Sox still pursuing Tek

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I would be MOST concerned if Tek signed with Tampa...That young staff doesn't need anymore help.. Tek would be a perfect fit there. I think the Yankees could really help their young guys by adding Tek as well...plus' date=' it would be another nice jab at the Sox.[/quote']

What makes you think the Rays want Tek? Why wouldn they want to spend the money, plus surrender the draft pick for an old catcher rapidly hitting his decline? And I haven't heard their name mentioned once in the Tek discussion all offseason.

[Dipre]

What makes you think the Rays want Tek? Why wouldn they want to spend the money' date=' plus surrender the draft pick for an old catcher rapidly hitting his decline? And I haven't heard their name mentioned once in the Tek discussion all offseason.[/quote']

 

They don't.

 

They have a qualified staff leader and clubhouse presence (who's a pretty decent hitter btw) in Dioner Navarro.

[Dipre]

Apparently, a second year has been added to the Sox offer for Varitek.

 

It's not known whether it's an option or guaranteed.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090125&content_id=3770668&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

[italstallianion]

They should back load the contract to protect him from the divorce. I'm not saying pay him a lot in general, but whatever he signs for, have it backloaded so he can get it by the divorce.

[Dipre]

They should back load the contract to protect him from the divorce. I'm not saying pay him a lot in general' date=' but whatever he signs for, have it backloaded so he can get it by the divorce.[/quote']

 

According to sources around the net, the divorce is already finalized, so such measures should not be necessary.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

No, you'll find that I'll use many lines from Family Guy. And I never said that it was my original idea or anything. Do you really want me to have a works cited??

 

Also I'd have to be wrong, or fail at something in order to fail. I agree with you that the failblog is much better than lolcats, but I certainly didn't fail.

 

[italstallianion]

 

 

Right back at ya...

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So I guess it's a 1 year guaranteed offer worth $5 mil, with a club option for 2010 also worth $5 mil. Tek also has a player option for 2010 worth $3 mil. There is a deadline on this offer.

 

http://blogs.weei.com/robbradford/2009/01/25/deadline-for-varitek/

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They don't.

 

They have a qualified staff leader and clubhouse presence (who's a pretty decent hitter btw) in Dioner Navarro.

Absolutely. Navarro is a real solid guy behind the plate. Imagine we never traded him for f***ing RJ.

[WhiskeyBreath]

I like the proposed deal. I would like to see him back for at least one more year.

[JimEdHOF2009]

They don't.

 

They have a qualified staff leader and clubhouse presence (who's a pretty decent hitter btw) in Dioner Navarro.

 

So Navarro is a better game-caller and has more knowledge of setting hitters up in and out than Jason Varitek>? OK..we now know you know nothing. So what if Navarro is decent....what would it hurt if they had Tek and Navarro? I am quite certain Varitek can offer more to the young pitchers than Navarro can...even if most of his help came in the bullpen or from the bench in a supporting role. Man, some of you really have no f***ing clue how baseball works do you?

[JimEdHOF2009]

So I guess it's a 1 year guaranteed offer worth $5 mil, with a club option for 2010 also worth $5 mil. Tek also has a player option for 2010 worth $3 mil. There is a deadline on this offer.

 

http://blogs.weei.com/robbradford/2009/01/25/deadline-for-varitek/

 

Sounds very close to the deal I put up..

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Navarro, at this stage in his career is more valuable than Tek at his stage. Yeah, Tex can call a game and handle a pitching staff, but all of his skills are diminishing, on both sides of the ball. Navarro can call a good game, is familiar with that young staff, and would probably be more productive with the bat. Why would the Rays spend to money on an old, declining catcher when they have a perfectly capable young one. Your such a fanboy. I can't help but laugh at the fact that you think you know more about the game than anyone here

[JimEdHOF2009]

Navarro' date=' at this stage in his career is more valuable than Tek at his stage. Yeah, Tex can call a game and handle a pitching staff, but all of his skills are diminishing, on both sides of the ball. Navarro can call a good game, is familiar with that young staff, and would probably be more productive with the bat. Why would the Rays spend to money on an old, declining catcher when they have a perfectly capable young one. Your such a fanboy. I can't help but laugh at the fact that you think you know more about the game than anyone here [/quote']

 

Listen moron.. What would it hurt for Tampa to bring on Tek to back up Navarro and work with their pitchers? Do you honestly think I think TEK is more valuable than Navarro? Read my thread you f***ing tool. I think TEK would help their young staff immeasurably..yep..I sure do... I guarantee you Maddon would agree. Having been a catcher professionally, I can tell you Jason Varitek is the best game-caller in baseball and could even help the immortal Navarro in that area.. Mike Scioscia has said as much..and he should know.

