IT WE SIGN TEIXEIRA..........

[cobra24]

Ok im new to this site and i dont know if you all have talked about this, so if you did im sorry.. But i have to know! If the Sox sign Teixeira where would we put him??? Last time i checked we have a 1B (Youk). We also have Big Papi for the DH. so what would we do with him? Please let me know?? Thnak you!

[TheKilo]

You're new, but here's a hint.

 

Look in the thread named "Teixeira."

 

To answer - they'd most likely trade Lowell and move Youkilis to 3B.

[cobra24]

You're new, but here's a hint.

 

Look in the thread named "Teixeira."

 

To answer - they'd most likely trade Lowell and move Youkilis to 3B.

 

 

 

Hey kilo, i did and didnt really see anything that answered my questions.. but thank you. is that the forum talking trades with lowell or is that something thats really being talked?? ive been soo crazy busy with coaching i havent been able to keep up on the offseason trades. thanks again.

[Cocos Disciples]

Sigh...

 

We would trade Lowell.

[TheKilo]

Hey kilo' date=' i did and didnt really see anything that answered my questions.. but thank you. is that the forum talking trades with lowell or is that something thats really being talked?? ive been soo crazy busy with coaching i havent been able to keep up on the offseason trades. thanks again.[/quote']

 

There's multiple teams that could be destinations for Lowell....including Minnesota, San Francisco, and Chicago.

[BSN07]

Hey kilo' date=' i did and didnt really see anything that answered my questions.. but thank you. is that the forum talking trades with lowell or is that something thats really being talked?? ive been soo crazy busy with coaching i havent been able to keep up on the offseason trades. thanks again.[/quote']

 

Of course the FO isn't saying anything about it. But Lowell is the most likely to be dealt. Not going to trade Youk, who they have been talking long term. And there not trading Papi.

 

Lowell is odd man out.

 

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[Dojji]

There's multiple teams that could be destinations for Lowell....including Minnesota' date=' San Francisco, and Chicago.[/quote']

 

Actually I've thought all offseason that if we did move Lowell, Phillidelphia would be the best destination. Pedro Feliz is all right, he's great defensively, but Lowell has him beat as a hitter by an order of magnitude. Since Philidelphia is going to be back in the playoff hunt next year it'd also be a respectful place to send him where he still has a crack at playoff glory for the rest of his contract. We know they like Lowell as well, since they were competitive for his services in the 2007-2008 offseason.

 

Ideally I'd like to target shortstop prospect Jason Donald in the Phillies system. Since we don't have a lot in the high minors on the left side of the infield, Donald fills a need, and he's a guy who's talented enough to be worth giving up a bit more for if that's required. Rumors have had Philly dangling Donald for the right piece too so this isn't so farfetched.

[cobra24]

hey! thanks guys... i would really hate to see lowell go. hes a great guy and a great teammate. i hope we do something big, because they yankees just put them selfs right back at the top of the east. we need to do something big now. maybe that will be teixeira and then maybe a pitcher.

[Cocos Disciples]

I bet it will be, but it's not because the Yankees did what they did.

 

Honestly, is anyone surprised in the least about the Yanks signing CC and AJ. The FO sure isn't.

[Dipre]

I've been expecting the Yanks to sign both CC and Burnett since about the time they fell out of contention, since those would be the typical NYY panic moves to keep the fanbase happy.

[schillingouttheks]

I bet it will be, but it's not because the Yankees did what they did.

 

Honestly, is anyone surprised in the least about the Yanks signing CC and AJ. The FO sure isn't.

 

No. And quite frankly, I still think they're the 3rd best team in the AL East.

[cobra24]

No. And quite frankly' date=' I still think they're the 3rd best team in the AL East.[/quote']

 

I sure hope so. i would love to see them spend all this money again and fall short. it keeps me laughing:lol:

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1139095&srvc=rss

 

Michael Silverman sees the offer to Tex being 8 years/$145-$175 million, possibly more

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Actually I've thought all offseason that if we did move Lowell, Phillidelphia would be the best destination. Pedro Feliz is all right, he's great defensively, but Lowell has him beat as a hitter by an order of magnitude. Since Philidelphia is going to be back in the playoff hunt next year it'd also be a respectful place to send him where he still has a crack at playoff glory for the rest of his contract. We know they like Lowell as well, since they were competitive for his services in the 2007-2008 offseason.

 

Ideally I'd like to target shortstop prospect Jason Donald in the Phillies system. Since we don't have a lot in the high minors on the left side of the infield, Donald fills a need, and he's a guy who's talented enough to be worth giving up a bit more for if that's required. Rumors have had Philly dangling Donald for the right piece too so this isn't so farfetched.

I'd be perfectly content to just dump Lowell for some A-ball guy.

