Dusty Brown ON FIRE in the Dominican Winter Leagues.

[Dipre]

Strawman

 

I haven't said Brown is the next Varitek, i simply stated that he could be a late bloomer, which is why i mentioned Varitek, because he became an above-average regular at a technically old age.

 

Strawman

 

I haven't said i don't want Salty or Teagarden or whatever young catcher in the Sox, i just said that if they end up costing too much, a 'Tek, Brown platoon will not embarass itself in the lower part of the order. In fact, i have specifically advocated for the Sox acquiring Salty, and that, my friend, unlike any of the gibberish you keep posting here, is a fact.

 

It is also known that sometimes catchers take a long time to develop, and that's the only reason why i mentioned Varitek, because he wasn't an absolute superstar by the time he was 25, like, say, Joe Mauer, but i suppose it's easier for you to be annoying, use strawman arguments, and give a bad name to concise, smart yankee fans everywhere.

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A la Jason Varitek?

 

And since when did you become a scout/talent evaluator?

 

Like there're no late bloomers in baseball AT ALL.

 

Besides, it's not like anyone says he'd be a long-term solution for the Sox at the C position.

 

You gotta stop talking outta your ass, mister.

 

Varitek sat out seasons for money.....rather than flounder in rookie ball for 3 years.

 

There really arent many late bloomers past the age hes reaching. How many guys can you really think of 27 and older who made an impact....Daubach comes to mind. Kevin Millar was 27 when he broke out. Chris Coste the backup catcher. Jaime Moyer comes to mind. Casey Blake and Jose Guillen had to wait some years before given full time jobs. Wakefield was 28 when he turned his career around....but not very many man. Maybe a lefty specialist here or there who goes from starter to reliever but it is defintately more common for a prospect rather than a fringe player approaching his 27th birthday.

[Dojji]

Jack Cust, Ryan Ludwick. Mike Aviles, Jeremy Guthrie, Carlos Pena, Rick Ankiel, Brendan Donnelly, Jorge Campillo, JJ Putz, and that's just from the list of currently active players and only counting all-star quality ballplayers, which is a level we really aren't expecting Brown to reach.

 

I believe Brown broke through this year but wasn't given a chance to prove it at the big league level because of the congestion at the catcher position. It's not a question therefore of waiting for him to get it after age 26. He got it at age 26 and it's a question of letting him prove it..

[diony]

.290/.374/.471 in 84 AAA games.

 

His K% was 27.3%, you can expect those numbers to rise in the majors.

 

His BB%, was 11.9%, who's gonna pitch around a backup Catcher?

 

His BABIP was .363. Hmmm smells like.... FLUKE

[Dipre]

.290/.374/.471 in 84 AAA games.

 

His K% was 27.3%, you can expect those numbers to rise in the majors.

 

His BB%, was 11.9%, who's gonna pitch around a backup Catcher?

 

His BABIP was .363. Hmmm smells like.... FLUKE

 

Defense is solid, BA flukish, i will give you that, but SLG% is usually not affected by BA, and no one expects Dusty to hit for much BA anyways, and his power and defense are real, and IMMHO, that's more than what you need from a bottom of the order hitter.

 

Bottom line is, he wouldn't embarass himself batting 8th in the order, and that, coupled with his outstanding defense is indication enough that he could at least hold down the fort if needed until a marquee name or uber-prospect is acquired.

[kreinbihl34]

Jack Cust, Ryan Ludwick. Mike Aviles, Jeremy Guthrie, Carlos Pena, Rick Ankiel, Brendan Donnelly, Jorge Campillo, JJ Putz, and that's just from the list of currently active players and only counting all-star quality ballplayers, which is a level we really aren't expecting Brown to reach.

 

I believe Brown broke through this year but wasn't given a chance to prove it at the big league level because of the congestion at the catcher position. It's not a question therefore of waiting for him to get it after age 26. He got it at age 26 and it's a question of letting him prove it..

 

Ludwick and Pena was never given a chance anywhere they went.

 

Ankiel was a pitcher and transformed himself.

 

Brown is someone who we shouldn't have in any plans for the MLB club. Maybe with some major injuries of several players he could get a chance, but right now I don't see much. Still if he makes it to the majors and contributes, great for him, whether it be for the Red Sox of some other club. I have no reason to sit here and deny his dream, I would just rather have someone else for the position before him.