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Sounds very close to the deal I put up..

Yeah but you were $2 million off so how do you like that Mr. "I know more about baseball than you"

 

Seriously, I hadn't even seen that post prior to seeing your last post. I didn't post that link to get in an argument with you, I was passing along a link I came across.

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Listen moron.. What would it hurt for Tampa to bring on Tek to back up Navarro and work with their pitchers? Do you honestly think I think TEK is more valuable than Navarro? Read my thread you f***ing tool. I think TEK would help their young staff immeasurably..yep..I sure do... I guarantee you Maddon would agree. Having been a catcher professionally' date=' I can tell you Jason Varitek is the best game-caller in baseball and could even help the immortal Navarro in that area.. Mike Scioscia has said as much..and he should know.[/quote']

Yeah but they're not going to pay him that kind of money to be a backup/mentor. of course he can help a young staff, but he doesn't fit on that club.

 

Pro catcher huh? What organization?

[JimEdHOF2009]

Yeah but you were $2 million off so how do you like that Mr. "I know more about baseball than you"

 

Seriously, I hadn't even seen that post prior to seeing your last post. I didn't post that link to get in an argument with you, I was passing along a link I came across.

 

 

let's wait for the final deal douchebag...And I said 10-12 over 2 years... Can you read sport? Honestly, making you look the court jester is ridiculously easy.. You are a grade-A simpleton..a morphodite of the highest accord. Just stop posting...please.. do us all a favor.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Yeah but they're not going to pay him that kind of money to be a backup/mentor. of course he can help a young staff, but he doesn't fit on that club.

 

Pro catcher huh? What organization?

 

Colorado Rockies.. Asheville.. next.

 

And I scouted A and AA for the White Sox(this was scouting other organizations A and AA levels for possible prospects to trade for).. I still bird-dog(looking at local high school and college kids to draft in Tr-State area Ill/Ind/Wis) for them when I can. You are so far out of your league kid.

 

And no s*** Tek doesn't want to take backup money...but all things being equal..he may just want to be closer to his kids and may have soured on Sox had they only offered $2mill per year. I said I WOULD be worried if Tampa or Yanks got Tek..I never said I thought it would happen.. Could you be any dimmer?

[SCM33]

Another former scout, graces these message boards....what an honor.

 

 

 

Anyone remember Blades of Glory, when the show producer states, "another former skating legend, walking through the doors for the grublets"????? Similar no?

[JimEdHOF2009]

Another former scout, graces these message boards....what an honor.

 

 

 

Anyone remember Blades of Glory, when the show producer states, "another former skating legend, walking through the doors for the grublets"????? Similar no?

 

Not actually a former....just not full-time.

[CrespoBlows]

Another former scout, graces these message boards....what an honor.

 

[laxtonto]

Ok, let put something to rest right now.

 

The myth that certain guys call a better game than other's is just that a myth. Individual Catcher's no longer call the game, they no longer position players, and they no longer have a large influence on a pitcher/hitter match up. Those days are long past.

 

With the jumps in technology, especially in the digital medium, every player is covered in multiple angels on every pitch. The success rate is charted, scouted, and reviewed by the pitching staff, pitching coach and advanced scouts. This is then matched up for each starter in a series and in general the bullpen and distributed at the appropriate time.

 

At some point, several days, or the day before the game the pitching coach and starter and catcher get together and review all of the data and review a game plan for each opposing batter depending on situation, count and times through the line up. These match ups are determined well in advance and are constantly changing and updating by the scouting department and video group.

 

The Catcher no longer calls the game. The sequence of pitches and are all based off of previous data gained via video and scouting. It is no longer about personal experience, feel for the game and out thinking a hitter. All the Catcher does now is execute that game plan. If you get player "X" in "Y" situation in "Z" count, you throw "1". That is not calling a game in the Yogi Berra sense of the word. It is dramatically more successful in the long term becasue assumptions made a Catcher can be wrong. A Catcher migtht remember that a player struck out on "X" pitch, but the video and scouting evidence will point to a longterm trend stating otherwise.

