Schilling back at it again...

[TheKilo]

His remarks don't need to benefit anybody. I think you are applying a double standard to Curt. Who else do we hold to a standard that not only must their remarks not be harmful' date=' but they should benefit someone other than the speaker? I find nothing wrong with him promoting himself as a commentator for his next career.[/quote']

 

Why did he say it now after he made his feelings known after the trade if for no other reason than to grab some spotlight.

 

It's pathetic and counterproductive.

[TheKilo]

And if you think his comments were to promote himself as a commentator after baseball then I don't know what to tell you - you'll apologize for Schilling no matter what he says.

[BoSox21]

Why would out of town reporters be in the Red Sox clubhouse?

 

I'm saying he's been getting Manny-related questions all season long anyway cause he was seen as his best friend.

 

The media obviously feels differently because of the headlines this made but to me, Curt Schilling is no different from Lou Merloni or Brian Daubach now

[TheKilo]

Lou Merloni and Brian Daubach didn't steal $8 million from the Red Sox this year and then cry about the Sox having him do rehab instead of getting surgery, which would guarantee they'd get nothing out of him this year.

[TheKilo]

he wanted to voice his opinion and bring to light certain things that were in the dark, thats all

 

you're gonna hear a lot more of this type of stuff from a lot of other people during the off-season

 

I missed this quote - then why did he say "You guys only know 10% of what happened - if you knew what I know you'd feel the same way" or something to that effect.

 

Seems to me like that's not exactly bringing things to light.

[BoSox21]

Lou Merloni and Brian Daubach didn't steal $8 million from the Red Sox this year and then cry about the Sox having him do rehab instead of getting surgery' date=' which would guarantee they'd get nothing out of him this year.[/quote']

 

Again, what the hell does Schilling making $8 mil from the Sox have to do with what Manny did as a member of the Red Sox?

 

I missed this quote - then why did he say "You guys only know 10% of what happened - if you knew what I know you'd feel the same way" or something to that effect.

 

He said "What you guys hear and see is generally 10 to 20 percent of what exists." in response to Glenn Ordway saying Ortiz appeared to be short with the media before Manny left obviously implying he was very frustrated with Manny but was trying to put on a good face.

 

Seems to me like that's not exactly bringing things to light.

 

"The guy got to dress in a locker away from the team for seven years,"

 

"[speaking to Merloni:] Lou, you're in Seattle, and if you refused to get on a team plane, you know what they'd do? They'd give you an Air France ticket home."

 

And then Merloni saying that he spoke with someone in the clubhouse asking them how bad it was and they responded by saying "Carl Everett"

 

Now some already knew these things and some didn't, but it did bring it to light.

[rician blast]

EEI loves having him on because he'll talk and squalk and shake things up. So they go down a line of questioning that they know will create some discussion. IMO, Schilling's done nothing wrong, said nothing out of line...he's giving his account of the dysfunctionality caused by Manny...in a sense, sounds like he cares a helluva lot more about the Sox than people acknowledge, as he'll call someone out who did not have the team's best interests at heart.

[BoSox21]

I'd say he cares about baseball and the tradition and integrity of the sport as opposed to the Sox and will call out anyone who disrespects the game, hence his outspokenness regarding the steroid issue

[rician blast]

I'd say he cares about baseball and the tradition and integrity of the sport as opposed to the Sox and will call out anyone who disrespects the game' date=' hence his outspokenness regarding the steroid issue[/quote']

 

You make a good point unless you're saying he doesn't care about the Sox...I think he cares greatly about the Red Sox.

[TheKilo]

Again' date=' what the hell does Schilling making $8 mil from the Sox have to do with what Manny did as a member of the Red Sox?[/quote']

 

It doesn't. You said you equated Schilling to Merloni and Daubach. I countered with the argument that Merloni and Daubach get paid to be analysts and commentators.

 

Schilling's job is to pitch. 2/3 are doing their jobs this season. Who are they?

 

 

He said "What you guys hear and see is generally 10 to 20 percent of what exists." in response to Glenn Ordway saying Ortiz appeared to be short with the media before Manny left obviously implying he was very frustrated with Manny but was trying to put on a good face.

 

In the words of a700hitter, the players are big boys. Why does Schilling need to speak for Ortiz?

 

 

 

"The guy got to dress in a locker away from the team for seven years,"

 

Interesting, because Schilling's only been on the team for four.

 

"[speaking to Merloni:] Lou, you're in Seattle, and if you refused to get on a team plane, you know what they'd do? They'd give you an Air France ticket home."

 

And then Merloni saying that he spoke with someone in the clubhouse asking them how bad it was and they responded by saying "Carl Everett"

 

Now some already knew these things and some didn't, but it did bring it to light.