[Dojji]

Ludwick and Pena was never given a chance anywhere they went.

 

Which distinguishes them from Brown how? Other than the fact that Brown is still waiting for his first team to give up on him of course.

[kreinbihl34]

Which distinguishes them from Brown how? Other than the fact that Brown is still waiting for his first team to give up on him of course.

 

He's never proven anything in the minors maybe?

[Dipre]

He's never proven anything in the minors maybe?

 

Ususally when guys have a breakthough (even if BABIP suggests fluke) they are usually given a chance to prove themselves in the majors even as a backup.

 

And besides, there's not a lot you need to prove when the organization is as thin as the Red Sox are in the position he plays in.

 

Or would you rather have a more expensive, declining Greg Zaun or Ivan Rodriguez at the position if a trade doesn't happen?

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Jack Cust, Ryan Ludwick. Mike Aviles, Jeremy Guthrie, Carlos Pena, Rick Ankiel, Brendan Donnelly, Jorge Campillo, JJ Putz, and that's just from the list of currently active players and only counting all-star quality ballplayers, which is a level we really aren't expecting Brown to reach.

 

I believe Brown broke through this year but wasn't given a chance to prove it at the big league level because of the congestion at the catcher position. It's not a question therefore of waiting for him to get it after age 26. He got it at age 26 and it's a question of letting him prove it..

 

Jack Cust is a power hitting slugger, always was.......not a Catcher who floundered in A ball for 3 years. Cust was always on the fringe of being a MLB slugger....reminds me of Russell Branyan, just that Cust put it together faster to stay on a roster.

 

Ludwick has at least bounced around the big leagues before given a shot......not floundered for 6 seasons before hitting .300 in winter ball.

 

Aviles....you may have a point with him, looks like a guy who was never given a shot regardless of putting up great numbers albeit AAA, not rookie league.

 

Guthrie....I think the jury is still out on him, although he put up very good numbers and had a great BB/K ratio.

 

Donnelly wasnt given a shot bc he was a scab....just like Daubach.....he was a scab, and he was blackballed.

 

Campillo has fluke written all over him. The low K numbers, 18 HR in 150 Innings and an even hit to IP ratio will eventually catch up to him.

 

Putz is a legit older career gem.

 

Carlos Pena really doesnt fit....he went from prospect, to bust, to star, to bust.....to star back and forth.

 

Ankiel was a star pitcher before becoming an OF, there really were no expectations for him as an OF, so he doesnt fit either.

 

Still though, thats nine players you came up with off the top of your head.....how many prospect players can you think of who rose to stardum faster? Christ....the Sox roster alone almost provides as many.......are you wrong? no.....its just more unlikely.

[Dojji]

Check this out about those 3 year struggles in A ball

 

Brown OBP by year:

 

2003 (Augusta) .358 (.263 AVG .095 IsoD)

2004 (Sarasota) .321 (.229 AVG, .092 IsoD)

2005 (Wilmington) .348 (.256 AVG, .092 IsoD)

 

Looks like a fellow who struggled with average but took his share of walks in those "poor" seasons. Couple that with his defensive reputation and I really don't think those numbers are a problem.

 

My point is that the issue with Brown isn't his ability to get on base, per se. Power was a much bigger issue.

 

Brown's hardly the first catcher to spend a lot of time in A-ball. The real problem with Brown's minor league career as a whole is the lost year in 2006 in Portland. If he'd hit then, he'd probably have been our heir to Mirabelli.

[diony]

.242/.381/.319 now lol.

 

.156 in his last 10 games.

 

So much for 'on fire'.

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FIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

[Dojji]

.242/.381/.319 now lol.

 

.156 in his last 10 games.

 

So much for 'on fire'.

 

OBP still very good. But yeah.

[Dipre]

.381 overall OBP,.385 SLG isn't OBP and defense what you'd want from a catcher?

 

He may be slumping, but perhaps you'd rather 4/52 for Jason Varitek??

 

Because i'll take my 300k .360+ OBP, thank you very much, oh, and he can actually throw runners out and handle the knuckleball, how about that?

