Patriots stole Jet's signs?

[inkman]

I think a fair punishment would be forfeiture of their next 3 first round picks along with a $100M fine.

 

Fixed. :clap:

[Beckett95]

Doesn't giving the Jets draft picks' date=' hurt every other team in the NFL? I thought the idea was to punish the offender, not reward the offended.[/quote']

 

this is a very good point

[inkman]

this is a very good point

 

This is why I think the NFL will just take the Pats picks and make them disappear.

[schillingouttheks]

I think a fair punishment would be forfeitureof their 2nd, 4th and 6th round picks along with a $1M fine.

 

Guy in the Post also had a novel idea. Move the Pats Jets game in Foxboro to Giants stadium. That probably would make more sense than forfeiting the game.

 

And do what? Refund every single ticket that's already been paid for?

[inkman]

And do what? Refund every single ticket that's already been paid for?

 

Yeah, the logistics of switching a venue in the NFL is a nightmare.

[He Hate Me]

And do what? Refund every single ticket that's already been paid for?

 

shrug, don't cheat next time.

[redsoxrules]

shrug' date=' don't cheat next time. [/quote']

 

exactly

[BudLight]

So BB pulls a Giambi and apoligizes for nothing in particular

[He Hate Me]

I still don't know why they had to do that. The pats got more than enough weapons to kick the Jet's asses. This is like one of those Archie comics where Reggie, who already has all the advantages, tries to sabotage Archie even more and winds up with egg on his face at the end.

[See Red]

Moving the game to the Meadowlands isn't a reasonable idea for the aforementioned reasons in addition to the fact that when the Jets play on the road, the Giants play at home. Like Inkman said, the logistics of switching venues is already a nightmare, especially when you throw in the fact that the Jets share theirs.

 

A second and a fifth round pick seems about fair since it didn't affect the game that already happened -- I think Goodell may really want to send a message and take some picks from next year too.

[ACL BoSox]

Let it be known, I don't agree with whats been done. But every team in the NFL does this, they just didn't get caught. I'm sure the Jets have even done it. Listening to the radio today, players on the Jets didn't seem to care, they felt that they just needed to play better. It's the fans who are making a big deal out of this.

 

Again, I don't condone the act, but let's be honest, who isn't doing this? Just because you don't get caught doesn't mean you're innocent.

[He Hate Me]

Let it be known, I don't agree with whats been done. But every team in the NFL does this, they just didn't get caught. I'm sure the Jets have even done it. Listening to the radio today, players on the Jets didn't seem to care, they felt that they just needed to play better. It's the fans who are making a big deal out of this.

 

Again, I don't condone the act, but let's be honest, who isn't doing this? Just because you don't get caught doesn't mean you're innocent.

 

Just because it's happening all over the place (allegedly) doesn't mean it's ok to do it. You can't go by that kind of logic.

[He Hate Me]

Moving the game to the Meadowlands isn't a reasonable idea for the aforementioned reasons in addition to the fact that when the Jets play on the road, the Giants play at home. Like Inkman said, the logistics of switching venues is already a nightmare, especially when you throw in the fact that the Jets share theirs.

 

A second and a fifth round pick seems about fair since it didn't affect the game that already happened -- I think Goodell may really want to send a message and take some picks from next year too.

 

the Giants play a night game that day actually, and if that still isn't enough time, I'm positive that ESPN wouldn't mind showing another MNF doubleheader with probably the best rivalry in the NFL right now in primetime.

[arbitrary]

I'm a little confused; how is this different than a runner on second stealing the pitcher's signs?

 

No, thats not a rhetorical question.

[Cityofchampions33]

Just because it's happening all over the place (allegedly) doesn't mean it's ok to do it. You can't go by that kind of logic.

 

It does, Parcells, Reeves, and another coach all say it goes on all over the place one way or another,Pats just got caught. per ESPN.

[schillingouttheks]

As the saying goes, it's only cheating if you're caught. So, whether you believe that saying or not, the Pats cheated.

 

However, I'm interested to hear what Belichick's interpretation of the rule is. Let's be reasonable here, none of us know what that rule states specifically. I'm sure we'll get the details soon enough. If Belichick had a reasonable interpretation of the rules that led to this, then I'll see what I think. However, if it's ********, I'll be irritated. I'm sure it goes on a lot, but it seems weird that the Pats would do it again if they were "caught" once before.

 

All I ask is that people wait until the Pats get their chance to explain themselves. You know me, I won't defend them if it's unreasonable, but we don't know what the rule states and if we can see how it could have been taken differently than intended, then maybe it'll make a bit more sense. A lot of you despise the Patriots, and that's okay. It's your right as a sports fan. But at least don't let that hate play with your rationality at this point in time. Let the Pats defend themselves, and then pass judgment.

[Cityofchampions33]

As the saying goes, it's only cheating if you're caught. So, whether you believe that saying or not, the Pats cheated.

 

However, I'm interested to hear what Belichick's interpretation of the rule is. Let's be reasonable here, none of us know what that rule states specifically. I'm sure we'll get the details soon enough. If Belichick had a reasonable interpretation of the rules that led to this, then I'll see what I think. However, if it's ********, I'll be irritated. I'm sure it goes on a lot, but it seems weird that the Pats would do it again if they were "caught" once before.

 

All I ask is that people wait until the Pats get their chance to explain themselves. You know me, I won't defend them if it's unreasonable, but we don't know what the rule states and if we can see how it could have been taken differently than intended, then maybe it'll make a bit more sense. A lot of you despise the Patriots, and that's okay. It's your right as a sports fan. But at least don't let that hate play with your rationality at this point in time. Let the Pats defend themselves, and then pass judgment.