 

The Catcher no longer positions the infield. Those calls are already determined by a statical breakdown of a player's spray chart and are distributed before each series. The only direct influence a Catcher alone has on the game is a slowly fading art of framing a pitch. That is one skill that a Catcher can still use to gain several extra calls a game.

 

There is a reason why Colorado's introduction of the IPod Video as a medium several years ago won them the technology award at the GM meetings. Teams now have video of every batter and pitcher digitally loaded from both side and front view on all pitches. This helps pitchers prepare by understanding visually the weakness of a hitter, and hitters prepare by seeing several shots of arm slots, release points, trajectory and spin of a specific pitchers pitches. How far off the plate, how far up and in, how much tail, how much break are all thing you can see visually as well as graph.

 

If you are a reliever on a fight to Toronto, you can spend a few minutes brushing up on what pitch locations are needed for specific players. You can review previous at bats you succeed or failed against that player. If your a hitter instead, you can see how tomorrow's starter has pitch you before. What location he has thrown to you, at what counts. It is an excellent tool that can be easily updated and distributed at a player's fingertips. Technology is changing the face of the MLB landscape. Advancements in statistical analysis, pitch fx data, and coming soon hit fx data, are all leading the charge for better use of the scouting data teams have had for years.

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let's wait for the final deal douchebag...And I said 10-12 over 2 years... Can you read sport? Honestly' date=' making you look the court jester is ridiculously easy.. You are a grade-A simpleton..a morphodite of the highest accord. Just stop posting...please.. do us all a favor.[/quote']

Wow you're way too competitive when it comes to predicting contracts. I really don't give a s*** I was passing along a f***ing link. You're getting all defensive and s***, it's kind of humerous lol.

 

Colorado Rockies.. Asheville.. next.

While I respect your accomplishment, I find your matter-of-fact ego disgusting. Just the way you answer a question rubs me the wrong way......next. I was impressed, so I asked what otganization, I wasn't questioning your claim.

 

And I scouted A and AA for the White Sox(this was scouting other organizations A and AA levels for possible prospects to trade for).. I still bird-dog(looking at local high school and college kids to draft in Tr-State area Ill/Ind/Wis) for them when I can.

I'm more than familiar with what a scout does, sport!

 

You are so far out of your league kid.

Is that so?

 

And no s*** Tek doesn't want to take backup money...

of course he doesn't want to take backup money, I was referring to THEM not wanting to pay HIM the money he's asking just to be a backup.

 

I think the Rays are set behind the plate. Between Navarro, Hernandez (not an overwhelmongly talented guy, but I've always liked him sicne seeing him play here in the Yankee system), and Riggans (nice guy...talked to him a bit when he was playing in the NY-Penn League briefly in 2007 while I was interning with the Rays affiliate).

[JimEdHOF2009]

Wow you're way too competitive when it comes to predicting contracts. I really don't give a s*** I was passing along a f***ing link. You're getting all defensive and s***, it's kind of humerous lol.

 

 

While I respect your accomplishment, I find your matter-of-fact ego disgusting. Just the way you answer a question rubs me the wrong way......next. I was impressed, so I asked what otganization, I wasn't questioning your claim.

 

 

I'm more than familiar with what a scout does, sport!

 

 

Is that so?

 

 

of course he doesn't want to take backup money, I was referring to THEM not wanting to pay HIM the money he's asking just to be a backup.

 

I think the Rays are set behind the plate. Between Navarro, Hernandez (not an overwhelmongly talented guy, but I've always liked him sicne seeing him play here in the Yankee system), and Riggans (nice guy...talked to him a bit when he was playing in the NY-Penn League briefly in 2007 while I was interning with the Rays affiliate).

 

You come off to me as very abrasive in some of your comments, so I reply in the same manner. Maybe I am reading you wrong, if so..I am sorry for that. I don't want to argue anymore till the season starts:) It takes up too much time. BTW, had it not been for a compound fracture of my ankle(happened in 2nd year at Asheville, collision at home)..I may have made it pretty high..not sure how high as I was a light-hitting defensive catcher..good contact hitter, just not much power. My glove-to-glove/pop-to-pop times were between 1.72 and 1.81. This was obviously my strength as I threw 87 MPH from my crouch with a pretty quick release.

