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[a700hitter]

Some of you guys are just dumb..

What Girardi has said, and what the Yankees did today is nothing at all like what the Yankees of recent years would have done. Girardi wants to establish himself as the new manager and implement his approaches, and that means changing the ships course of direction. He said he was going to be him, and not Joe Torre. Setting the tone and pretty much saying that this new Yankee team is going to play hard, and not back down from anybody is a good thing. I like the aggressive attitude. Johnson went in hard on Cervelli, Girardi essentially said "you guys wanna play like that, we can play that game too." I like this. The youthful exuberance and aggressive attitude is something I embrace. This is going to be a fun team to watch in the coming years. It's a new chapter in the long tale of Yankee history.

It's going to be fun watching Girardi get fired.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

if you had a name like shelley wouldnt you look for the smallest man on the field to attack?

good to see the yanks show courage against a 140lb 2bman

 

What do you suggest he do, slide into first?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I really don't agree. Elliot Johnson is fighting for a roster spot and is working hard to get onto the team. Shelley Duncan's just an idiot.

 

Isn't Duncan fighting for a roster spot too, and working hard to get on the team?

 

Given the quotes from his manager, maybe Duncan was just trying to make a good impression on Girardi and increase his chances of making the team. Girardi didn't exactly condemn what Duncan did in the postgame:

 

“Shelley made a hard, aggressive slide and I would have to took at the replay to determine exactly what I think,” Joe Girardi said. “I will have to look to see how high it was. Some players are taught to try and break it up, like Shelley was. He went after his glove with his feet.”

[rician blast]

In the original incident, Cervelli blocked the plate and gave the runner no place to slide. Makes sense to me, he's trying to make an impression.

 

The runner, seeing the catcher in his path, levels him. Makes sense to me again...young player trying to make an impression.

 

Unfortunately a player got hurt. That's part of the game.

 

In yesterday's game, clearly the umpire thought Heath Phillips threw at Longoria...looking at the replay, it sure looked like it, but who knows. Again, part of baseball, and he was tossed.

 

Then along comes Duncan...28 years old, a 2001 draft pick of the Yankees, and a guy who has seen some MLB time. He's not an unknown, he doesn't need to make a name for himself, and he needs to play better to win a spot, not retaliate with a bush league attempt to injure.

 

Look at Duncan's slide...that is not "going in hard" that is sliding, then kicking the opponent. He's a fkn bush-league pussy.

[Mr Crunchy]

pussy sandy duncan??

wheat thins

 

lots of courage here

[rician blast]

More evidence of Shelly Duncan's lack of character:

 

"I’m very fortunate to have been able to spend a year with Roger. He’s really taught me a lot about being a person and how to play this game the right way.”

 

bwahahahahahahaha!

[rician blast]

If he only had a brain......

 

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[jacksonianmarch]

I find it funny that sox fans can call someone bush league after witnessing the past 7 or so seasons. The sox had always been the aggressors, throwing up and in without need, throwing a bat at the pitcher (Nixon), fighting at the drop of a hat. While the yankees under Torre had always been the pacifists. Now that we are acting like the aggressors, we are bush league. Do you not remember your roots?

[rician blast]

I find it funny that sox fans can call someone bush league after witnessing the past 7 or so seasons. The sox had always been the aggressors' date=' throwing up and in without need, throwing a bat at the pitcher (Nixon), fighting at the drop of a hat. While the yankees under Torre had always been the pacifists. Now that we are acting like the aggressors, we are bush league. Do you not remember your roots?[/quote']

 

 

So you're condoning the actions of Shelly Duncan?

[jacksonianmarch]

it was a bush league play. But I like retaliating. So I see no problem with it. I dont have a problem with a lot of things. I would have much rather seen a Joba ball in a players back though. Much cleaner and much more painful.

[BudLight]

To believe that Phillips intentionally threw at Longoria is a bit of a stretch. This guy is fighting to make the Yanks roster. He has a whole 7.1 innings of MLB experience. Why would he intentionally throw at someone, with 2 runners already on base, in his only start of the Spring? Doesn't make any sense to me. The Yanks need guys who can put the ball in the strike zone and get batters out, not pitchers who put guys on.

[rician blast]

BL, you make a good point. Something, though, made the ump see it differently. I suppose he could have been over-sensitive due to the collision in a prior game, but who knows.

[BudLight]

BL' date=' you make a good point. Something, though, made the ump see it differently. I suppose he could have been over-sensitive due to the collision in a prior game, but who knows.[/quote']

 

Yeah, he probably did overreact, I'm not arguing he shouldn't have been tossed due to the fact that both coaches were warned prior to the start of the game, I'm just responding to those who think Phillips intentionally threw at Longoria.

[jacksonianmarch]

Mussina looking really good today. I dont care how hard he throws, if he starts using the inside part of the plate, he could be better than average. If he wimps out and stays on the outside corner like he did last yr, he will suck.

[26 to 6]

Ok, I'll play.

 

 

Numbnuts, the distinction was between starter on the big club vs. prospect in AA. What position the starter will play is irrelevant.

 

 

There is a massive difference. Cervelli was hurt when someone exerted a bit too much effort. No intent to harm, unlike what Duncan did.

