August 17th vs. Anaheim - Game 2

[MANNYHOF24]

Look at it this way Schil. If I had managed the DH today' date=' we would have won both games.[/quote']

 

If I had managed game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, I would have taken out Pedro and we would have won the world series.

[riverside sluggers]

It's more that they want to bump Wake back to Monday so that he can face the D-Rays (he's ridiculous against them in his career).

 

Wake also is meeting his new backstop for the next 2 weeks or so. The next 2 days they need to get into some kind of groove until Wakes start on monday in Tampa

[schillingouttheks]

If I had managed game 7 of the 2003 ALCS' date=' I would have taken out Pedro and we would have won the world series.[/quote']

 

If I had managed game 6 of the 1986 world series, I would have put in Dave Stapleton for Bill Buckner in the ninth inning and we would have won the world series.

[MANNYHOF24]

On another note, I want to see more Buchholz. He looked really nasty today and he didn't have his best location at times. When the Angels had four hits in a row none of them were hit hard at all. I think he could really help us out down the stretch. The problem is that nobody is pitching poorly enough right now to justify bumping somebody out of the rotation.

[riverside sluggers]

What hurts most about Gagne's 3 blown leads in the past week... all 3 were set to be come from behind wins where they scored the go ahead runs in the 8th inning

[schillingouttheks]

What hurts most about Gagne's 3 blown leads in the past week... all 3 were set to be come from behind wins where they scored the go ahead runs in the 8th inning

 

Well, not the one on Sunday. We had the lead going into the inning and he just f***ed it up.

[mtbykr]

If I would have been in charge of my finances in the early 90's (i was 15) I would have invested in Prepaidlegal and microsoft stock and wouldn't have to worry about money!

[mtbykr]

What really bugs me about this loss is that the offense (papi and manram in particular) finally come through when it counts, and we could build on this momentum......................then it's Gagne time

[schillingouttheks]

If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

[schillingouttheks]

What really bugs me about this loss is that the offense (papi and manram in particular) finally come through when it counts' date=' and we could build on this momentum......................then it's Gagne time[/quote']

 

At least we know that this offense is capable of mounting come backs though. It may have been Gagne that lost us the games, but we've been in those positions because we scored very late.

[MANNYHOF24]

At least we know that this offense is capable of mounting come backs though. It may have been Gagne that lost us the games' date=' but we've been in those positions because we scored very late.[/quote']

 

It is good to see, especially since this offense has really seemed unable to mount many comebacks this season. Did this loss hurt? Yes. Is it that big of a deal? Not really, we were down 4-1 in the eighth against a very good Angels bulpen. The laws of average say that we only should split the DH, and we shouldn't win a game in which we trail 4-1 late. Both laws came to fruition tonight.

[schillingouttheks]

It is good to see' date=' especially since this offense has really seemed unable to mount many comebacks this season. Did this loss hurt? Yes. Is it that big of a deal? Not really, we were down 4-1 in the eighth against a very good Angels bulpen. The laws of average say that we only should split the DH, and we shouldn't win a game in which we trail 4-1 late. Both laws came to fruition tonight.[/quote']

 

And at the end of the night, the Yankees are still 5 games back. It's not 8 games back, but it's still a fairly comfortable lead for now. This team is completely capable of winning. At least I know that we have 3 losses instead of 3 more wins because of Eric Gagne, and Gagne alone.

[mtbykr]

At least we know that this offense is capable of mounting come backs though. It may have been Gagne that lost us the games' date=' but we've been in those positions because we scored very late.[/quote']

 

Very true.....I just had that feeling of "this is a game where we remember the O turned it around" while it was happening.

[MANNYHOF24]

It really is too bad that Douggie had to go down today. He was starting to hit a little bit and Wake was getting into a nice groove. This injury will inevidibly affect his performance on the hill.

