left field this year that really didn't seem like they were struck too well.

 

I understand that the commonly accepted theory is that the ball park really only plays small to right. In my opinion, to a lesser degree, it also plays small to left.

 

As the announcers have said a few times this game, the wind blows towards right field in Yankee Stadium. That would make home runs to left more difficult. Maybe the ball does carry more than usual to left sometimes, but still, that was a 380 foot home run.

[yankees228]

Is it really fair to make the argument based on distance?

 

I think most people would say that Matsui's HR yesterday was helped by the stadium. It traveled 379 feet.

[Dutchy]

Is it really fair to make the argument based on distance?

 

I think most people would say that Matsui's HR yesterday was helped by the stadium. It traveled 379 feet.

 

I don't think it's any less fair than making an argument based on conjection, that the ball might carry well to left. I've yet to see any statistical or visual evidence that the ball carries more than normal to left field in Yankee Stadium. A lot of balls I've seen hit to left tail off towards center. So I don't have any reason to believe that the home run to left wasn't legit.

 

And even if the ball does carry well to left, it still carried 380 feet. It's not like those 320-330 foot home runs to right field.

[yankees228]

I don't think it's any less fair than making an argument based on pure conjection. I've yet to see any statistical or visual evidence that the ball carries more than normal to left field in Yankee Stadium. In fact' date=' I've seen just the opposite. Often the balls tail off towards center field when they're hit to left. So I don't have any reason to believe that a 380 foot home run to left wasn't legit.[/quote']

 

I'm acknowledging that it's nothing more than conjecture. I've stated more than once that it's just my opinion.

[Dutchy]

I'm acknowledging that it's nothing more than conjecture. I've stated more than once that it's just my opinion.

 

Right, so then I don't understand how it's unfair for me to claim I think the home run was legit because it was hit 380 feet to left, yet you're claiming it wasn't a legit home run based on pure conjecture.

[Dutchy]

John Mcdonald (lolwut!) just hit a home run off Pettitte. That's his first of the year.

 

5-1 Jays

[yankees228]

Right' date=' so then I don't understand how it's unfair for me to claim I think the home run was legit because it was hit 380 feet to left, yet you're claiming it wasn't a legit home run based on pure conjecture.[/quote']

 

The only point I was trying to make about the distance is that I think there are a lot of balls that are hit to right field that people would say are Yankee Stadium homers, but still travel pretty far.

 

Anyway, if Andy continues to go to three ball counts he is going to keep getting beat. This is as well as he can throw the ball, in my opinion. The fact that he has given up five runs says a lot.

[Dutchy]

The only point I was trying to make about the distance is that I think there are a lot of balls that are hit to right field that people would say are Yankee Stadium homers, but still travel pretty far.

 

Anyway, if Andy continues to go to three ball counts he is going to keep getting beat. This is as well as he can throw the ball, in my opinion. The fact that he has given up five runs says a lot.

 

If it would have been a home run in most ballparks, then it's not a Yankee Stadium home run. The only time I think people fairly claim a ball hit to right field was a Yankee Stadium home run is when it gets into the first section of seats where the wall is around 350 feet or less from home plate.

[yankees228]

If it would have been a home run in most ballparks' date=' then it's not a Yankee Stadium home run. The only time people fairly claim a ball hit to right field was a Yankee Stadium home run is when it gets into the first section of seats where the wall is less than 350 feet from home plate.[/quote']

 

But if you think the wind currents are a factor, then those balls would not be home runs in most ballparks, or at least not go as far.

[Dutchy]

Wow, Wells killed that ball. I thought it was going out but it hit the wall in left.

[Dutchy]

But if you think the wind currents are a factor' date=' then those balls would not be home runs in most ballparks, or at least not go as far.[/quote']

 

You're right. If someone hits a ball 380 feet to right-center in Yankee Stadium and it just clears the wall, I'd probably chalk it up to Yankee Stadium because of that wind current out there. But as far as I know, there is no wind current out towards left.

[yankees228]

And you very well might be right. I just think there have been a number of home runs to left that were not struck well enough to get out.

[TheKilo]

Is there a bigger albatross of a contract in the majors than Vernon Wells?

[Dutchy]

2 RBI Double for Rolen. This one's starting to get out of hand.

 

7-1 Jays

[Dutchy]

Is there a bigger albatross of a contract in the majors than Vernon Wells?

 

Barry Zito anyone? He'll be earning $20 million from the Giants in 2013. And has a $7 million buyout for his option in 2014.

[yankees228]

Well, at least for the time being, I think Phil Hughes has now found himself in the 8th inning role.

[TheKilo]

Barry Zito anyone? He'll be earning $20 million from the Giants in 2013. And has a $7 million buyout for his option in 2014.

Good one

[Dutchy]

Well' date=' at least for the time being, I think Phil Hughes has now found himself in the 8th inning role.[/quote']

 

Yeah, I think Aceves is a hell of a pitcher as well. But with his ability to go 2-3 innings on a regular basis, the Yankees would lose a lot of his value confining him to 8th inning duties.

[Dipre]

Is there a bigger albatross of a contract in the majors than Vernon Wells?

 

Barry Zito.

 

Regarding NYS, iirc, the "wind tunnel" as they call it is located from right center to right.

[Dutchy]

Calm down Michael Kay. The rule is that the baserunner has to be able to reach the bag with their arm when they're sliding into second or they're called out. Hinske was way out of the baseline. And even if the umpire didn't call Hinske out, Scutaro would have turned around and tagged him out.

 

You can't blame your team losing 7-1 on the umpires.

[Dipre]

Gaston is reaching Girardi levels of stupidity.

 

Romero should have been out of there after Melky singled.

[Dutchy]

2 RBI single for Nick Swisher.

 

7-3 Jays

[Dutchy]

League is absolutely filthy. I think he's a future closer.

[Dutchy]

Add Brandon League to the list of players I have a mancrush on. I don't know another reliever who can match his stuff.

[yankees228]

Really bad approach by Teixeira and A-Rod, in my opinion. Swisher's AB should have been the model for Teixeira and A-Rod. All three guys got good pitches to hit on the first pitch. One of them swung, and he hit it hard. You can't get behind against someone like League.

[Dutchy]

Really bad approach by Teixeira and A-Rod' date=' in my opinion. Swisher's AB should have been the model for Teixeira and A-Rod. All three guys got good pitches to hit on the first pitch. One of them swung, and he hit it hard. You can't get behind against someone like League.[/quote']

 

The first pitch to Tex was NASTY. It was a 2-seemer that started at his hip and ended up on the outside of the plate at his knees. I don't remember what A-Rod got for a first pitch. I think I was busy declaring my mancrush on League.