 

Why air these concerns now? You still haven't told me anything productive airing this dirty laundry caused, and until then I maintain this is an incredible waste of time and serves no purpose other than to make Curt Schilling look like a blowhard.

[TheKilo]

I also find Curt's definition of "disrespect" laughable.

 

Can someone tell me if the following situation is disrespectful to the Boston Red Sox?

 

Player X signs an $8 million + contract to pitch for a major league baseball team.

 

Player X has a major shoulder injury in the offseason workouts.

 

Player X's personal physician is given permission to give interviews that drag the Red Sox FO through the mud saying that the FO insists Player X try rehab before shoulder surgery, even though they know surgery equates to losing Player X for the entire season (and getting nothing on their $8 million investment)

 

While Player X's doctors slam the Red Sox FO, Player X only says things like "I guess I never knew that the business side of baseball could be so ugly," even though he isn't willing to give back the $8 million he knows is a sunk cost at this point.

 

Player X wanted the Red Sox FO to let him have surgery and miss the entire 2008 season, allowing him to be healthy and sign a new deal in 2009.

 

Player X, like Manny Ramirez, used a third party to slam the Red Sox FO and pursue his own agenda.

 

Is this respectful? Is this playing the game the right way?

[BoSox21]

You make a good point unless you're saying he doesn't care about the Sox...I think he cares greatly about the Red Sox.

 

I'm sure he cares about the Sox, he took less than he would've made other places and I'm sure most of the people he's friendly with in baseball are in the Sox clubhouse

[BoSox21]

It doesn't. You said you equated Schilling to Merloni and Daubach. I countered with the argument that Merloni and Daubach get paid to be analysts and commentators.

 

Schilling's job is to pitch. 2/3 are doing their jobs this season. Who are they?

 

I equate Schilling to Merloni and Daubach in the fact that all three shared a clubhouse with Manny.

 

In the words of a700hitter' date=' the players are big boys. Why does Schilling need to speak for Ortiz?[/quote']

 

He doesn't, but he ended up being asked if Ortiz being short with the media was because he was sick of Manny

 

Interesting' date=' because Schilling's only been on the team for four.[/quote']

 

He needs to be there for all 7 years to know he dressed away from the team? He couldn't have spoke with Wakefield or Varitek?

 

Why air these concerns now? You still haven't told me anything productive airing this dirty laundry caused' date=' and until then I maintain this is an incredible waste of time and serves no purpose other than to make Curt Schilling look like a blowhard.[/quote']

 

There's nothing productive about it but I don't see how it can be all that counter-productive to the Sox right now, they're still being asked about Manny everywhere they go anyway.

[TheKilo]

I equate Schilling to Merloni and Daubach in the fact that all three shared a clubhouse with Manny.

 

You dodged my question. Who's doing their job out of the three?

 

 

 

He doesn't, but he ended up being asked if Ortiz being short with the media was because he was sick of Manny

 

After he called in to discuss Manny.

 

 

There's nothing productive about it but I don't see how it can be all that counter-productive to the Sox right now, they're still being asked about Manny everywhere they go anyway.

 

SO you acknowledge it is a pointless exercise and no good can come from it, except for Schilling to be in the spotlight for his own interests. Gotcha.

[a700hitter]

Why did he say it now after he made his feelings known after the trade if for no other reason than to grab some spotlight.

 

It's pathetic and counterproductive.

Yes, he was drawing attention to himself. So, what? "Counterproductive" to what?

[a700hitter]

And if you think his comments were to promote himself as a commentator after baseball then I don't know what to tell you - you'll apologize for Schilling no matter what he says.

I am not apologizing for him. His statements don't offend me nor do I think they we have any effect on team performance. He is clearly desiring to position himself as a sports commentator. I heard that he was being considered by one of the networks to provide commentary in the post season, but it was blocked by the Red Sox.

[a700hitter]

I also find Curt's definition of "disrespect" laughable.

 

Can someone tell me if the following situation is disrespectful to the Boston Red Sox?

 

Player X signs an $8 million + contract to pitch for a major league baseball team.

 

Player X has a major shoulder injury in the offseason workouts.

 

Player X's personal physician is given permission to give interviews that drag the Red Sox FO through the mud saying that the FO insists Player X try rehab before shoulder surgery, even though they know surgery equates to losing Player X for the entire season (and getting nothing on their $8 million investment)

 

While Player X's doctors slam the Red Sox FO, Player X only says things like "I guess I never knew that the business side of baseball could be so ugly," even though he isn't willing to give back the $8 million he knows is a sunk cost at this point.

 

Player X wanted the Red Sox FO to let him have surgery and miss the entire 2008 season, allowing him to be healthy and sign a new deal in 2009.

 

Player X, like Manny Ramirez, used a third party to slam the Red Sox FO and pursue his own agenda.

 

Is this respectful? Is this playing the game the right way?

