Sox interested in Adam Dunn?

[WhiskeyBreath]

Doesn't the "can" kinda give away my dislike for his defensive abilities?

 

Sure does. I was just saying how bad it would go over with Sox fans if he was allowed to run around in right field with his head cut off.

[WhiskeyBreath]

And yet still better than Dunn, who can't play 1B at all.

 

BTW I love Ortiz' one-year decline phase. No thought at all given to the possibility that it might have just been an off year sparked by a freak injury. No, it must be the beginning of the end.

 

I'm with ya on this. God forbid the guy's power numbers aren't like his previous seasons after he was battling a wrist and knee injury.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Your kind of slow huh? The original article from FoxsSports specified the Red Sox may have interest in Adam Dunn to play 1st base in which case they would move Youkilis to 3rd and trade Mike Lowell.

 

I'm saying why not consider Adam Dunn coming into Boston and replacing David Ortiz as the DH....don't let him play on the defensive side.

 

David Ortiz would probably bring back more in a trade than Mike Lowell...hence possibly packaging David Ortiz for a proven catcher which I don't believe Mike Lowell could do....do you follow?

 

...end result the Red Sox will stick with what they have. Too many moving pieces in either scenario.

 

No, I don't follow. Its a retarded article, there is absolutely no need to sign Dunn or trade Lowell.

 

 

You are not going to get a proven catcher for Ortiz. Not at this point. Teams aren't going to look at his 2005 and 2006 seasons during trade talks, they're going to look at last season. Its the sad truth. 2008 crippled his trade value for this winter.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

And yet still better than Dunn, who can't play 1B at all.

 

BTW I love Ortiz' one-year decline phase. No thought at all given to the possibility that it might have just been an off year sparked by a freak injury. No, it must be the beginning of the end.

 

Wrong, Adam Dunn is better at 1st base in this given moment.

 

David Ortiz numbers continued to increase and peaked in 2006. His numbers have dropped since. He is also heading into his mid-30s and the injuries are showing up...carbon copy of a baseball player who hit his prime and is in decline (doesn't mean he can't still be effective)....but do you see Ortiz hitting 40+ homers again?

[CrespoBlows]

Any catcher who is offered for Ortiz, won't be sufficent enough for us to pull the trigger.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

You are not going to get a proven catcher for Ortiz. Not at this point. Teams aren't going to look at his 2005 and 2006 seasons during trade talks' date=' they're going to look at [u']last[/u] season. Its the sad truth. 2008 crippled his trade value for this winter.

 

Crippled Mike Lowell's trade value as well....guess we have to hope they can return to form at age 34 and 35....

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Crippled Mike Lowell's trade value as well....

 

Oh cool. So how do we rectify that problem?

 

 

Of course, we toss more money on the payroll for a defensively challenged hacker, then attempt to trade Lowell when his market would consist of the Giants and Angels, both of whom would be offering AA prospects who likely won't amount to anything. Oh, and we'd also have to eat at least half his salary to get them to consider it, so there is more wasted money right there.

 

 

Throwin' money at the problem. Ca-ching, bitch.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Any catcher who is offered for Ortiz' date=' won't be sufficent enough for us to pull the trigger.[/quote']

 

Perhaps, might make more sense to sign Varitek and continue after Montero.

[Dipre]

Wrong, Adam Dunn is better at 1st base in this given moment.

 

David Ortiz numbers continued to increase and peaked in 2006. His numbers have dropped since. He is also heading into his mid-30s and the injuries are showing up...carbon copy of a baseball player who hit his prime and is in decline (doesn't mean he can't still be effective)....but do you see Ortiz hitting 40+ homers again?

 

Strawman.

 

We're talking about defense.

 

David Ortiz has demonstrated the ability to play a ML-caliber defense at 1B, Adam Dunn has not....he's a butcher at 1st.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Perhaps' date=' might make more sense to sign Varitek and continue after Montero.[/quote']

Okay. Trade a good prospect for Montero, but don't make him the full time starter. Instead, bring Varitek back for more than he's worth, and have the two platoon. Sharp.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Oh cool. So how do we rectify that problem?

