2009 Yankees Game Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

Hughes should not go to the pen. Period. Next yr, we have a hole in the rotation. Hughes is 22. He's the best pitching prospect per se that we have. Pettitte's gone after this yr. We'll have a hole in the rotation. Hughes should be able to fill it. What I find funny is that your stance on him changes on a whim. One game, he's lights out and "he can be an asset." The next game, he shits the bed and he's f***ing terrible. HE'S A 22 YR OLD PITCHER WHO HAS THREE NEW PITCHES THIS SEASON! He shouldnt even be in the majors right now. The pitcher he will be in 2010 will far overshadow the inconsistent pitcher he is now.

[Dipre]

Hughes should not go to the pen. Period. Next yr' date=' we have a hole in the rotation. Hughes is 22. He's the best pitching prospect per se that we have. Pettitte's gone after this yr. We'll have a hole in the rotation. Hughes should be able to fill it. What I find funny is that your stance on him changes on a whim. One game, he's lights out and "he can be an asset." The next game, he shits the bed and he's f***ing terrible. HE'S A 22 YR OLD PITCHER WHO HAS THREE NEW PITCHES THIS SEASON! He shouldnt even be in the majors right now. [b'] The pitcher he will be in 2010 will far overshadow the inconsistent pitcher he is now.[/b]

 

Hey Jacko,when you can, please PM me the address of the place where you bought your crystal ball, 'cause if you can predict the future, i'd like to be able to as well, so i can find out next week's lotto numbers.

 

Thanks.

[Gom]

Hughes should not go to the pen. Period.

Another example of why you're a clueless idiot. You are ridiculously stupid. It boggles the mind. Seriously, I couldn't be as wrong as you are if I TRIED. Let's take a look at the top 14 active pitchers in ERA and see who started out of the bullpen [not counting Rivera and Kerry wood, who did it the other way].

 

Johan Santana

Pedro Martinez

Roy Halladay

Carlos Zambrano

Derek Lowe

 

Five, you wretched blob of vaginal phlegm. ONE-THIRD [a little over, but who's counting?]! Three sure-fire, first ballot Hall of Famers out of the five. Would you say there is a precedent for doing so? Idiot.

 

Hughes has nothing to prove in the minors. Throughout the course of baseball history, young pitchers learned to pitch in the majors out of the bullpen, then went to the rotation. All you have to do is look at your own f***ing team, you imbecile..you have proof of that every 5th day..in face...TONIGHT! When Joba starts!

 

Anyone who is any good is up here. So Hughes can dominate in the minors. Let him learn how to pitch here. Let him hone his craft up here. If he can't cut it up here as a reliever, then he's a non-prospect. A pitcher is a pitcher. If you're good, you're good. That's why Smoltz and Wood and Eckersley made the transition the other way.

 

Next yr, we have a hole in the rotation. Hughes is 22. He's the best pitching prospect per se that we have. Pettitte's gone after this yr. We'll have a hole in the rotation. Hughes should be able to fill it. What I find funny is that your stance on him changes on a whim. One game, he's lights out and "he can be an asset." The next game, he shits the bed and he's f***ing terrible. HE'S A 22 YR OLD PITCHER WHO HAS THREE NEW PITCHES THIS SEASON! He shouldnt even be in the majors right now. The pitcher he will be in 2010 will far overshadow the inconsistent pitcher he is now.

How do you know these things? Who'se to say that we won't go out and get another starting pitcher? Assuming [i hope] that the Yankees bring back Damon at a pay cut to 10 million, that leaves them with $27 million off the books for Matsui, Nady, and Pettitte. Plenty enough to get a good starting pitcher and outfielder. The only way Hughes makes it is if he shows something UP HERE. Not in Scranton. I'd trust Hughes [it makes me sick to put "trust" and "Hughes" in the same sentence] more than Veras or Albaladejo.

 

No one outside of you and your tube sock want's Hughes to succeed more than me. That means the YANKEES are doing well. Would I be happy if Hughes won the World Series MVP? Sure. You'd gloat, but my team would WIN. I'll happily eat crow if they win it all or if he becomes a top of the rotation starter. However, I envision him as a #4 at best on a good team, and a #3 on an average team. That's his CEILING, in my mind.

There is no way someone as dumb as you is a Doctor. You're probably some mail clerk. Once again, we have no proof...just like the 2008 and 2009 Posada/Molina proof we've been waiting on.