 

And since most of what you posted is minor nit picking, let's see what's left.

 

 

Well shiver me timbers, laddy. I could have sworn that a ship's course was it's direction. Ships don't have a "course of direction".

I was definitely nitpicking. Like Kilo does all the time. So I had to take the opportunity..

 

And forgive me, I'm not much f a seafarer.

 

Sometimes when my mind is zoning I tend to not put ideal amounts of thought into my posts. Just the way it is..

 

What I do see here though is folks who would condone a pitcher throwing a 90 + MPH fastball at a batter in retaliation but who disapprove of a position player sliding cleat high. Personally, I don't see a difference. Both actions can result in serious injury and both are dirty. So, the next time people post here that they hope A-Rod or Jeter or anyone else gets drilled, remember how you weighed in on this issue with Duncan.

Good post. It won't matter to them though.

 

Where were all of you when the likes of Pete Rose and Bob Gibson were playing. I realize a lot of us here, like myself, weren't around for that; but some of the older guys bitching and moaning about how bush league the Yankees are forgot how the game used to, and should be played. Hard with an immense amount of aggression and passion.

[TheKilo]

Isn't Duncan fighting for a roster spot too, and working hard to get on the team?

 

Given the quotes from his manager, maybe Duncan was just trying to make a good impression on Girardi and increase his chances of making the team. Girardi didn't exactly condemn what Duncan did in the postgame:

 

Quote:

“Shelley made a hard, aggressive slide and I would have to took at the replay to determine exactly what I think,” Joe Girardi said. “I will have to look to see how high it was. Some players are taught to try and break it up, like Shelley was. He went after his glove with his feet.”

 

So he's a hypocrite. Fantastic.

[TheKilo]

I find it funny that sox fans can call someone bush league after witnessing the past 7 or so seasons. The sox had always been the aggressors' date=' throwing up and in without need, throwing a bat at the pitcher (Nixon), fighting at the drop of a hat. While the yankees under Torre had always been the pacifists. Now that we are acting like the aggressors, we are bush league. Do you not remember your roots?[/quote']

 

I despise Trot Nixon, what the f*** is your point?

 

Keep in mind ARod started the fight back in '04.

[TheKilo]

I was definitely nitpicking. Like Kilo does all the time. So I had to take the opportunity..

 

And forgive me, I'm not much f a seafarer.

 

Sometimes when my mind is zoning I tend to not put ideal amounts of thought into my posts. Just the way it is..

 

You're the biggest f***ing idiot on this board. ORS had to basically spell out what I was saying for you.

 

 

Good post. It won't matter to them though.

 

Where were all of you when the likes of Pete Rose and Bob Gibson were playing. I realize a lot of us here, like myself, weren't around for that; but some of the older guys bitching and moaning about how bush league the Yankees are forgot how the game used to, and should be played. Hard with an immense amount of aggression and passion.

 

Pete Rose ran over a catcher in an All Star Game. Bush league.

 

You honestly believe going in cleats high is a good play?

 

I'd also like the Yankee fans to comment on the hypocrisy of Joe Girardi.

 

WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMOREEEEEEEEE

[Gom]

Kilo, since you're the newest member of the Die Hard Yankee Fan Club, let me point out some things to you buddy.

 

1) Girardi defended his player. That's what a manager is supposed to do. That's his JOB. That's every manager's job. I never saw a more uncomfortable manager defending his player than Torre when Clemens tried to spear Piazza with a bat shard in the World Series. Part of the job description.

 

2) Pete Rose ran over a catcher in an All-Star Game. The ultimate bush league play. Agreed. Spring training is different, but closer to the All-Star game IMHO.

 

3) I was watching the game. Phillips threw a high and tight fastball that brushed the Jersey. The ump over-reacted. You don't hit someone if there are two players on base with two out.

 

4) It's high time that the Yankees stood up for themselves. The Yankees, by and large, have been a very pacifist team under Torre. A little edge to them can't hurt them.

 

Now...all this being said....as a Yankee fan...Shelley Duncan was DEAD WRONG. I would not be surprised, nor upset, if he was suspended, and deservedly so. He took a chance at seriously injuring a player INTENTIONALLY. The play that broke Cervelli's wrist was a stupid, unnecessary play, but it was a clean play, and the injury was unintentional. This resulted in no injury to really speak of, but it was intentional.

 

You guys know me. I love the Yankees, but I do my best to not let my subjective love for my team cloud my objectivity.

[26 to 6]

He didnt have to spell s*** out for me. I read ur stupid ass post.

[BudLight]

There's a major difference between playing the game aggressively and playing in a style that more than likely could result in a serious injury to a player. What Duncan did was not playing aggressively, he could have seriously injured Iwamura. As for Girardi, a hypocrite, I don't think so. He didn't and hasn't condoned Duncan's actions, he is however showing that he will stand up for his players and that is not a bad character trait. While Joe Torre may have been at the helm during the last run of championships, he was not one to stand up for his players publicly. If there is any one ingredient the Yankees have been lacking over the past few years it's unity. Girardi, through his actions, will bring that unity to the team.

