Schilling requires major shoulder surgery

[Anuj09]

What about Devern Hansack ? Couldn't he hold the spot until the all-star break or until Buchholz is ready?

[Cocos Disciples]

God no. Hes f***ing brutal. Anyways I think Buchholz is ready. The reason he wasnt originally in the rotation is it wasn't necessary. Now it is.

[Mr Crunchy]

we can survive now where in past years this would destroy our entire staff due to lack of depth forcing people into different roles that they couldnt step into

wake is a 200ip guy

dont sell those innings short especially now with this guy shelved

a good 5 man rotation should produce 975-1000 ip per year

if 200 of them are eaten by a guy with a 4.5 era as a 4th thats great,as a 5th thats awesome,as a 3rd you're competetive but in a 2 spot you're pressing your luck..

 

becks has been injury free for the most part...

i dont want to jinx him but based on his career hes due for a dl spot and not the vacation tito gave him last year but perhaps legitimate problems...he went real deep last year and those xtra innings are stressfull and take a lot out of you...hes the best money pitcher ive seen since schilling and johnny smoltz....better than i could possibly dream was becks last fall.....man i cant wait...

look for dice to get better and more effecient

lester is ready now...bucks can give you 150 i bet easily

no worries here but a rather disappointed feeling about schill and how this plays out

[a700hitter]

This is very disappointing. I don't expect that he'll be able to contribute much this year if some doctors are recommending surgery.

[Mr Crunchy]

i noticed mj is in mid season form starting this miserable thread

how many times did you toss off after hearing this scatine?

its been a long time since i called you a disgraceful ********** hasnt it....

winning tames i guess

but you can blow us all twice for introducing this gem

[riverside sluggers]

Remember last year's opening day rotation?

 

Schilling- Was the only sure thing to produce, coming off of rebound year with 15 Ws, sub 4 ERA, pitched over 200 innings, and 183 Ks

Beckett- coming off of a 15 year and 200 innings, but also one in which he had a 5+ ERA and 36 homeruns allowed

Matsuzaka- essentially a rookie to the MLB and America

Wakefield- spent 2 months of 2006 season on the DL

Tavarez- pray for rain

 

2008

Beckett- Now fully entrenched as an ace, 20 game winner, 2nd in Cy Young voting, sub 3.5 ERA, reached 200 innings 2nd year in a row, dominant as ever in the playoffs. Giving him confidence can only help him move along

Matsuzaka- Has full season under his belt, won 15 games (bad run support in 2nd half hurt chances of close to 20 wins), eclipsed 200 innings, eclipsed 200 Ks (first to do since Pedro), solid start in game 3 of the world series including a 2 RBI single haha

Buchholz- Gets his shot to show his nasty stuff in the majors to start off the year. 148 innings last year, the Sox are said to have an innings max somewhere from 160-175 innings

Lester- Still only 24 years old, more room to grow for this fighter. Great story to see him game 4 of the World Series. Once he learns to fully harness his control, it will all be gravy

Wakefield- Probably entering his final year. He won 17 games last year, will give you 4.5ish ERA, 175+ innings, 12-15 Ws

 

Sox are still poised to have a better year offensively and will have Papelbon at the end to secure the leads if need be. Still feeling as confident as ever that it will be a good season to watch

[BSN07]

Gammons on Mike and Mike says Masterson is probably the 6th starter at this point. Guess there a really good chance of seeing what this kids got this season at the ML level.

[Mr Crunchy]

the sox can afford to roll the dice here till july anyways

unless all these youngsters fail miserably and a veteran gets hurt i suspect we'll be fine.

nothing like pitching depth

[YAZMAN]

I see Coco for a starter in our immediate future.

[BSN07]

It will take a little more then Coco to get a decent SP. But it is a possibility.

[Gom]

Good news. According to Jacko and Gom' date=' Schilling was toast heading into this year, so this should only make us better in their eyes. I fully expect predictions of the Sox taking the AL East from them now.[/quote']

Nah...a 41 year old pitcher who pitched 53 less innings last year than the year before and who's lost 2-3 mph from his fastball in one year...nah. I figured that he'd be healthy enough to let the Sox go with a four man rotation all year.

Ok, seriously, this isn't good, but nor is it season shattering. Schilling had successfully, IMO, made the transition from power pitcher to crafty pitcher with his diminished stuff. I'm confident that the kids will be able to replace his season production in total, but we'll see where that leaves us in October, where he was a force. The big thing, to me, will be in how the team handles this. Attempting to void his contract is the wrong move, IMO. He just negotiated his own deal w/o an agent at an under market amount, took the weight clause incentives, and all after putting his career on the line in '04. Nixing his deal now would play negatively amongst the players, both on the team and future free agents. Bad form. Don't do it.

I agree. Also, I think it may be a blessing in disguise, as I think that you're you're kids may be better pitchers this year than Schilling.

[Gom]

I see Coco for a starter in our immediate future.

Just say no to drugs.

[rician blast]

I agree. Also, I think it may be a blessing in disguise, as I think that you're you're kids may be better pitchers this year than Schilling.

 

This is a very good point...I wasn't expecting huge things from Schilling in 2008...figured if he went 14-10 or so that'd be serviceable. I believe the youngsters could do that if not better. To me the issue is really starting pitching depth. With Schill in the rotation AND some young arms backing him up, I'd be a little more comfortable.

 

I'd like to see Coco as part of a package in a move for a decent "back-up plan" kind of starter, but the stronger the reports are that Schilling is out for a long time, the higher the price to the Sox for such a starter, particularly in terms of prospects. Still, I don't expect the Sox FO to panic and act out of desperation here at all.