[Dipre]

So Navarro is a better game-caller and has more knowledge of setting hitters up in and out than Jason Varitek>? OK..we now know you know nothing. So what if Navarro is decent....what would it hurt if they had Tek and Navarro? I am quite certain Varitek can offer more to the young pitchers than Navarro can...even if most of his help came in the bullpen or from the bench in a supporting role. Man' date=' some of you really have no f***ing clue how baseball works do you?[/quote']

 

Read ya f***ing retard.

 

I said Navarro is good, not better, and he's definitely a better hitter right now, throw in the money and the loss of a draft pick, and even joking that Tampa will ATTEMPT to sign Varitek is a tribute to stupidity.

 

And how about you get off that pedestal of yours and shut the f*** up, no one here tries to disrespect you, and you come questioning others' baseball knowledge when YOU just proposed and extremely retarded scenario.

 

f***ing tool you are...........

[CrespoBlows]

Scaffolds returns!

[SCM33]

My glove-to-glove/pop-to-pop times were between 1.72 and 1.81. This was obviously my strength as I threw 87 MPH from my crouch with a pretty quick release.

 

The fact that you find the need to post these numbers leads one to believe:

1. Glove to pop to pop translates as, you get a oven mitt off, pop open a refrigerator, then pop open a nice cold one between the times of 1.72-1.81 seconds.

 

2.Your strength is crouching, over a toilet.....taking herculean deuces, which travel from your rectum at a whopping 87 MPH, which leads me to believe you damaged a regular porcelain toilet and have since upgraded to titanium.

 

If you played, post a page where it could be proven. http://www.Thebaseballcube.com posts minor league numbers from as far back as the mid 80's I believe. If you are so intent on making believers outta people.....prove people wrong and post it.

[Dipre]

The fact that you find the need to post these numbers leads one to believe:

1. Glove to pop to pop translates as, you get a oven mitt off, pop open a refrigerator, then pop open a nice cold one between the times of 1.72-1.81 seconds.

 

2.Your strength is crouching, over a toilet.....taking herculean deuces, which travel from your rectum at a whopping 87 MPH, which leads me to believe you damaged a regular porcelain toilet and have since upgraded to titanium..

 

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee160/Mind_Detergent/owned.jpg

[JimEdHOF2009]

The fact that you find the need to post these numbers leads one to believe:

1. Glove to pop to pop translates as, you get a oven mitt off, pop open a refrigerator, then pop open a nice cold one between the times of 1.72-1.81 seconds.

 

2.Your strength is crouching, over a toilet.....taking herculean deuces, which travel from your rectum at a whopping 87 MPH, which leads me to believe you damaged a regular porcelain toilet and have since upgraded to titanium.

 

If you played, post a page where it could be proven. http://www.Thebaseballcube.com posts minor league numbers from as far back as the mid 80's I believe. If you are so intent on making believers outta people.....prove people wrong and post it.

 

Ha! Believe what you will...that was pretty f***ing funny..I must admit. I may be moving home this October.. North Shore??..Would be glad to show you my arm.. It would probably result in you acquiring a broken nose and needing another pair of Poindexter, horn-rimmed glasses... I also have a few friends who own batting cages and training facilities in the area.. I am sure we can arrange a meeting at some point and you can test your colorful Hypothesis out.. However, I am quite sure you will be eating an EPIC serving of Crow should this event take place.

 

As for Baseball cube...sure they are there.. I have looked at them..just did tonight as a matter of fact.. I have no desire to share my name with anyone on a message board..sorry. It is not imperative to my existence here that you believe me. The offer is open come October though.

[SCM33]

Ha! Believe what you will...that was pretty f***ing funny..I must admit. I may be moving home this October.. North Shore??..Would be glad to show you my arm.. It would probably result in you acquiring a broken nose and needing another pair of Poindexter' date=' horn-rimmed glasses... I also have a few friends who own batting cages and training facilities in the area.. I am sure we can arrange a meeting at some point and you can test your colorful Hypothesis out.. However, I am quite sure you will be eating an EPIC serving of Crow should this event take place.[/quote']

 

Great, Ill even supply the radar gun from my cruiser....free of charge.