[Dipre]

you wretched blob of vaginal phlegm.

 

I don't know wether to be amazed or disgusted at the sheer graphical nature of this quote, but either way, it made me LOL.

[yankees228]

It could be argued that for Hughes to further develop he should be starting every five days. Therefore, if Wang is healthy, the only place he can do that is the minors.

 

However, Gom's argument is valid as well, and is the one I tend to agree with.

[Dipre]

It could be argued that for Hughes to further develop he should be starting every five days. Therefore, if Wang is healthy, the only place he can do that is the minors.

 

However, Gom's argument is valid as well, and is the one I tend to agree with.

 

You should, it's true that Hughes has nothing left to prove in the minors, and he might be able to settle in much better out of the 'pen, just like Chamberlain did before him.

[yankees228]

You should' date=' it's true that Hughes has nothing left to prove in the minors, and he might be able to settle in much better out of the 'pen, just like Chamberlain did before him.[/quote']

 

Obviously he has nothing left to prove, but it might give him more of an opportunity to work on certain things and further develop as a pitcher (such as working on his change up).

[Dipre]

Obviously he has nothing left to prove' date=' but it might give him more of an opportunity to work on certain things and further develop as a pitcher (such as working on his change up).[/quote']

 

What Hughes needs to further develop as a pitcher is to log meaningful innings, since he has his bread-and-butter (4-seam and Curve Ball) up to the point where he can work on his secondary pitches during the offseason and start pitching in the games that count now.

[yankees228]

What Hughes needs to further develop as a pitcher is to log meaningful innings' date=' since he has his bread-and-butter (4-seam and CB) up to the point where he can work on his secondary pitches during the offseason and start pitching in the games that count now.[/quote']

 

He is not going to be able to log that many meaningful innings on a consistent basis if he is pitching out of the bullpen. One of the main things that is separating him from being a better starting pitcher, in my opinion, is his lack of third pitch. Hughes has a change up, but it is very inconsistent. He might have a better chance to develop that in the minors, where, again, he is starting every five days.

 

I agree with you that he should be in the Yankees' bullpen, but it is not as black and white as you're making it out to be.

[Dipre]

He is not going to be able to log that many meaningful innings on a consistent basis if he is pitching out of the bullpen. One of the main things that is separating him from being a better starting pitcher, in my opinion, is his lack of third pitch. Hughes has a change up, but it is very inconsistent. He might have a better chance to develop that in the minors, where, again, he is starting every five days.

 

I agree with you that he should be in the Yankees' bullpen, but it is not as black and white as you're making it out to be.

 

Nothing is black and white in baseball.

 

It's just choosing the lesser of two evils.

[Cocos Disciples]

 

Johan Santana

Pedro Martinez

Roy Halladay

Carlos Zambrano

Derek Lowe

 

Five, you wretched blob of vaginal phlegm. ONE-THIRD [a little over, but who's counting?]! Three sure-fire, first ballot Hall of Famers out of the five. Would you say there is a precedent for doing so? Idiot.

 

Halladay is hardly a sure fire HOFer, at least not yet. But that's nitpicky.

[yankees228]

Halladay is hardly a sure fire HOFer' date=' at least not yet. But that's nitpicky.[/quote']

 

And neither is Santana, at this point in his career.

[BoSox21]

I wouldn't say Santana is a sure fire HOFer either

[yankees228]

Nothing is black and white in baseball.

 

It's just choosing the lesser of two evils.

 

Obviously, but my argument is that both actually make sense.

[Cocos Disciples]

Concur'd on Santana.

[jacksonianmarch]

He just doesnt get it. I do find it funny that he continues to attack my profession though. Maybe he's just jealous. Either way, he can say what he wants. In terms of the Hughes point, it has nothing to do with the pitchers who were relievers and became starters. It has everything to do with the fact that Hughes has 3 completely new pitches to master. And it is obvious that he hasnt gotten there yet. His knuckle curve is new. Granted, he's been throwing the curve since he came to NY, the tighter, faster curve is a new phenomenon and he needs to master it. He also is throwing a cutter and a 2 seamer, something he has limited experience with. THat drastic an arsenal change in such a young and unfinished product should necessitate some minor league time to get comfortable with it. If he goes to the pen, he'll go back to being the 4 seamer, curve guy he was a yr ago, and that guy couldnt get anyone out. And as is right now. If he continues to throw 93-94 and show the kind of stuff he has, his ceiling is a lot higher than a #4. But then again, it is difficult for Gom to compute data. The only data he can compute is the sales tax on the squishee he's selling.