We get it. You don't like Curt. Others of us like him, but you are picking the wrong battle to make him out as a bad guy. These comments are fairly innocuous, and very little of it is new and the portion that was new was not shocking or scandalous. To make this out as some sort of counterproductive distraction for the team is a little odd coming from a guy that wanted Bonds to come to Boston. Also, the whole "he's under contract to pitch so he should shut his mouth" argument is just ridiculous.

[TheKilo]

We get it. You don't like Curt.

 

I actually do, except when he opens his mouth when it is uncalled for, which he does quite often.

 

Others of us like him, but you are picking the wrong battle to make him out as a bad guy. These comments are fairly innocuous, and very little of it is new and the portion that was new was not shocking or scandalous.

 

I agree. Nothing is new. SO WHY DID HE HAVE TO CALL IN AND CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS?

 

To make this out as some sort of counterproductive distraction for the team is a little odd coming from a guy that wanted Bonds to come to Boston. Also, the whole "he's under contract to pitch so he should shut his mouth" argument is just ridiculous.

 

I don't think this will be a distraction to the Boston Red Sox.

 

I don't think the comments could result in anything positive for the Boston Red Sox.

 

Therefore, I find his comments counterproductive to the current team, because there's no reason to bring this up when in two weeks they'll begin their run to defend their WS Championship.

 

 

I'll say the same thing to you I said to Bosox. If you could name one, ONE positive thing that could result from these comments by Curt Schilling, I'll give him a pass. Until then, he deserves to be criticized AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY is he is not pitching for them this season.

[a700hitter]

I don't think this will be a distraction to the Boston Red Sox.

 

I don't think the comments could result in anything positive for the Boston Red Sox.

 

Therefore, I find his comments counterproductive to the current team, because there's no reason to bring this up when in two weeks they'll begin their run to defend their WS Championship.

The conclusion in this third statement is logically inconsistent with the premises in your prior two statements. Just because comments are not positive does not make them counterproductive.

I'll say the same thing to you I said to Bosox. If you could name one' date=' ONE positive thing that could result from these comments by Curt Schilling, I'll give him a pass. Until then, he deserves to be criticized AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY is he is not pitching for them this season.[/quote']There is nothing positive about his comments, but there are no detrimental consequences either. Remarks about the team that are not positive are not necessarily damaging either. His statements will have no effect on the team, and whether he is pitching has nothing to do with any of this. If his remarks were damaging, he should be criticized whether or not he is pitching.

[TheKilo]

Thing is - you don't know if there will be detrimental consequences to his comments, but you do know nothing good can come of them.

 

Look - Schilling's got the right to say whatever he wants - but since there is nothing positive that can result from them, it would have been better if he didn't make them.

 

Especially considering he has his own issues to deal with.

[rician blast]

Manny was being an *******.

Schilling wanted it to be known that Manny had been an *******.

Mission accomplished.

[BoSox21]

Manny was being an *******.

Schilling wanted it to be known that Manny had been an *******.

Mission accomplished.

 

thats pretty much why im glad he made the comments. that, and hopefully it'll sway GMs from giving Manny the 4-year, 100 mil deal he wants

[rician blast]

Bosox, I have to admit I'm kinda thinking along those lines myself...it wouldn't hurt me in the least to see Manny's antics end up costing him money.

[TheKilo]

thats pretty much why im glad he made the comments. that' date=' and hopefully it'll sway GMs from giving Manny the 4-year, 100 mil deal he wants[/quote']

 

Question dodged again - that's cool.

[BoSox21]

What question am I dodging? you keep asking how what he said is productive and I replied with this awhile ago:

 

There's nothing productive about it but I don't see how it can be all that counter-productive to the Sox right now' date=' they're still being asked about Manny everywhere they go anyway.[/quote']

 

so what exactly are you looking for?

[TheKilo]

Out of Brian Daubach, Lou Merloni, and Curt Schilling, who is the one not doing the job they get paid to do?

[BoSox21]

Curt Schilling cause he's injured, whats your point?

[TheKilo]

Curt Schilling should not criticize the way his peers do their jobs, when he can't do his own.

[Gom]

Seriously...and you guys may hate hearing this....

 

The front office dropped the ball. Look, in 2000, we picked up Moose and you picked up Manny. Both deals were good for both teams.

 

When Moose neared the end of his contract, the Yankees extended him due to need as well as a reward for not only continued good play but past performance.

 

The Red Sox let him twist in the wind. All he wanted was an extension. Business decision or not, it was the human element that killed this. Most players who sign a contract want extensions at the end.

 

Were Manny's actions wrong? Absolutely. Did he deserve an extension? Irrelevant. However, the Red Sox FO should have either extended him or traded him before this season began. My two cents.

[TheKilo]

Disagreed, Gom. He was under contract this season, he was under their control.