Bullpen Concerns

[BoSox21]

to me, the entire thing depends on the status of Dice-K's shoulder

[TheKilo]

to me' date=' the entire thing depends on the status of Dice-K's shoulder[/quote']

 

DiceK should be back next week.

 

While tempting, I think the Sox have to pass on this. Although, they should still inquire because if they can get him for a similar package the Mets got Santana, it'd be foolish to not ask.

[das11209]

May be Theo dangles some goodies in front of Cleveland long enough so they finally trade him to NL instead of the Yankees. I wonder if I have seen it sometime before with another left handed ace sometime early this year.

[YAZMAN]

Who's his agent ?

 

Seems like Jacko is.

 

Either that, or he's already convincing himself that picking up CC would be a good move for the Y*nks.

 

Which, even at 3-8, it just may be.

[CrespoBlows]

Picking up Sabathia would be a outstanding move for New York. I just don't believe the Yankees have the pieces to get him.

[jacksonianmarch]

We have the pieces, no question. The question is whether we are willing to part with them.

[redsoxrules]

speaking of CC he threw a CG 5 hit shutout today

[CrespoBlows]

We have the pieces' date=' no question. The question is whether we are willing to part with them.[/quote']

 

Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy?

[jacksonianmarch]

we have other guys deeper in the org as well. I just dont see the rationale of dealing away top prospects for a guy who is intent on hitting the FA market. Hence, I want him in the FA period.

 

For the record, the other guys who will undoubtedly garner interest include Montero, Betances, Heredia, Tabata, Jacksonm Horne, McCutchen and others. You seem to forget that this system is deep as hell. Unfortunately, until we start to slot in young players for yrs, we dont seem to want to make a mistake.

[CrespoBlows]

we have other guys deeper in the org as well. I just dont see the rationale of dealing away top prospects for a guy who is intent on hitting the FA market. Hence, I want him in the FA period.

 

For the record, the other guys who will undoubtedly garner interest include Montero, Betances, Heredia, Tabata, Jacksonm Horne, McCutchen and others. You seem to forget that this system is deep as hell. Unfortunately, until we start to slot in young players for yrs, we dont seem to want to make a mistake.

 

Those are all quality players, but I'd think the Guardians would want blue chip prospects. I suggested Hughes and Kennedy as possible trade candidates.

 

Kennedy is probably not going to get a lot of interest, but Hughes and maybe two of the players on that list would get a deal done.

[ORS]

How is Tabata mentioned as anything other than a punchline right now? He's over a year removed from his hamate bone surgery. No power, no contact, and a bad attitude to boot. He's walked out on his team during a game, and he's just recently been disciplined again by the organization for attitude problems. I don't care if he's only 19 at AA because .248/.325/.294 just flat out sucks.

[jacksonianmarch]

so you give up on a guy because he has a poor 2 months. I see.

 

Regardless, they will most certainly ask for Hughes or Melky or Kennedy or all 3.

 

They may also ask for Horne and McCutchen.

They may see past Marquez and his poor start to his AAA campaign.

They may go after the red hot JB Cox or Mark Melancon, both of whom look like MLB candidates this yr.

Maybe they go for George Kontos who is just lighting up AA.

Maybe they ask for Austin Jackson who is showing more patience this yr than ever, but the power hasnt come yet.

How about Juan Miranda who was OPSing well prior to his injury.

Or maybe they try and get Humberto Sanchez prior to his return from TJ (which will be in the next 2 weeks).

Maybe they ask for Tabata whose power numbers are way down, but he is the youngest player in AA and has been solid of late, attitude aside.

Maybe they go for the rehabbing Garcia or the solid Ryan Pope in A+ ball.

How bout Cervelli who should be back from his wrist injury in a week or so

Brett Gardner maybe, who is absolutely tearing up AAA

Or maybe the multitude of high upside players in the SAL?

Montero, Romine, Almonte, Suttle, Angelini, Heredia, Betances, and the list goes on

 

The point is, this is the deepest yankee system since the championship teams. If the Guardians want to headline with 2 blue chippers ready for the MLB, then we are in the same situation as you guys. Bowden, Masterson, Lowrie, then what? Hughes, Kennedy, Horne, McCutchen, Miranda, Gardner, then what? If they want to dig deeper and go for one of those 4 or 5 prospect for one player deals, we have the goods. I'd just hate to see it happen.

[ORS]

I didn't say you give up on him, but you certainly don't give up talent to acquire such a project. And, that is what he is at this point, a project not a prospect.

[jacksonianmarch]

I disagree. His status has certainly been hurt by his lack of power and his attitude. Then again, he is the youngest player in a league that many teams use to catapult players to the bigs. So he isnt a project. Projects are guys like Dan Bard was 2 yrs ago. Great tools, lots of rawness, start in the SAL and need to work their way up. Tabata isnt raw as a hitter. He has a very solid swing. I just think he is finally experiencing failure in the more difficult league and he's getting his kinks out. Plus the hamate surgery doesnt help. It can take up to a yr to get the strength back fully and as you see with Kalish, the power is the last thing to return.

 

Regardless, what I do like is that he has improved in every month thus far. From his abysmal april (.200/.308/.233) to his less abysmal may (.271/.319/.327) to his so far solid June (.333/.423/.381). I do agree that he wouldnt be a headline prospect at this point, but it isnt like he wouldnt be wanted at all in a trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

and I think it would all depend on what the Guardians wanted. If they wanted pitching, I dont think you guys could come close to the packages we could offer. If they preferred offense, then I dont think we could touch the depth in the position player area that you guys have.

[ORS]

He's a singles hitting COF with attitude problems. It is like he wouldn't be wanted at all.