 

 

Of course, we toss more money on the payroll, then attempt to trade Lowell when his market would consist of the Giants and Angels, both of whom would be offering AA prospects who likely won't amount to anything.

 

 

Throw money at the problem. Ca-ching, bitch.

 

David Ortiz and Mike Lowell 10+million a year. Latest speculation has Adam Dunn's price at 4 years 52 million. About the same price if you were able to move one of them. Not to mention he is younger.

 

You claim we can't get anything in return for Lowell or Ortiz yet you look to them to carry the offense?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

David Ortiz has demonstrated the ability to play a ML-caliber defense at 1B

 

Fail

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Okay. Trade a good prospect for Montero' date=' but don't make him the full time starter. Instead, bring Varitek back for more than he's worth, and have the two platoon. Sharp.[/quote']

 

Perhaps, might make more sense to sign Varitek *and continue after Montero.

 

*or

 

...don't get excited

[WhiskeyBreath]

Dunn is a lifetime .225 hitter with RISP. Just another reason to avoid this guy.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Dunn is a lifetime .225 hitter with RISP. Just another reason to avoid this guy.

 

Career .899 OPS....don't you love stats

[CrespoBlows]

David Ortiz and Mike Lowell 10+million a year. Latest speculation has Adam Dunn's price at 4 years 52 million. About the same price if you were able to move one of them. Not to mention he is younger.

 

You claim we can't get anything in return for Lowell or Ortiz yet you look to them to carry the offense?

 

Dunn will get a lot less than that.

 

I think he'd be a nice bargain at 1B, and he's probably a better bet to contribute than Mike Lowell is. His defense will be pretty bad, but he should make it up with his bat.

 

It all depends on how cheap he comes. Hitting 40 HR's with the Red Sox will boost his value, and he's probably not going to get a huge contract this year. Offer him 1 X 8.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

David Ortiz and Mike Lowell 10+million a year. Latest speculation has Adam Dunn's price at 4 years 52 million. About the same price if you were able to move one of them. Not to mention he is younger.

 

A complete waste of time and effort.

 

You claim we can't get anything in return for Lowell or Ortiz yet you look to them to carry the offense?

 

Oh my god... really?

 

 

No team is going to trade anything of value for players with injury problems, on the hope that they might bounce back and be a reliable bat in the lineup. Even if they believed it would happen... they wouldn't say so in trade discussions, they would take the 'we'll take this injury riddled player off your hands, but you can't have any good prospects for them' approach. Taking that kind of a risk (offering a good prospect/piece) on players like Ortiz and Lowell is just stupid.

 

 

Now, I believe the two will contribute to the offense next year. A big chunk of GMs in baseball probably do too. But they won't express that belief. They'll try to acquire that potential comeback player of the year for next to nothing. Make sense?

 

 

Its pretty basic principles of the trade market and bargaining.

[CrespoBlows]

Dunn is a lifetime .225 hitter with RISP. Just another reason to avoid this guy.

 

Tack on the .416/.474/.890 that comes with it.

[Dipre]

Fail

 

Nope, you fail.

 

The reason Ortiz does not play 1B is not because he is defensively challenged, it's his size and penchant for injury.

 

The reason Dunn doesn't play 1B is because Cinci tried it and it was a mess.

 

Might wanna try actually knowing the subject before throwing inaccurate statements left and right.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Career .899 OPS....don't you love stats

 

Just another stat worse than the man he would be replacing...

[Rdsxmbnt]

Just another stat worse than the man he would be replacing...

 

Lowell has never had a .899 OPS season let alone his career average...

[WhiskeyBreath]

Tack on the .416/.474/.890 that comes with it.

 

Good numbers but pretty much all of his stats except OBP are worse when he is hitting with RISP. Usually a good player has better stats across the board when he is in that situation.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Perhaps, might make more sense to sign Varitek *and continue after Montero.