[yankees228]

Agreed 100%. It's a tough decision. I know I stated earlier in the thread that I would lean towards keeping him in the bullpen, but a lot of it depends on what the Yankees plan to do. If they plan on letting Hughes take Pettitte's place in the rotation next year, then he should probably go back down to the minors so he can start consistently.

 

This isn't about how well he has done in the minor leagues, it's about putting him where he can start every five days.

[rician blast]

 

The announcers made a point today. Maybe if he lets it all out in the pen, he can be an asset.

 

What announcers? if it was the wonderful team of Sterling/Waldman it might be best to adhere to a point-of-view exactly opposite of what that steaming pile of donkey dung has to offer.

[BoSox21]

It's hard to jump to a negative conclusion with a guy who is still only 23 and has destroyed the minors but the Yankees are potentially making a huge mistake by making this guy master his new pitches in the bigs and getting shelled at the same time

[Dipre]

It's hard to jump to a negative conclusion with a guy who is still only 23 and has destroyed the minors but the Yankees are potentially making a huge mistake by making this guy master his new pitches in the bigs and getting shelled at the same time

 

Which would only happen if he was in the rotation, mind you.

[BoSox21]

Putting him in the bullpen is just pure stupidity by whoever brought that up. He isn't a two-pitch pitcher, he's got a full arsenal of effective pitches

[Dipre]

Putting him in the bullpen is just pure stupidity by whoever brought that up. He isn't a two-pitch pitcher' date=' he's got a full arsenal of effective pitches[/quote']

 

So you suggest destroying his confidence by sending him to the minors to feast on overmatched AAA fodder again?

 

He can start and relieve in the big club, and still reach his innings cap.

 

Confidence is important, and it's a difficult pill to swallow being sent down when you're doing good.

[BoSox21]

no, I'm suggesting working out the kinks of trying to master his new pitches in AAA rather than getting shelled in the show. and he isn't doing "good", he had an OK start last night after a few not OK starts

[Dipre]

no' date=' I'm suggesting working out the kinks of trying to master his new pitches in AAA rather than getting shelled in the show. and he isn't doing "good", he had an OK start last night after a few not OK starts[/quote']

 

2 "not ok" starts, and a couple of average starts.

 

Agree to disagree then.

[Gom]

I'm not jealous of your profession, Jacko, if that really is it. I have just never met a retarded physician.

 

The precedent for bringing up pitchers and letting them learn to pitch in the bullpen is as old as baseball. He helps the team if he is successful, and in terms of talent, he has more than Veras, Aceves, Tomko, or Albaladejo.

 

Oh wait...I forgot...SWB championships count for something, don't they?

 

What's the worst that happens if he goes to the pen? He gets shelled? Nothing new. They are going to limit his innings anyways, why not have the innings here where they count and could help. As for the number of pitches...that is such a crock of s***. Throw them all. I fail to see what's stopping him. Pitchers throw other pitchers in the starting rotation because they are giving hitters another look. Relievers don't because they just go with their best pitch or two pitches since they aren't seeing the batter again. Whatever.

 

Two of the top three pitchers in baseball did it, Santana and Halliday. Possibly the greatest pitcher in the last 20 years, Pedro, did it. I guess that is not good enough for Phil Hughes.

 

Have you filled your tube sock yet, Jacko? It must be getting close.

 

By the way...if their career ended now, Halladay and Santana wouldn't make it. However, if they are just average for the next five years, they're in.

[chakes17]

Holy fudge joba almost died

[jacksonianmarch]

He can't get anything down since getting drilled in the knee.

[jacksonianmarch]

Joba is out of the game. Alfredo Aceves in. f***. I am concerned about his fibula. We'll see. Karstens broke his and was out for a LOOOONG time.

[Jasonbay44]

Ouch, Jones must've ripped that ball.

[TheKilo]

Joba is out of the game. Alfredo Aceves in. f***. I am concerned about his fibula. We'll see. Karstens broke his and was out for a LOOOONG time.

 

The real question is, did he fist pump when he left?