Joba leaves with shoulder pain

[Mr Crunchy]

now we got something in that role

ellsbury is the spark as most leadoff guys are.

if he produces they knock everyone down a notch in the batting order and all of a sudden we are only hiding tek..

kevin cash should be getting more playing time regardless,tek is old and broken and needs rest

[VA Sox Fan]

Id shrug off the Manny/Papi comment... but what a disgrace of a human being to say Lester's cancer had come back and he died from it

 

Seriously. Me too about Manny/Papi. But Lester? FK YOU A-HOLE

[a700hitter]

Stamina is a relative thing a700 and some guys dont throw the 7th inning because they run out of steam in the 6th or the 5th. It is rare to find horses like Halladay in this day and age. More emphasis is placed on OBP' date=' more batters are taking pitches and more hitters can hit. Lineups are 9 deep with guys who can hit instead of 1-5 being tough and the rest being cupcakes.[/quote']David Cone just mentioned that nolan Ryan is trying to condition his pitchers throughout the Rangers organization to go an extra inning. He wants everyone conditioned to throw 120 pitches each turn.

[jacksonianmarch]

and he will see that some of the higher velocity pitchers will break down. More torque = more velocity = more strain.

[a700hitter]

and he will see that some of the higher velocity pitchers will break down. More torque = more velocity = more strain.

...or he'll have a better conditioned major league staff that can go deeper into games putting less reliance on a bullpen.

[ORS]

if Ellsbury earns back the leadoff spot' date=' Youkilis falls back to 7th, Tek will bat 8th and Lowrie will bat 9th. not a bad 7-9 block[/quote']

Youkilis hitting 7th? Look, I know you have this irrational hatred for the guy, but that's flat out nuts.

[a700hitter]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN196307020.shtml

 

Box Score from the game you referenced. Check out that offensive powerhouse Marichal faced. Back then, pitchers did not throw 100% all the time because they didn't have to. They retired the #7 hitter with the .469 OPS with their warmup stuff.

 

Hitters weren't as good back then. Pitchers had it easier.

...or it could be that batters had lower OPS #'s because the pitchers were better. They had better and more consistent secondary pitches. Among other reasons, there was no DH. Batters didn't dare dig in the batter's box. Many guys were still not wearing helmets and those that did wore little skull cap helmets with no protective ear flaps. If you watch films from the 50's and 60's you'll see batters bailing out against curve ballers, because they were more vulnerable. There was no body armor on batters. In the 50's and 60's managers insisted that everyone except maybe the number 3 and 4 hitters give themselves up and hit the ball the other way to move a runner along. Are hitters better today than back in the 50's and 60's. Yes. They are bigger and stronger, but so are the pitchers. It's ridiculous to think that batters have evolved in size and strength at a different rate than pitchers. Everything is relative. Today bigger stronger batters bat against bigger stronger pitchers. The difference is that pitchers are conditioned differently than they were 40 years ago.

[jacksonianmarch]

and the mound was higher

[a700hitter]

and the mound was higher

Yes. How could I forget the most obvious of all reasons. Good pick up.

[a700hitter]

What course of treatment has been prescribed for Joba?

[Thumper]

What course of treatment has been prescribed for Joba?

 

Latest news, by 3 days.

 

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080805&content_id=3257417&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

[jacksonianmarch]

Rest for 1 week.

 

Throwing program for 2 weeks.

 

Re-eval in there somewhere and he could be throwing in our rotation before the end of the month.

 

One thing to be stressed is that this injury can completely heal on its own and if it does, no further rest is warranted. It is imperative that the yankees ensure that the injury is 100% healed

[TheKilo]

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/

 

* Joba Chamberlain flew back from Florida today. He will play catch on Friday afternoon before the game. “It’s day-by-day,” said Brian Cashman. “We’re going to be careful with him. It’s certainly possible he won’t pitch again this season. But what he has shouldn’t preclude that.”

 

Shutting him down?

[Optimist]

Why not? No point rushing him back. Keep him fresh for next year.

[Gom]

This is the guy you're high on? One who wants to give up on the season? It's one thing for me to give up. It's another when you're own GM does.

[TheKilo]

Question - if he's healthy, why not have him throw ~25 more innings so he can continue his natural innings progression?

 

What would he be on pace for next season?

[ARod2212]

Question - if he's healthy, why not have him throw ~25 more innings so he can continue his natural innings progression?

 

What would he be on pace for next season?

If he's healthy, he'll pitch regardless of the standings.

[jacksonianmarch]

Question - if he's healthy, why not have him throw ~25 more innings so he can continue his natural innings progression?

 

What would he be on pace for next season?

 

thats the plan. If he gets another 25 innings or so, he's be right around the 130 inning mark. That would leave him open, theoretically to 170IP, which is right where he should be and is much more manageable. All you'd need to do in that spot is skip him a few times and you are golden