[BudLight]

I've been expecting the Yanks to sign both CC and Burnett since about the time they fell out of contention' date=' since those would be the typical NYY panic moves to keep the fanbase happy.[/quote']

 

Panic moves?? Let's see coming out of 08 and into 09, how many established starting pitchers did the Yankees have under contract? One - Wang. It's not panic, it's necessity. You can't enter the Spring with one established starter under contract.

[Dipre]

Panic moves?? Let's see coming out of 08 and into 09' date=' how many established starting pitchers did the Yankees have under contract? One - Wang. It's not panic, it's necessity. You can't enter the Spring with one established starter under contract.[/quote']

 

You can also not bid against yourself and offer a $161 million dollar contract when $140 million would have clearly sufficed, but what do i know, i just have the facts to back me up.

[MANNYHOF24]

You can also not bid against yourself and offer a $161 million dollar contract when $140 million would have clearly sufficed' date=' but what do i know, i just have the facts to back me up.[/quote']

 

Where are the facts? Sabathia had the 140 million dollar offer for more then a month. I really think the he wanted to stay away from NY, but when it comes down to it, he could turndown there final increased offer. The Yankees had to make sure, they were going to get him.

[Dipre]

Where are the facts? Sabathia had the 140 million dollar offer for more then a month. I really think the he wanted to stay away from NY' date=' but when it comes down to it, he could turndown there final increased offer. The Yankees had to make sure, they were going to get him.[/quote']

 

So you're saying he'd take $20 million less from the Brewers?

 

Because that was the only other official offer made.

[jacksonianmarch]

So you're saying he'd take $20 million less from the Brewers?

 

Because that was the only other official offer made.

 

Its funny that he actually agreed to a deal that has less AAV (23 vs 23.3) even though he has a buyout that he will likely use if he is as dominant as we all hope he is. And they never actually bid against themselves, all they did was tack on another yr, a yr that may not matter depending on how CC does and if he opts out.

 

That being said, getting CC was an absolute must. We lose out on Johan because of the rooks that would have needed to go in the other direction, we could not lose out on CC. Now we have him. And we havent had a guy like him in a long time. Young, left handed, durable, power pitcher, ace, etc.

[BSN07]

Its funny that he actually agreed to a deal that has less AAV (23 vs 23.3) even though he has a buyout that he will likely use if he is as dominant as we all hope he is. And they never actually bid against themselves, all they did was tack on another yr, a yr that may not matter depending on how CC does and if he opts out.

 

That being said, getting CC was an absolute must. We lose out on Johan because of the rooks that would have needed to go in the other direction, we could not lose out on CC. Now we have him. And we havent had a guy like him in a long time. Young, left handed, durable, power pitcher, ace, etc.

 

The only other known offer was the Brewers, which was 20M less then the Yanks original offer. The Yankees has to outbid the Brewers by 40M to make CC come to NY. That fact alone would make me weary as a Yank fan.

 

You say absolute must, I say desperation. Desperation caused by multiple offseasons of over paying over the hill offensive veterans.

 

Now they pay 240M for 2 4ish ERA SP's and the Yanks fans believe everything to be ok. And now the rumors are out there about a 66M deal for Manny. I hope everyone realizes your not getting the LA Manny. LA Manny wanted to earn that 3 year deal. Theres no telling what Manny you will get if you give him the $ guranteed.

 

 

Everyone is seeing the Yankees making those big moves, I see them as doing the same ol same ol, and look where its got them. Having to over pay even more then before.

[BoSox21]

Of course it's desperation, the Yankee plan would've been for Hughes and Kennedy to be effective major league starters by the time Mussina and Pettitte were done and clearly, that's not the case.

 

Any team that fails to consistently produce pitching from the farm system and is forced to plug those holes by turning to the ridiculously over-priced free agent pitching market is a team that is desperate.

[TheKilo]

The Brewers offer was 6/100, I thought, making the bid $40 million, then $61 million, higher.

[BSN07]

They added to the deal before NY went to 161M

 

5/100 was 1st offer, they went to 6/120

[riverside sluggers]

I find it funny that writers like Bauman are saying that a Tex signing would be a knee jerk reaction to the Yanks signing AJ & CC. Entering the offseason, it was clear that the Sox were going to go hard after him

 

A 4 year/$64 million deal to Lowe now that would be a knee jerk reaction

 

Red Sox could counter with Teixeira

Free-agent slugger won't come cheap after Yanks' spending spree

 

An unintended beneficiary of the Yankees' spending spree of more than $240 million for two pitchers might be free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira. It was reported on Tuesday that the Red Sox had made a full-scale entrance into the Teixeira derby with an eight-year offer. While the Red Sox are not going to acknowledge that any move they make is a reaction to the Yankees, yes, the signings of CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett by their rivals could act as a spur in this case. While Sabathia was the prize catch of this pitching free-agent class, Teixeira is the top position player available. He's 28, he's healthy, he's a proven run-producer, a superior defensive player and a solid citizen. His numbers make his case nicely, but beyond that, his agent is Scott Boras, which means that no expense can be spared by Teixeira's suitors.