[jimsoxer]

Thats real great news.. Just what the sox need is a catcher prospect to step up

[diony]

.381 overall OBP,.385 SLG isn't OBP and defense what you'd want from a catcher?

 

He may be slumping, but perhaps you'd rather 4/52 for Jason Varitek??

 

Because i'll take my 300k .360+ OBP, thank you very much, oh, and he can actually throw runners out and handle the knuckleball, how about that?

 

I'm sorry, can you link me to the stats page where you found he putted a .360 OBP in the majors? Thanks in advance.

 

28 games in the Dominican Winter League are a better indicator of future perfomance than a 8 year career in the minor leagues. Hah really?

 

Oh wait, Melky Cabrera is hitting .346/.393/.385 in the DR. Screw Damon. I'll take my 400K, .360 OBP too, thank you very much.:thumbsup:

[Dipre]

I'm sorry, can you link me to the stats page where you found he putted a .360 OBP in the majors? Thanks in advance.

 

28 games in the Dominican Winter League are a better indicator of future perfomance than a 8 year career in the minor leagues. Hah really?

 

Oh wait, Melky Cabrera is hitting .346/.393/.385 in the DR. Screw Damon. I'll take my 400K, .360 OBP too, thank you very much.:thumbsup:

 

http://www.mlb.com perhaps?

 

It's called "breakthrough"....

 

And what a hypocrite, this from the guy who said batting average is a "useless stat" when defending Cashman's trade of Nick Swisher now thinks BA is the "Holy Grail", and now says that working the strike zone needs a stat page, LOL.

[diony]

http://www.mlb.com perhaps?

 

It's called "breakthrough"....

 

And what a hypocrite, this from the guy who said batting average is a "useless stat" when defending Cashman's trade of Nick Swisher now thinks BA is the "Holy Grail", and now says that working the strike zone needs a stat page, LOL.

 

Hmm WHAT? When did I changed my mind about BA? Even if BA is useless, .242 in Winter Leagues!!!! is clearly NOT ON FIRE.

 

And BA affects OBP, in case you don't know. Is not only "working the strike zone".

 

And I went to MLB.com and I can't still find when Brown putted a .360 OBP with the Red Sox. Oh cmon! Help me, give me the exact link.

 

This is what I found.

 

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o74/Di0ny/ZZZZ-1.jpg

[Dipre]

Hmm WHAT? When did I changed my mind about BA? Even if BA is useless, .242 in Winter Leagues!!!! is clearly NOT ON FIRE.

 

And BA affects OBP, in case you don't know. Is not only "working the strike zone".

 

And I went to MLB.com and I can't still find when Brown putted a .360 OBP with the Red Sox. Oh cmon! Help me, give me the exact link.

 

This is what I found.

 

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o74/Di0ny/ZZZZ-1.jpg

 

It's called a joke, retard.

 

And your point about BA directly affecting OBP becmes moot when looking at players like Adam Dunn, low ocntact but high selectivity= Low BA but high OBP..... or so the numbers say.........

 

But i feel proud of my intelligence seeing as how you actually went to MLB.com and checked his non-existent MLB stats,lol.

[diony]

It's called a joke, retard.

 

And your point about BA directly affecting OBP becmes moot when looking at players like Adam Dunn, low ocntact but high selectivity= Low BA but high OBP..... or so the numbers say.........

 

But i feel proud of my intelligence seeing as how you actually went to MLB.com and checked his non-existent MLB stats,lol.

 

Oh now is a JOKE? I though it was called breakthrough"

 

Yeah sure, feel proud about the tiny bit of intelligence you have. To predict MLB numbers based on Winter Leagues numbers.

 

Oh wait, that was a joke too, don't feel offended.

[Dipre]

Oh now is a JOKE? I though it was called breakthrough"

 

Yeah sure, feel proud about the tiny bit of intelligence you have. To predict MLB numbers based on Winter Leagues numbers.

 

Oh wait, that was a joke too, don't feel offended.

 

I like having fun with you...

 

He doesn't have MLB numbers, you know it, yet ask where the numbers are, yet you go look through MLB.com to get picture proof when we know he has no MLB experience, so i feel good about having fun at your expense and still stand by my point that he could post a .360 OBP in the Majors, thank you, and Good Night Seattle........