Beckett's Next Start Pushed Back; Citing Right Arm "Numbness and Tingling"

[jacksonianmarch]

Like I said before, this could be nothing, or it could be serious. The Sox and Beckett have every reason to figure this out now.

[BSN07]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3558531

 

He's going to see Dr. Andrews. Go threw as much self denial as you need too, but this my friends is NEVER a good thing. I'd say there is a 90% chance he is going to have TJ, or need some kind of elbow surgery. I didn't feel great about this when I heard " numbness and tingling ", Now that he going to go see Dr. Andrews, the most fan feared Dr. in all of sports, I know this isn't good.

 

 

If it's TJ, Beckett is probably not pitching until 2010. He could possibly make it back by this time next year, but why rush and come back for just a month? Take all of 2009 off, and be 100% come 2010.

Of course there's contract issues to worry about also, I had a feeling the Sox where going to lock Beckett in long term this off season, now who knows.

 

 

I'd say the Sox will be looking for a SP this off season, one they can have for the year and as a back up plan for Beckett.

[rician blast]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3558531

 

Of course there's contract issues to worry about also, I had a feeling the Sox where going to lock Beckett in long term this off season, now who knows.

 

I was anticipating that no extension was going to be offered until they saw how he comes out of the gates next year. 2008 Josh Beckett doesn't equal 2007 JB and I suspect before giveing him $13-$15m per year for the next several years that FO was going to wait and see...now they have no choice.

 

As far as signing a FA until Beckett comes back, assuming he misses significant time, unfortunately what you get for a SP when you try to sign short-term is not going to be a Sheets/Sanathia, etc. as those caliber guys will be signing long-term deals.

 

There's always the possibility of trading for someone who'll be a 2010 free agent and whom their current organization is sure they won't be able to resign....but that means moving prospects. Brandon Webb, anyone?

[ORS]

I'd throw them till their arms fell off and I'd let some other team pay big bucks for the broken down shell.

No you wouldn't. This practically describes Pedro right before he left, and you still stomp your feet about them not bringing him back.

[BoSox21]

He makes a lot of money under his current contract' date=' and he is being paid to pitch. His contract is guaranteed so he gets paid whether or not he blows out his arm. I don't like that he is already concerned about his next contract. He has no concern about earning his current guaranteed money. Pardon me if I don't cry if he breaks down and only makes $60 million in his career instead of $160 million. He's being paid to pitch and he has no pain or injury that is preventing him from performing. Tingling in his arm. Sleeping contraptions. Sickening.[/quote']

 

does he not have a right to figure out what the hell is causing the tingling and numbness in his elbow? all that's been done so far is the Sox have had Beckett throw when the sensations subside. the first time, it came back. the second time, it didn't. why shouldn't he go to the proper lengths to get an actual diagnosis before he leaves in the 3rd inning of a start with his elbow torn to s***?

[Mr Crunchy]

becks is here till 2010 i believe?

this will be a major block in our efforts to repeat,in fact it maybe the dagger.

or he could have a hot nerve,sort of like swinging a hammer too long or for you country club types,tennis elbow...

in any case lets hope it can be dealt with for 8 more starts this year

[jacksonianmarch]

Beckett's contract runs through 2009 with a 12 mil option for 2010

[a700hitter]

No you wouldn't. This practically describes Pedro right before he left' date=' and you still stomp your feet about them not bringing him back.[/quote']:lol:ORS, one of the best things I like about your posting style is that you are a wise ass, but not when it is directed at me. yes, I had a soft spot for Pedro, but very few others. With Pedro, if it had been my money, and I had consulted with the doctors, I might have felt differently.

[a700hitter]

does he not have a right to figure out what the hell is causing the tingling and numbness in his elbow? all that's been done so far is the Sox have had Beckett throw when the sensations subside. the first time' date=' it came back. the second time, it didn't. why shouldn't he go to the proper lengths to get an actual diagnosis before he leaves in the 3rd inning of a start with his elbow torn to s***?[/quote']If there is something structurally wrong, the question is whether you operate now or later. Why operate now if he can still pitch? I guess the answer would be so that he is fully healed and rehabbed about the time his contract runs out. He's being paid to pitch. He has no pain and there has been no drop in his velocity. Pitch and stop being a whining hypochondriac.

[rician blast]

Pitch and stop being a whining hypochondriac.

 

What makes you so sure that it's his decision? If I'm the Sox, I'm getting this thing checked out thoroughly because there is too much at stake...in terms of winning and in terms of $$$. You f*** this guy up by running him out there with a vulnerable arm, and you not only lose him for a playoff run, maybe you're paying him $10m next year while he rehabs from surgery.