[mtbykr]

Just heard on WEEI that shill is doing a pretty cool thing. He is offering a BBQ at his house (at his expense) for 10 people that can come up with 50k to donate to the jimmyfund. If they do he will also match the amount (in addition to his donation already) in addition to hosting the BBQ

[MANNYHOF24]

And at the end of the night' date=' the Yankees are still 5 games back. It's not 8 games back, but it's still a fairly comfortable lead for now. This team is completely capable of winning. At least I know that we have 3 losses instead of 3 more wins because of Eric Gagne, and Gagne alone.[/quote']

 

Another positive point to make is that today was light years better than the disasterous August 18th last season. That was a real nightmare.

[schillingouttheks]

Another positive point to make is that today was light years better than the disasterous August 18th last season. That was a real nightmare.

 

Thank God that our team is actually a good one that has been healthy and that they have a legitimate chance at winning the world series.

[castigs850]

maybe just because i was at the game and having that added emotion is what is making me feel this way, but i'm pissed off. in the last two pages no one else really seems to be.

 

anyone think this marks the end of gagne pitching in close games, at least until he starts showing he is worthy to do so

 

EDIT: nevermind....decided to read page 10

[ORS]

I saw this coming a mile away. I was in Balt for the series and saw Gagne blow those 2 games. The second Paps went out for the 9th I just had a feeling Gagne would go out in a 1 run game and blow it. Well' date=' he did. I warned about this 5 hours ago and look what f***ning happened. Most any reliever can get 3 outs without giving up 4 runs. No reason to hurt your bullpen for the second game when you don't need to. The "win right in front of you" is crap. you make a move in the day game of a DH to give you the best chance to win BOTH games. Thats what winning teams do.[/quote']

So who pitches with the 4 run lead? Gagne? He coughed up one of those in Bmore. Stop Monday morning quarterbacking it and patting yourself on the back. You s*** your pants in the gamethreads, half the time for no reason. Just because the s*** you flung against the wall tonight stuck, doesn't mean I'm putting any credence into it.

 

I too would have liked it if Papelbon was available for both games. That said, I don't know what the rules dictating his usage will allow in that scenario. So, I'll trust logic that says it's unlikely that he's allowed to pitch in both games, so Francona had him finish game one so he didn't use another reliever.

 

To those of you defending Francona because of the Tampa game, I cannot disagree more. Prior to tonight, he had appeared in 6 games, giving up runs in 5. No thanks. Timlin has been better than that of late (runs allowed in only 1 of his last 17 appearances). The manager's job is to know who is hot, who is not, and award play accordingly. This manager isn't capable of that. He manages by name. I'm done with Francona. He's just not capable of the right decision.

[Gom]

What i dont understand is how papelbon was gonna be a starter and were afraid to let him throw two innings.

You still buy that song and dance your front office told you about him being "healthier, so we can pitch him the pen, which is more strenous" ********? The only one who believed that crock of s*** was ORS, who would believe anything your FO would say as the gospel truth.

 

Papelbon will NEVER be a starting pitcher. EVER. Get that out of your head. He doesn't have the ability to go more than a 2 or 3 innings before his fastball turns into Jamie Moyer's. You saw that in spring training.

 

Now, I never wish upon injury for a player, even one of the Red Sox. However, what you are seeing with Gagne is what you will see with Papelbon in the next 4-5 years. His shoulder just won't hold up.

 

I seriously hope I'm wrong about this, I just don't think that this kid's shoulder will stay healthy. I actually like the kid. I like his demeanor, his moxie. He should be a Yankee. Some players on your team I hate. He's not one of them. I wish him a healthy career, even an All-Star career, but hopefully with another team.

 

Tito did the right thing in limiting Paps to one outing. Just imagine that he did pitch him in both innings, and his shoulder came up lame for a week. Considering what you have in the pen now, how would that look for you guys? His mistake is he picked the wrong outing to use him. Thanks Tito!

 

On a side note, it's not like Torre is a genius either. They both suck. We have a 5 run lead, so he brings in Chamberlain. Why not give Farnswoth a shot? He's never coughed up a 5 run lead this season. Why waste Chamberlain when you may need him tomorrow?