[Mr Crunchy]

ya

the yanks aint been the same since the gerbil attacked pedro and had his metal head stuffed into the fenway turf.

now theyre getting tuff by using a guy named shelly to take out a 2nd basemen in march?

lets face it

the yankee leaders are f***ing ****s

jeter?

arod?

wheres the giambino in all this?

the fish rots from the head up

[BudLight]

ya

the yanks aint been the same since the gerbil attacked pedro and had his metal head stuffed into the fenway turf.

now theyre getting tuff by using a guy named shelly to take out a 2nd basemen in march?

lets face it

the yankee leaders are f***ing ****s

jeter?

arod?

wheres the giambino in all this?

the fish rots from the head up

 

It's a hockey mentality Sean, you don't use your "leaders" for enforcement work, you use your goons. Duncan fits that category nicely. He can help you from time to time at the plate, but if he gets whacked upside the head with a 32/34 Louisville Slugger, nobody will miss him. It's the perfect scenario.

[Gom]

ya

the yanks aint been the same since the gerbil attacked pedro and had his metal head stuffed into the fenway turf.

now theyre getting tuff by using a guy named shelly to take out a 2nd basemen in march?

lets face it

the yankee leaders are f***ing ****s

jeter?

arod?

wheres the giambino in all this?

the fish rots from the head up

They weren't on the trip. They didn't go to the game. What did you want them to do, drive a couple of hours to get into the scrum?

[26 to 6]

St. Pete is right next to Tampa. Like 20 mins..

[Gom]

St. Pete is right next to Tampa. Like 20 mins..

Derek Jeter: Holy smokes, Arod! There's a basebrawl in St. Petersburg. It looks like Shelley Duncan is about to get taken out by the evil Gomes.

 

Arod: DJ! To the Arod-mobile! Let's go!

 

In the Arod-mobile..they'd get there in 20 seconds.

[TheKilo]

There's a major difference between playing the game aggressively and playing in a style that more than likely could result in a serious injury to a player. What Duncan did was not playing aggressively' date=' he could have seriously injured Iwamura. As for Girardi, a hypocrite, I don't think so. [b']He didn't and hasn't condoned Duncan's actions, he is however showing that he will stand up for his players and that is not a bad character trait.[/b] While Joe Torre may have been at the helm during the last run of championships, he was not one to stand up for his players publicly. If there is any one ingredient the Yankees have been lacking over the past few years it's unity. Girardi, through his actions, will bring that unity to the team.

 

He said that Duncan's play was "good, aggressive baseball" or something to that effect. How you can call that good, aggressive baseball and bitch about the Elliott Johnson play dirty at the same time reeks of hypocrisy.

[TheKilo]

He didnt have to spell s*** out for me. I read ur stupid ass post.

 

How old are you? I'm being honest. I may have my disagreements with guys like Jacko and Gom, but at least they contribute something to this board and conduct themselves with some kind of intelligence.

 

You, on the other hand...

[TheKilo]

Kilo, since you're the newest member of the Die Hard Yankee Fan Club, let me point out some things to you buddy.

 

1) Girardi defended his player. That's what a manager is supposed to do. That's his JOB. That's every manager's job. I never saw a more uncomfortable manager defending his player than Torre when Clemens tried to spear Piazza with a bat shard in the World Series. Part of the job description.

 

2) Pete Rose ran over a catcher in an All-Star Game. The ultimate bush league play. Agreed. Spring training is different, but closer to the All-Star game IMHO.

 

3) I was watching the game. Phillips threw a high and tight fastball that brushed the Jersey. The ump over-reacted. You don't hit someone if there are two players on base with two out.

 

4) It's high time that the Yankees stood up for themselves. The Yankees, by and large, have been a very pacifist team under Torre. A little edge to them can't hurt them.

 

Now...all this being said....as a Yankee fan...Shelley Duncan was DEAD WRONG. I would not be surprised, nor upset, if he was suspended, and deservedly so. He took a chance at seriously injuring a player INTENTIONALLY. The play that broke Cervelli's wrist was a stupid, unnecessary play, but it was a clean play, and the injury was unintentional. This resulted in no injury to really speak of, but it was intentional.

 

You guys know me. I love the Yankees, but I do my best to not let my subjective love for my team cloud my objectivity.

 

I can buy this post. I don't necessarily agree with everything in it, but overall I can't take issue with it.

[26 to 6]

How old are you? I'm being honest. I may have my disagreements with guys like Jacko and Gom, but at least they contribute something to this board and conduct themselves with some kind of intelligence.

 

You, on the other hand...

Kilo just f***ing go jerk off to some 2004 World Series highlights. That's the point I'm at with you... I dont care what you say or think, you're just some f***ing loser who gets big on a computer. You make some incredibly close-minded, one-sided posts. Some of your posts contradict the thoughts in others, you are unable to even think objectively about anything involving the Yankees. I mean s***, be fair, be consistent, or just shut the f*** up man. The sight of your username atop a post makes me cringe. I don't normally let people on the internet get under my skin too much, but I absolutely despise you. Moreso than I did ORS at one point. At least he is respectable. You are just a pathetic excuse for a baseball fan.