[Soxfan1]

David McCarty is our guy.

 

 

 

Actually I hope the Sox try and acquire Sheets.

[BSN07]

I know Sheets is said to be available. I'd take him but I'm not sure how quick the Brewers would be ready to send him off. I mean aren't they considered contenders in the NL Central?

[MANNYHOF24]

Schillinhs going to giver bucholz th einnings'

[elonghigher]

he makes a better cheerleader than pitcher anyway

[elonghigher]

I mean that his time has come and gone but he might make up for it will his knowledge and help to the younger players.

[BSN07]

I mean that his time has come and gone but he might make up for it will his knowledge and help to the younger players.

 

Wow its like you know Schilling so well...<_>

 

Schilling is a self promoter, he wanted to pitch this season so hed have a better chance at the HOF. He is not sticking around to groom the Sox kids...

[RobZombie]

Link

 

Now it's being reported that Schilling will NOT have surgery on his shoulder. He will be back as soon as the All - Star break. I'm glad to hear it, as long as we have him for the stretch run. Becket, Daisuke, and Schilling sounds better than Becket, Daisuke, and Wakefield in the playoffs.

 

Dr. Craig Morgan Schilling's personal physician on WEEI yesterday.

 

#1 Says that with surgery Schilling could be back after the all-star break. If they try to treat the problem medically there is ZERO chance that he will pitch again.

 

#2 Schilling currently can't throw a ball five feet, lift arm above his head, or open a door without pain. I assume that he can't do range of motion exercises either.

 

#3 Schillings MRI shows that his biceps tendon is hanging by a thread, he described it as "spaghetti strands".

 

#4 Several other physicians concurred with Morgan's analysis of Schilling's MRI.

 

#5 Even if Schilling has the surgery there is no guarantee that he can pitch again. The Sox, according to Morgan are wasting time by recommending that Schilling try to treat the problem medically and then "wait and see".

[a700hitter]

Wow its like you know Schilling so well...<_>

 

Schilling is a self promoter, he wanted to pitch this season so hed have a better chance at the HOF. He is not sticking around to groom the Sox kids...

...or maybe he likes pitching and enjoys the competition and camaraderie and fame.

[mAAAbs]

He is not sticking around to groom the Sox kids...

 

 

He expressed interest in Tampa. I would assume for that very reason. It's not like he'd have a great win total with that 'pen down there.

[BoSox21]

#3 Schillings MRI shows that his biceps tendon is hanging by a thread, he described it as "spaghetti strands".

 

exactly how the hell did he pass a physical prior to signing a contract for this season anyway? and if he did, what the hell kind of off-season program is he doing to destroy his arm like that?

[BSN07]

...or maybe he likes pitching and enjoys the competition and camaraderie and fame.

 

This could very well be true. I was more saying he wasn't coming back for the kids.

[BSN07]

He expressed interest in Tampa. I would assume for that very reason. It's not like he'd have a great win total with that 'pen down there.

 

Listen when Schill said this everyone was iffy on him. He had no idea what his future was going to be. Had no clue if the Sox where going to sign him at the end of the season. The report at the time was he would only go to a contender only. Schill being the sly buisness man he is, stated he would play for TB. Thus putting out there he basically play for anyone. Now all the teams that thought they would have no chance suddenly might have one. All he did was maybe generate some more offers from other teams that he could use to bargin a better deal....

[TheKilo]

exactly how the hell did he pass a physical prior to signing a contract for this season anyway? and if he did' date=' what the hell kind of off-season program is he doing to destroy his arm like that?[/quote']

 

I may be wrong, but I don't think MRIs pick up that type of shoulder damage.

[jacksonianmarch]

MRI's are pretty good at picking up cuff damage. They are horrible at picking up labrum tears. But nothing beats looking at it directly in the OR. BUT, if you can see it on the MRI, it is pretty significant.

 

In a pitcher's case, a frayed cuff or tendon is typically rehabbed if there is enough bulk to the remaining, uninjured portion of the tendon. The fact that the tendon is in multiple stands means that there isnt enough bulk to handle an extensive rehab and hence the tendon needs to be replaced. Now, I dont truly believe either guy. If what they say is true, Schilling does need surgery. But this kind of surgery for a pitcher puts him out a yr or more. So while I think Morgan sounds correct when he describes the anatomy, I dont think his optimistic view of "by the AS break post surgery" is entirely likely either. Regardless, if I were the sox, I'd talk Schilling into a 1 yr extension with like 2 mil next season, have him undergo surgery and see if he comes back. Because this 8 mil for this yr is sunk cost and wont give anything to the team.

[BoSox21]

I may be wrong' date=' but I don't think MRIs pick up that type of shoulder damage.[/quote']

 

considering he's a 40 year old pitcher with 20 years of major league wear and tear, that should've been the first thing they checked. I guess my point is, this isn't something that should've caught the Sox by surprise and to me, if they're trying to recoup their 8 mil, its something that caught them by surprise

[Ray10]

This is a big blow to the Sox but I think it gives Bucholz a good chance to step up and become a good pitcher for the Sox this year. Or maybe it's a chance for the Sox to go out and sign another pitcher or maybe use Crisp as trade bait to pick someone up.

[a700hitter]

When Nolan Ryan was with the Astros I recall that he had a frayed tendon in his elbow. Surgery was recommended. Ryan declined. He shut it down and said if it healed fine and if it didn't he would retire. It healed and he pitched for several more years. Of course, Ryan was much younger than Schilling when his injury occurred.