Sox after Jermaine Dye?

[BSN07]

In Tuesday's edition of the Chicago Sun-Times, Toni Ginnetti writes: "Sources said Monday that the Red Sox -- who sought left-hander Mark Buehrle a month ago before he and the White Sox had a change of heart on a contract extension -- are set to send reliever Manny Delcarmen and outfielder Wily Mo Pena to the White Sox for Dye, the 2005 World Series MVP. A deal with the Red Sox would be contingent on Dye waiving a no-trade clause. Major-league sources have informed Dye that the Red Sox can play him five days a week, rotating him in the two outfield corner spots and at first base. White Sox general manager Ken Williams had hoped to deal for top minor-league prospects to help the team's rebuilding plans and free payroll for other acquisitions. But the proposed deal at least would bring a promising reliever in Delcarmen, 25, who has a 2.70 ERA and one save this season.

 

 

Not sure how true it is, but there it is. If we are getting Gagne to replace MDC then I guess, but I'd rather not see MDC leave. Hes been good.

[Ray10]

Yeah I agree with you if the Sox are going to trade Manny Delcarmen then they have to get someone who can replace him. They can't just trade a guy like Delcarmen and not pick someone up to take his place.

[jacksonianmarch]

ahh, forgot about that rule. I know they made sweeping changes to the comp list.

 

So, therefore, the sox would need to deal them the equivalent of 2 top 50 picks for them to break even and then would need to negotiate for their advantage. This makes it trickier.

 

I still think WMP is the center of that package, but now that you put it that way, I dont see how they could not deal Delcarmen for him. I think Masterson has to be on the table in the Gagne deal, or else he'd be considered in Delcarmen's stead.

 

In Tuesday's edition of the Chicago Sun-Times, Toni Ginnetti writes: "Sources said Monday that the Red Sox -- who sought left-hander Mark Buehrle a month ago before he and the White Sox had a change of heart on a contract extension -- are set to send reliever Manny Delcarmen and outfielder Wily Mo Pena to the White Sox for Dye, the 2005 World Series MVP. A deal with the Red Sox would be contingent on Dye waiving a no-trade clause. Major-league sources have informed Dye that the Red Sox can play him five days a week, rotating him in the two outfield corner spots and at first base. White Sox general manager Ken Williams had hoped to deal for top minor-league prospects to help the team's rebuilding plans and free payroll for other acquisitions. But the proposed deal at least would bring a promising reliever in Delcarmen, 25, who has a 2.70 ERA and one save this season.

 

 

Not sure how true it is, but there it is. If we are getting Gagne to replace MDC then I guess, but I'd rather not see MDC leave. Hes been good.

 

Called it if it is true. By determining that he'd be a Type A FA (thanks BSN) it makes absolutely no sense for them to not get 2 players that can help them now.

[jacksonianmarch]

Also, this likely means that if the sox do get Gagne, then you likely are looking at dealing off Masterson as well. Now ORS said before that Gagne would be a Type A, but since he missed last yr, I wouldnt be so sure. I'd think he'd be a type B. Either way, lets assume the sox make these moves....

 

Sox get:

3 months of Dye

3 months of Gagne

 

Sox Lose:

Masterson

WMP

DelCarmen

 

then received the equivalent of 2 top 50 picks and a second rounder, I cannot see how this is anything but a good deal for now and the future. Losing Delcarmen and Masterson would hurt in the shorter term since one is in the majors and another is in AA. Masterson projecting out as a reliever anyway means you lose 2 relief prospects from an already loaded relief corps. Losing WMP does nothing really for the team since he wasnt playing. And getting 3 picks means you could stock up in deficient areas. You are dealing from a strength and not necessarily hurting your future. This makes a lot of sense.

[BSN07]

Heres the Link, http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/490593,CST-SPT-trade31.article

[BSN07]

CWS are in NY, so if a deal is made he could be available for tonights game, at latest tomorrow, of course all depends on deal going threw.