 

*or

 

...don't get excited

You said:

 

Perhaps, might make more sense to sign Varitek and continue after Montero.

 

You originally said and, not or.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Lowell has never had a .899 OPS season let alone his career average...

 

I was talking about Ortiz. Someone had mentioned that Ortiz be shipped out and have Dunn step in as DH.

[CrespoBlows]

I think the Red Sox are banking on the failing economy to get worse in 2009. That way, they have a chance to pick up bargains in the trade market.

 

I see the economy having a temporary boost when Obama's stimulus plan goes into effect, but the plan will eventually fail, and the economy will probably be suffering a whole lot more.

 

The Red Sox should make huge splashes in the 2009/2010 market. Giambi and Burrell's contracts are proof that the failing economy is depressing baseball wages. Why not take full advantage of that effect when the system implodes?

[CrespoBlows]

Nope, you fail.

 

The reason Ortiz does not play 1B is not because he is defensively challenged, it's his size and penchant for injury.

 

The reason Dunn doesn't play 1B is because Cinci tried it and it was a mess.

 

Might wanna try actually knowing the subject before throwing inaccurate statements left and right.

 

Sean Casey, Scott Hatteberg, and Joey Votto all played 1B during Dunn's tenure with the Reds. They both were adequete on defense and offense.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

A complete waste of time and effort.

 

 

 

Oh my god... really?

 

 

No team is going to trade anything of value for players with injury problems, on the hope that they might bounce back and be a reliable bat in the lineup. Even if they believed it would happen... they wouldn't say so in trade discussions, they would take the 'we'll take this injury riddled player off your hands, but you can't have any good prospects for them' approach. Taking that kind of a risk (offering a good prospect/piece) on players like Ortiz and Lowell is just stupid.

 

 

Now, I believe the two will contribute to the offense next year. A big chunk of GMs in baseball probably do too. But they won't express that belief. They'll try to acquire that potential comeback player of the year for next to nothing. Make sense?

 

 

Its pretty basic principles of the trade market and bargaining.

 

So the GMs in baseball know that Ortiz and Lowell were injured and there stocks are low so they will try to buy low...but the Red Sox agree with you that the players will bounce back so there stocks are higher than the injuries lead on, all the rival GMs know this as well. They won't tell the Red Sox GM that they know this because they won't want to lead onto the fact they know Ortiz and Lowell will bounce back.

 

....did I just regurgitate all that garbage you just wrote cause I want to make sure I follow your simple basic principles of the trade market and bargaining?

[CrespoBlows]

Good numbers but pretty much all of his stats except OBP are worse when he is hitting with RISP. Usually a good player has better stats across the board when he is in that situation.

 

His OBP is .40 points higher. His slugging is down .49.

 

When you look at the numbers, he loses a total of .09 OPS points.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

So the GMs in baseball know that Ortiz and Lowell were injured and there stocks are low so they will try to buy low...but the Red Sox agree with you that the players will bounce back so there stocks are higher than the injuries lead on' date=' all the rival GMs know this as well. They won't tell the Red Sox GM that they know this because they won't want to lead onto the fact they know Ortiz and Lowell will bounce back.[/quote']

 

Its not that they'll play stupid... the Sox simply don't have the positioning to ask for (or get) anything for them.

 

....did I just regurgitate all that garbage you just wrote cause I want to make sure I follow your simple basic principles of the trade market and bargaining?

 

Yes. You regurgitated everything I wrote so you could look smarter.

 

 

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[WhiskeyBreath]

His OBP is .40 points higher. His slugging is down .49.

 

When you look at the numbers, he loses a total of .09 OPS points.

 

I want my 3-4 hitter to drive in runs in those situations. I don't want him to be like Dunn and have his avg. drop 20 points and slugging fall, while he walks more. Sorry, but good 3-4 hitters thrive in those situations and all of their numbers improve. Going from Ortiz to Dunn at DH would be a GIGANTIC mistake.