 

Agreed, I find Im more upset in how they got caught, and the way the nation and league is reactign to it (probably as something to do with Polian) then them actually getting caught.

[See Red]

I'm a little confused; how is this different than a runner on second stealing the pitcher's signs?

 

No, thats not a rhetorical question.

 

Well, stealing signs seems to be an accepted part of the game of baseball, for one. Secondly, the problem comes from the Patriots taping these signals. Obviously there's a guy in plain sight giving some sort of signals that the Patriots are taking and obviously the Patriots could look at him and try to figure them out but these types of signals in sports tend to be complex enough to where they'd be almost impossible to decipher in real time. By videotaping them, it makes it a great deal easier.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wade Wislon was suspended for 5 games for PEDs when he isnt even playing, he's a frickin coach. This is active cheating as a coach and should be dealt with more severely than what Wilson got. Either a boatload of draft picks and a monstrous fine or Belichek should get a half season suspension. This should not be treated lighter than a coach taking roids since a coaches physique does nothing toward game outcome.

[jacksonianmarch]

And the point is, stealing signs is a part of any league. But it is meant to be done on the fly, out in the open. Using high tech to steal signs has always been frowned upon, and the pats got caught red handed. And to be honest, football may be the only game where knowing the signs ABSOLUTELY affects play on the field. In baseball, if Joba is on the hill and you know the heat is coming, you still aint hitting it most likely. In basketball, if you know that Jordan is coming off the pick and roll to take the game winning shot, you likely wont stop him without leaving a guy open. But knowing the coverage schemes or knowing where the blitzers are coming is huge. And even if the benefit is one play during a game, who knows if that is the play that decides it all or if that play swings the momentum. This is bad, bad form from an organization I once respected as a formidable and superior opponent. no matter what they do from here on out, it is hard to consider them a top notch team when they resort to espionage of this degree.

[MANNYHOF24]

And the point is' date=' stealing signs is a part of any league. But it is meant to be done on the fly, out in the open. Using high tech to steal signs has always been frowned upon, and the pats got caught red handed. And to be honest, football may be the only game where knowing the signs ABSOLUTELY affects play on the field. In baseball, if Joba is on the hill and you know the heat is coming, you still aint hitting it most likely. In basketball, if you know that Jordan is coming off the pick and roll to take the game winning shot, you likely wont stop him without leaving a guy open. But knowing the coverage schemes or knowing where the blitzers are coming is huge. And even if the benefit is one play during a game, who knows if that is the play that decides it all or if that play swings the momentum. This is bad, bad form from an organization I once respected as a formidable and superior opponent. no matter what they do from here on out, it is hard to consider them a top notch team when they resort to espionage of this degree.[/quote']

 

I actually agree with your points, but I bet the Patriots are not the only team that has tried this.

[TheKilo]

I actually agree with your points' date=' but I bet the Patriots are not the only team that has tried this.[/quote']

 

but they got caught.

[MANNYHOF24]

Wade Wislon was suspended for 5 games for PEDs when he isnt even playing' date=' he's a frickin coach. This is active cheating as a coach and should be dealt with more severely than what Wilson got. Either a boatload of draft picks and a monstrous fine or Belichek should get a half season suspension. This should not be treated lighter than a coach taking roids since a coaches physique does nothing toward game outcome.[/quote']

 

There is no way the leauge will suspend Belichek. For some reason, I think this will not end up really hurting the pats that much. I think they should be penalized, but I doubt much of anything will happen. There is something that is really disturbing about this to me... why the hell do this? The team is good enough to win 14 games with out cheating, why risk the penalties and the bad PR? This is not good for the pats, and it makes me feel dirty as a patriots fan.

[MANNYHOF24]

but they got caught.

 

Exactly, I meant to put that in my post actually.

[arbitrary]

Ah, thanks Jakson and SeeRed, I understand a little better now.

[riverside sluggers]

It is despicable as more information comes out. They were already the super bowl favorites, why pull off s*** like this? Taking away draft picks wont really affect Belichick that much. Id say if the Pats have home field advantage in the playoffs, the league should take that away

[schillingouttheks]

Like I said, let's wait until we see what the actual rule is. Belichick met with Goodell to discuss his interpretation of the rule, so we'll see what he has to say. This COULD be one big misunderstanding. I'm not saying it is (and it's probably likely that it's not), but there's still a whole defense to be heard.

[See Red]

It is despicable as more information comes out. They were already the super bowl favorites' date=' why pull off s*** like this? Taking away draft picks wont really affect Belichick that much. Id say if the Pats have home field advantage in the playoffs, the league should take that away[/quote']

 

That's actually a good idea. That'd take revenue away from the Patriots and effect them on the field. Might be a tad bit harsh, though, I'm thinking. I do like taking away draft picks though since they don't put the guys on the field at a direct disadvantage.

[He Hate Me]

Like I said' date=' let's wait until we see what the actual rule is. Belichick met with Goodell to discuss his interpretation of the rule, so we'll see what he has to say. This COULD be one big misunderstanding. I'm not saying it is (and it's probably likely that it's not), but there's still a whole defense to be heard.[/quote']

 

looks pretty clear cut to me. what other interpretation can there be?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3014944

 

What rules did the Patriots allegedly violate?

The "Game Operations Manual" states that "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." The manual states that "all video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from a New England video assistant on the Patriots' sideline when it was suspected he was recording the Jets' defensive signals. Taping any signals is prohibited. The toughest part usually is finding evidence to support an allegation.

[schillingouttheks]

looks pretty clear cut to me. what other interpretation can there be?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3014944

 

I don't know...that's my point. That's why I said there probably isn't any other way to interpret it. All I'm saying is that Belichick could say something that none of us are thinking about (unlikely, I know).