 

Both of these managers blow the games they win. I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say.

[MANNYHOF24]

So who pitches with the 4 run lead? Gagne? He coughed up one of those in Bmore. Stop Monday morning quarterbacking it and patting yourself on the back. You s*** your pants in the gamethreads, half the time for no reason. Just because the s*** you flung against the wall tonight stuck, doesn't mean I'm putting any credence into it.

 

I too would have liked it if Papelbon was available for both games. That said, I don't know what the rules dictating his usage will allow in that scenario. So, I'll trust logic that says it's unlikely that he's allowed to pitch in both games, so Francona had him finish game one so he didn't use another reliever.

 

To those of you defending Francona because of the Tampa game, I cannot disagree more. Prior to tonight, he had appeared in 6 games, giving up runs in 5. No thanks. Timlin has been better than that of late (runs allowed in only 1 of his last 17 appearances). The manager's job is to know who is hot, who is not, and award play accordingly. This manager isn't capable of that. He manages by name. I'm done with Francona. He's just not capable of the right decision.

 

Do you really think this was Tito's descion? I really think Theo has told Tito that he has to throw Gange out there as the new main set-up guy, which wasn't a bad idea when he first came here. Obviously that has failed and I think they both will agree that Gange should no longer be allowed to pitch in critical situations.

[jacksonianmarch]

Last night's loss, or what I have seen of it second hand since I was working into the wee hours of the morning, was not on Tito. Okajima and Paps were burned for more than 1 inning apiece. MDC was pretty bad in relief of Beckett as well. Gagne was the logical choice for the 9th. The other 2 times, not so much. He has been the best trade that could have been made in the yankees favor all season. What other deal would shave 3 games off the lead in half a month solely by that one deal? All the while, Joba keeps showing why he is a stud.

[jacksonianmarch]

So who pitches with the 4 run lead? Gagne? He coughed up one of those in Bmore. Stop Monday morning quarterbacking it and patting yourself on the back. You s*** your pants in the gamethreads, half the time for no reason. Just because the s*** you flung against the wall tonight stuck, doesn't mean I'm putting any credence into it.

 

I too would have liked it if Papelbon was available for both games. That said, I don't know what the rules dictating his usage will allow in that scenario. So, I'll trust logic that says it's unlikely that he's allowed to pitch in both games, so Francona had him finish game one so he didn't use another reliever.

 

To those of you defending Francona because of the Tampa game, I cannot disagree more. Prior to tonight, he had appeared in 6 games, giving up runs in 5. No thanks. Timlin has been better than that of late (runs allowed in only 1 of his last 17 appearances). The manager's job is to know who is hot, who is not, and award play accordingly. This manager isn't capable of that. He manages by name. I'm done with Francona. He's just not capable of the right decision.

I think Francona is coming down with Torre-itis. Who should go in for the 9th coach? Um, um, um, Farnsworth, I mean, um Gagne! He's good, right?

[ORS]

Last night's loss' date=' or what I have seen of it second hand since I was working into the wee hours of the morning, was not on Tito. Okajima and Paps were burned for more than 1 inning apiece. MDC was pretty bad in relief of Beckett as well. Gagne was the logical choice for the 9th. The other 2 times, not so much. He has been the best trade that could have been made in the yankees favor all season. What other deal would shave 3 games off the lead in half a month solely by that one deal? All the while, Joba keeps showing why he is a stud.[/quote']

It's absolutely on Francona. He picked the guy who had given up runs in 5/6 appearances over the guy who has given up 1/17, in a one run game. Timlin is a scary option, but he's done more to get the nod right now. That's just pure ignorance on the part of the manager.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's absolutely on Francona. He picked the guy who had given up runs in 5/6 appearances over the guy who has given up 1/17' date=' in a one run game. Timlin is a scary option, but he's done more to get the nod right now. That's just pure ignorance on the part of the manager.[/quote']

 

Forgot about Timlin. Yeah, he should have been the choice. Papi didnt sound too confident in Gagne after the game. Someone asked him if he was confident in Gagne and he said to ask the manager. Yikes. That sounds like it was a bad loss. I didnt get to watch it, I had a hellaciously awesome night of work to deal with.