 

Already on board in this contest, in addition to the Red Sox, are the Nationals, the Orioles and the Angels, Teixeira's most recent employers. There have been contradictory reports on the Yankees' potential interest in Teixeira, but even if they do not join the bidding, they have already had an effect on the process. The previous reported high bid for Teixeira was eight years and $160 million, although there have also been suggestions of even higher amounts. If the Red Sox bid now, that means they are at least in that neighborhood. If they liked Teixeira, they were going to be aggressive in their pursuit of him, anyway. They can do this. They may not have the Yankees' apparently bottomless revenues, but in this situation, a distant second place out of 30 payrolls is still a relatively strong position.

 

The Yankees' recent purchases can only be further motivation for the Boston club. The American League East was typically one of baseball's toughest divisions. And that was before the emergence of the Rays, who went from nowhere to the World Series in one season and now cannot fairly be expected to return to oblivion. The Red Sox, having finally gained the upper hand in the rivalry with the Yankees by the virtue of two World Series championships in the last five seasons, cannot sit idly by and watch the Yanks make dramatic, if incredibly expensive, improvements. And that is what the acquisitions of Sabathia and Burnett were. The Yankees have not won a World Series since 2000, primarily because their starting pitching wasn't of championship caliber. On paper, at least, that shortcoming has now been directly addressed.

 

The Red Sox don't have that problem, and good for them. They moved ahead of the Yankees when their pitching became better than that of the Yankees. But in the post-Manny era, with the wear and tear apparently taking its toll on the power numbers of designated hitter David Ortiz, their lineup could use more middle-of-the-order pop. The switch-hitting Teixeira could provide that for any lineup, which is one of the reasons that Boras can ask for many years and mega-millions for this particular client.

 

The Red Sox would have to clear a lineup spot for Teixeira, but that could happen by moving Kevin Youkilis back to third base and trading Mike Lowell. That wouldn't be as painless as it sounds on paper, Lowell being a highly respected member of this team. Lowell would also have to demonstrate renewed good health following right hip surgery. But there isn't any doubt that this would be an improved lineup with the addition of Mark Teixeira.

 

On the other side of the equation, the Red Sox's participation in the bidding is good news for Teixeira, because you can never have too many suitors with the proven ability to pay. A Maryland native, his signing would be a public relations windfall for either the Nationals or the Orioles, even though it could be argued that both of those clubs are currently far enough off the pace that they should spread the money around and build up a sufficient base of talent, rather than investing it all in one player -- who, although extremely talented, is still just one player.

 

Teixeira's retention also makes all kind of sense for the Angels. This is a highly talented team, an elite franchise, whose largest problem in baseball life appears to be bumping into Boston in the postseason. Both the Angels and the Red Sox offer the intangible that money can't quite buy -- the opportunity to win and win soon. Mark Teixeira was going to be this winter's most valuable, most expensive position-player acquisition. But it could be argued that, with the Yankees spending lavishly to address their most serious problem, Teixeira's value has been directly enhanced, particularly in regard to the needs of theRed Sox.

 

Even if Boston doesn't eventually land Teixeira, its presence in the contest for his services certainly isn't going to do anything but increase the competition, and thus the price. Whether this comes as a direct reaction to the Yankees or not, it will be a good thing for Mark Teixeira and his family finances.

[BSN07]

I find it funny that writers like Bauman are saying that a Tex signing would be a knee jerk reaction to the Yanks signing AJ & CC. Entering the offseason, it was clear that the Sox were going to go hard after him

 

A 4 year/$64 million deal to Lowe now that would be a knee jerk reaction

 

Agreed. Anyone who didn't see the Sox looking in Tex this offseason, is Ray charles blind.

 

Now if the Sox saw CC sign and then overbid for Burnett, that would be knee jerk. Along with giving into Lowe's demands.

 

Tex is a sound signing for the present and future. That dumass reporter is trying to make it more then it is.

 

Is it possible for for these writers to troll?LOL

[Cocos Disciples]

Plus anyone with a brain could see the Yankees were going to go after 2 starters, most likely 2 of CC, AJ, Lowe and Sheets. It's not like the Sox were taken by surprise when the signings happen, thus they likely had a plan.

[BoSox21]

I don't think anyone is surprised at the Yankees signing AJ and CC but the amount they signed AJ for, at least to me, was shocking

[Cocos Disciples]

It's the Yankees, nothing like that should be shocking.

[BoSox21]

I said before the season ended I expected the Yankees to spent about $300 mil in free agency so I guess simply going by what I said that I shouldn't be surprised but still, $82.5 mil for AJ f***ing Burnett

[RedSoxRooter]

eei just reported the top bids for Tex by the Angels and Sox are 8/180.

 

It looks to me like the years are playing out so now it's all about the $$$.