Misguided Gom's guide to evaluating players.

[jacksonianmarch]

So back about a month ago, you were all over the balls of Jose Veras and all about wanting to cut Edwar Ramirez. Well, lets see who has had the better season. Oh and by the way, just saying that one is easier to watch is not a good argument.

 

Who put up these numbers between the two, Edwar or Veras.

 

Highest IP: 54.1IP

Lowest ERA: 3.64

Lowest BAA: .214

Highest K/9IP: 10.10

Lowest BB/9IP: 4.0

Highest K/BB: 2.54

Lowest WHIP: 1.23

Lowest HR total: 7

 

Give up?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Highest IP: 54.1IP BOTH

Lowest ERA: 3.64 Veras, Edwar's was 3.98

Lowest BAA: .214 Edwar

Highest K/9IP: 10.10 Edwar

Lowest BB/9IP: 4.0 Edwar

Highest K/BB: 2.54 Edwar

Lowest WHIP: 1.23 Edwar

Lowest HR total: 7 Tied

 

I think you can gather from here that although Veras may be the sexier pick because he throws 97mph and has a sick slider, Edwar has actually been much more effective. So instead of cutting this guy, maybe you should realize that he belongs in the fray on our pen squad.

[TheKilo]

But Manny Delcarmen sucks, right?

[Gom]

So back about a month ago, you were all over the balls of Jose Veras and all about wanting to cut Edwar Ramirez. Well, lets see who has had the better season. Oh and by the way, just saying that one is easier to watch is not a good argument.

 

Who put up these numbers between the two, Edwar or Veras.

 

Highest IP: 54.1IP

Lowest ERA: 3.64

Lowest BAA: .214

Highest K/9IP: 10.10

Lowest BB/9IP: 4.0

Highest K/BB: 2.54

Lowest WHIP: 1.23

Lowest HR total: 7

 

Give up?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Highest IP: 54.1IP BOTH

Lowest ERA: 3.64 Veras, Edwar's was 3.98

Lowest BAA: .214 Edwar

Highest K/9IP: 10.10 Edwar

Lowest BB/9IP: 4.0 Edwar

Highest K/BB: 2.54 Edwar

Lowest WHIP: 1.23 Edwar

Lowest HR total: 7 Tied

 

I think you can gather from here that although Veras may be the sexier pick because he throws 97mph and has a sick slider, Edwar has actually been much more effective. So instead of cutting this guy, maybe you should realize that he belongs in the fray on our pen squad.

About a month ago, I said I liked Veras. I didn't think he'd be dominant. I do think he's got a live arm and has the potential of being a decent reliever. Edwar Ramirez is terrible. You cannot make it in the majors on two pitches if one of them is a flat 88-90 MPH fastball, and the other one is a changeup that is left up in the zone 40% of the time.

 

Since the All-Star break:

 

Ramirez:

6.20 ERA

 

Veras:

4.50 ERA

 

Ramirez is a waste. He would be a waste on the Nationals or the Mariners.

 

You're becoming the Yankee version of Jayhawk Bill. In other words:

 

An idiot.

[jacksonianmarch]

The peripherals are dominant, I am not calling him dominant, but his peripherals are very solid. And any baseball fan who knows anything about relief pitching knows that ERA is a very poor stat to follow for relievers. But I am not surprised that you stick to it. Cause you're one of the dumbest but most outspoken fans on this site, yankee or red sox. You're a fan, but not an educated one. With some of the logic you have shown on this site, I am surprised you have any sort of formal educational training.

[Gom]

This is coming from a guy who advocated not trading Kennedy, who likes a GM who could have had Fuentes for the immortal Kennedy, who supports a GM who is one of two GM's NOT to sign their first round pick.

 

The same guy who touts every single player in our minor league system as the next HOFer.

 

You have the audacity to call me dumb? You're the genius? That's a good one, Jacko.

 

You listed ERA in the initial observation. I use it, and in your words "any baseball fan who knows anything about relief pitching knows that ERA is a very poor stat to follow for relievers". I agree. Why use it then in your analysis? I was bringing myself down to your level. You can use ERA as one of your criteria, but when I do, I'm dumb? You are funny Jacko.

 

I see nothing I like in Ramirez. He's good against bad hitters and bad against good hitters. His mechanics are not that great. His control is poor, which for an off-speed pitcher is not good. His fastball is slow.

 

Veras has a live arm. That's about it.

 

Do I think either of them are good? No. I think Veras could be a decent reliever, but Ramirez is garbage now and tomorrow.

 

You say Edwar's peripherals are dominant. Like what? He has a changeup that he can locate 40-50% of the time, and a flat, slow fastball.

 

Now, I saw Coke pitch today for the first time, and he is very solid mechanically, and he has a kick to his fastball. I don't put stock in stats on young players because the sample size is too small. However, I think he's got a future up here from the one inning I watched him pitch.

 

Jacko, I really don't mean this in a bad way, but you really don't have any idea what you're talking about. You can take every bit of your minor league analysis and throw it in the garbage after I watch a player for a week or so, usually less. You lack this ability. That's fine.

 

Have you noticed what Cano is doing recently at the plate? To prove a point, I'll PM TheKilo. See if you can pick it up. If you can't, stop bothering me, and go give JHB some guy love.

 

Baseball's numbers do a great job, but they don't do the whole job. I guess I come from the Doug Melvin school of scouting players being more important than slide rules.