[mtbykr]

Forgot about Timlin. Yeah' date=' he should have been the choice. Papi didnt sound too confident in Gagne after the game. Someone asked him if he was confident in Gagne and he said to ask the manager. Yikes. That sounds like it was a bad loss. I didnt get to watch it, I had a hellaciously awesome night of work to deal with.[/quote']

 

I think this is what i was worried about last night. The offense has been a frustration for a long time, especially for papi and manram. They both come through in the clutch against a great bullpen, all the momentum is there (in a game that we could all look back upon and say "that's where the O turned it around") ............and then Gagne craps the bed. Very frustrating loss; Gagne had his chance to rebound and show us all (at fenway) that he can be the stopper, and he couldn't do it.

[riverside sluggers]

Ive been in and out all day, now I have to go back out. Some family emergency. Luckily I had the matchups saved on my microsoft word. Lowell, Pedroia get the day off. Surprising is that Varitek is starting the game even with Cash joining the team last night. Damn 3 games over the last 24 hours. He'll definitely need the next 2 days off. Schilling makes his first start at home since going on the diabled list, and Bobby Kielty has joined the team

 

Jered Weaver (3 games vs Boston, 0-1 with a 2.89 ERA---Career at Fenway Park in 1 game, 4.05 ERA)

Julio Lugo, 2 for 5 (.400 avg) HR, RBI, K

Kevin Youkilis, 3 for 9 (.333 avg) HR, 2 RBIs, Walk, SB

David Ortiz, 4 for 8 (.500 avg) HR, 3 RBIs, Walk, K

Manny Ramirez, 0 for 3, RBI, Walk, K

J.D. Drew, 2 for 3 (.667 avg) SB

Jason Varitek, 1 for 6 (.167 avg) Double, K

Eric Hinske, 0 for 2, K

Coco Crisp, 0 for 9, 3 Ks

Alex Cora, 0 for 2, K

///

Bobby Kielty, 0 for 2, K

Mike Lowell, 2 for 7 (.286 avg) Walk, K

Dustin Pedroia, 1 for 5 (.200 avg) Walk, K, SB

 

Curt Schilling (11 games vs Anaheim, 5-2 with a 3.19 ERA---Career at Fenway Park in 65 games, 27-9 & 6 saves with a 4.01 ERA)

Chone Figgins, 4 for 14 (.286 avg) Double, Triple, RBI, 3 Ks, SB

Orlando Cabrera, 13 for 41 (.317 avg) 4 Doubles, HR, 3 RBIs, Walk, 6 Ks, SB

Vladimir Guerrero, 16 for 60 (.267 avg) 4 Doubles, 5 HRs, 8 RBIs, 4 Walks, 11 Ks

Garret Anderson, 4 for 20 (.200 avg) Double, HR, 2 RBIs, 5 Ks

Gary Matthews Jr., 5 for 28 (.179 avg) 2 Doubles, Triple, 2 RBIs, 3 Walks, 10 Ks

Casey Kotchman, 2 for 7 (.286 avg) 2 RBIs

Maicer Izturis, 2 for 9 (.222 avg) Double, HR, RBI

Jeff Mathis ---

Reggie Willits, 0 for 2, K

 

Weaver this season vs Boston in 1 game, 3.00 ERA. On the road in 10 games, 4-3 with a 3.86 ERA

 

Schilling this season vs Anaheim in 2 games, 1-1 with a 2.57 ERA. At home in 8 games, 2-1 with a 4.11 ERA

[jacksonianmarch]

Schilling touched early but escapes further damage. 1-0 Halos.