 

As for the pitching that could be offered, I disagree. The Yankees have more volume to offer, but who cares? Look at half the guys on that list. McCutcheon and Marquez? Nobodies. They are in AAA and have never hit a top-anything list. Kontos? Who? Stop trotting out these types of names as if they have some real appeal. Two years ago it was Clippard and Karstens. Last year it was Chase Wright. These guys don't make headlines just on statisitical performance alone. The scouts have to see something, and outside of the PravdaProspectsPlus - a Yankee fan scouting site - the national scouts have little to say about them. When pressed in the past, the national scouting services were low on Clippard and Karstens and Wright and Kennedy. Looks like their relative silence regarding these guys is telling. Or do I get to trot out names like Zink, who has been awesome in AAA this year?

[TheKilo]

I love watching ORS just completely dismantle Jacko.

[ORS]

I'm not saying that one of those guys won't develop into a decent MLB regular. Just look at Rasner. Thing is, he was picked up on waivers (speaking of which, they should do everything they can to move him now while he looks decent before the other shoe drops - and it will). There's just no buzz about these types of guys. Hughes? I think they can attempt excuse his performance with the injury and use the buzz he had coming into the year. Kennedy? Not so much. Betances and Montero? They'll get you more than Kontos, McCutcheon, and Marquez.

[BSN07]

Throw in the fact that when the Sox Pitching prospects get to the ML, they have for the most part provided good quality pitching. The Yanks Pitching prospects(not named Joba) have provided very little at the ML level. In fact for most, there value as Pitching prospects has fallen. I think this says something about each teams system.

 

If I'm a GM I'm weary of Yankee pitching prospects.

[YAZMAN]

If I'm a GM I'm weary of Yankee pitching prospects.

 

Or just weary, period.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's a singles hitting COF with attitude problems. It is like he wouldn't be wanted at all.

 

As for the pitching that could be offered, I disagree. The Yankees have more volume to offer, but who cares? Look at half the guys on that list. McCutcheon and Marquez? Nobodies. They are in AAA and have never hit a top-anything list. Kontos? Who? Stop trotting out these types of names as if they have some real appeal. Two years ago it was Clippard and Karstens. Last year it was Chase Wright. These guys don't make headlines just on statisitical performance alone. The scouts have to see something, and outside of the PravdaProspectsPlus - a Yankee fan scouting site - the national scouts have little to say about them. When pressed in the past, the national scouting services were low on Clippard and Karstens and Wright and Kennedy. Looks like their relative silence regarding these guys is telling. Or do I get to trot out names like Zink, who has been awesome in AAA this year?

 

Lack of national coverage has more to do with the lack of scouting per se. McCutchen and Marquez havent carved out names for themselves because they were written off rather early. Kontos is a real power pitcher who doesnt get press for whatever reason. How can you be down on a kid who throws 92-95 with a plus slider? Regardless, continue to rag on the system. It doesnt help that the sox have the biggest sports propaganda machine (ESPN) in their pocket and hence have more exposure. You will see.

[Optimist]

At least he's doing good things with his time off...

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080611&content_id=2891506&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[yeszir]

Way to go Ortiz!

[BSN07]

Lack of national coverage has more to do with the lack of scouting per se. McCutchen and Marquez havent carved out names for themselves because they were written off rather early. Kontos is a real power pitcher who doesnt get press for whatever reason. How can you be down on a kid who throws 92-95 with a plus slider? Regardless' date=' continue to rag on the system. [b']It doesnt help that the sox have the biggest sports propaganda machine (ESPN) in their pocket and hence have more exposure.[/b] You will see.

 

 

I'm at such a loss....please give me a second.......... Ok now that I have picked myslef up off the floor. Dude.... (Insert best pot and kettle joke here), This coming from a Yankee fan is absurd, During the Yanks title run they had a plenty of coverage. Infact up until 2004-2005ish, ESPN's baseball analyst where manly always picking the Yanks to win. Everyone had them running over Detroit on the way to the world series in 05. After that series, everyone seem to take a collective step back on the Yanks. And begin to say that they where never going to win again until they changed the way they did things. But before then the Yanks where always in the press nation wide whether it be the big trade or the big signing. For awhile there all off season long the baseball coverage was pretty much who will the Yanks get this off season.

 

Granted today there is even more media then ever, so of course it will seem like the Sox are getting more coverage, theres just more of it out there. And when you win and your an interesting topic, then you will also see more air time. The Sox proportion wise are getting no more then what the Yanks used to get.

 

But don't get me wrong Jacko, got nothing but love for ya trying LOL:thumbsup:

[ORS]

Lack of national coverage has more to do with the lack of scouting per se. McCutchen and Marquez havent carved out names for themselves because they were written off rather early. Kontos is a real power pitcher who doesnt get press for whatever reason. How can you be down on a kid who throws 92-95 with a plus slider? Regardless' date=' continue to rag on the system. It doesnt help that the sox have the biggest sports propaganda machine (ESPN) in their pocket and hence have more exposure. You will see.[/quote']

That's it? This is the extent of your defense, that ESPN props up the Sox prospects? What a load of ********. ESPN catches wind of who blue-chippers are well after the national scouting services have pegged them as potential future stars. And besides, the favorable coverage by ESPN extends to the Yankees too. It's all about the $$. The Yankees fanbase is the biggest in the country, they get catered to every bit as much as the Sox.

 

These guys might be good in the future, but I know what they aren't now. They aren't enough to be centerpieces for Sabathia.

[Jayhawk Bill]

America became a stronger nation today.

[ksushi]

Congrats to David Ortiz, then! Next goal: run for Governor.

[Cocos Disciples]

My god ORS, no matter how good of a poster you are, I can't take you seriously with that avatar.

[ORS]

It's great, isn't it?

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah well, for some reason I sometimes associate people's avatars with what they actually look like, and well...yeah.