 

Can't play around with this thing.

[a700hitter]

What makes you so sure that it's his decision? If I'm the Sox, I'm getting this thing checked out thoroughly because there is too much at stake...in terms of winning and in terms of $$$. You f*** this guy up by running him out there with a vulnerable arm, and you not only lose him for a playoff run, maybe you're paying him $10m next year while he rehabs from surgery.

 

Can't play around with this thing.

That's what I get from hearing Terry and Beckett about this. It is very clear to me that Beckett is the one who is concerned at this point, not the Red Sox. It is the Red Sox decision to send him to Andrews, because they don't need him worrying on the mound. Francona was very diplomatic, but it is clear that it is Beckett that is worried, not the Sox:

 

I think the best word I can use is we're just trying to get some closure," Francona said. "We never want to send anyone out there that's not 100 percent. We're no more pessimistic about him today than we were, but when he goes out there [again] we want him to be able to pitch with peace of mind.

[jacksonianmarch]

You are trusting the word of a sox mouthpiece about an injured pitcher? Until a roster move is made, you wont know the true story. That fact that he threw one day and was scheduled to pitch vs the CWS and then the next day he was scratched tells me that his arm is still feeling it. Like I said before, sometimes this could be a predictor of significant internal derangement. Sometimes, this is a nagging nerve issue that will go away. We'll see.

[BoSox21]

it's best to reserve all opinion on this subject until Dr. Andrews' diagnosis is made public. There's no sense is trying to read between the lines of what Beckett, Francona and Theo are saying

[a700hitter]

You are trusting the word of a sox mouthpiece about an injured pitcher? Until a roster move is made' date=' you wont know the true story. That fact that he threw one day and was scheduled to pitch vs the CWS and then the next day he was scratched tells me that his arm is still feeling it. Like I said before, sometimes this could be a predictor of significant internal derangement. Sometimes, this is a nagging nerve issue that will go away. We'll see.[/quote']Have you been following the story. Beckett has said that he has no pain and no tingling. Why would he lie? Did you see the highlighted part of francona's quote. Translation: Beckett is worried. We are not.

[a700hitter]

it's best to reserve all opinion on this subject until Dr. Andrews' diagnosis is made public. There's no sense is trying to read between the lines of what Beckett' date=' Francona and Theo are saying[/quote']Joba's situation was more concerning. He felt grabbing while on the mound. Andrews found tendinitis. Jackson is the MD. Does he think that the guy can throw 95 mph for 100+ pitches with structural damage in the elbow? Of course this awaits the decision of the Doctor. Let's not forget that he is paid to cut people, so there may be a predisposition to surgery. My gripe isn't just with Beckett. He is just symptomatic of the wussification of baseball players, pitcher in particular.

[jacksonianmarch]

I have said many times in the Joba thread that Andrews is actually known for his conservative management. He isnt going to rush into cutting a player if he isnt sure the guy needs it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Joba's situation was more concerning. He felt grabbing while on the mound. Andrews found tendinitis. Jackson is the MD. Does he think that the guy can throw 95 mph for 100+ pitches with structural damage in the elbow? Of course this awaits the decision of the Doctor. Let's not forget that he is paid to cut people' date=' so there may be a predisposition to surgery. My gripe isn't just with Beckett. He is just symptomatic of the wussification of baseball players, pitcher in particular.[/quote']

 

If the UCL is torn, it is difficult to maintain that type of velocity for that long. That being said, we have seen some guys throw with rotator cuffs and UCLs that are holding on by a thread and extend their time until surgery. It is all player specific.

[a700hitter]

If the UCL is torn' date=' it is difficult to maintain that type of velocity for that long. That being said, we have seen some guys throw with rotator cuffs and UCLs that are holding on by a thread and extend their time until surgery. It is all player specific.[/quote']If there is some displacement of the nerve, do they usually continue to pitch until they experience pain that inhibits performance? My understanding is that Papelbon's ulnar nerve is displaced and has been since his school days due to a dislocation of the elbow. He claims that he always has tingling in his fingers.

[BoSox21]

any reports of how Beckett feels after the start?

[TheKilo]

Heidi Watney - Beckett feels fantastic, no tingling, all smiles in the clubhouse last night and today.

[a700hitter]

Heidi Watney - Beckett feels fantastic' date=' no tingling, all smiles in the clubhouse last night and today.[/quote']A young guy smiling at Heidi Watney. From this were are supposed to conclude that he fine. Also, I am concerned that he feels no tingling when he is talking to Heidi.