[thee sox]

I still think WMP is the center of that package' date=' but now that you put it that way, I dont see how they could not deal Delcarmen for him. I think Masterson has to be on the table in the Gagne deal, or else he'd be considered in Delcarmen's stead.[/quote']

 

How would WMP be the center piece of any trade? Sounds to me like the Red Sox are just trying to get rid of him...which would not make him the center piece. The sticking point is, who else are we getting in return? That's what will make or break the trade, not Pena.

 

BTW, Jayson Stark says the latest deal offered by the Red Sox is WMP and Hansen for Dye and a minor leaguer. To that, I say, thanks but no thanks...we'll take the picks.

[BSN07]

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070731&content_id=2119824&vkey=trade2007&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

 

Maybe no MDC after all.

[CrespoBlows]

How would WMP be the center piece of any trade? Sounds to me like the Red Sox are just trying to get rid of him...which would not make him the center piece. The sticking point is, who else are we getting in return? That's what will make or break the trade, not Pena.

 

BTW, Jayson Stark says the latest deal offered by the Red Sox is WMP and Hansen for Dye and a minor leaguer. To that, I say, thanks but no thanks...we'll take the picks.

 

The Red Sox were waiting Tuesday morning to hear back from the White Sox on their latest offer for Dye. According to two baseball men who had been in contact with the two clubs, the Red Sox's latest offer was reliever Craig Hansen and outfielder Wily Mo Pena, in exchange for Dye and a minor leaguer. The White Sox are believed to prefer Manny Delcarmen to Hansen, but they don't appear to have a better offer from any other club. The Angels, according to one source, did no more than call to check on the price -- and if the Angels do add a bat, they still prefer that it not be an outfielder. Elsewhere, the Mets are committed to Moises Alou. And Arizona, which appeared to have some mild interest, is believed to be leaning instead toward calling up its best prospect, Justin Upton. The White Sox are also in a tough position because they're unlikely to offer Dye arbitration after the season, meaning they wouldn't even come away with draft picks for him. So the chances of that Boston deal happening look better all the time. The final hurdle is getting Dye to waive his no-trade clause. But after originally saying he didn't want to go to Boston because he wouldn't play every day, he was told Monday he would play at least five days a week with the Red Sox. So there were rumblings Tuesday morning that this trade could happen at any time.

[thee sox]

Dye still not asked to waive his NTC.

[BSN07]

ESPN Radio just reported deal is all but done for Dye, WMP and MDC go to CWS.

[hoke3182]

ESPN Radio just reported deal is all but done for Dye' date=' WMP and MDC go to CWS.[/quote']

 

So it's MDC not Hansen? I'd much rather part with Hansen

[Cocos Disciples]

Me too. If we get Gagne too I might like this better, but as it is I'm not so sure.

[thee sox]

So it's MDC not Hansen? I'd much rather part with Hansen

 

I don't think a deal is done. Still no word anywhere else...most reports have Dye not even being asked to waive his NTC yet.

[hoke3182]

Proctor to the dodgers bor betimet

[hoke3182]

sorry didn't see it posted

[hoke3182]

ESPNEWS reported the deal is all but final for Dye.

[BoSox21]

WEEI saying the reported offer for Dye on the table right now is Pena and Craig Hansen

[hoke3182]

WEEI saying the reported offer for Dye on the table right now is Pena and Craig Hansen

 

Waiting for Dye to waive his NTC?

[thee sox]

Waiting for Dye to waive his NTC?

 

I'd hope it's not even being agreed upon. That's a garbage deal for the White Sox. One guy who can't hit worth s***, and another that has fallen off the face of the Earth since last year. Pass, pass, pass.

[Cocos Disciples]

Great deal for us if true. How we could ever get down to Hansen from Masterson/Delcarmen is beyond me.

[hoke3182]

Great deal for us if true. How we could ever get down to Hansen from Masterson/Delcarmen is beyond me.

 

Beautiful isn't it?

[schillingouttheks]

Guys, it hasn't been agreed to yet. It's only "on the table."

[Cocos Disciples]

Shhhhhhhhhhhh

[CrespoBlows]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7078822

 

Rosenthal says it's dead.

[schillingouttheks]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7078822

 

Rosenthal says it's dead.

 

See? You guys suck. <_>

 

I kid, I kid. I joke, I joke.

[Cocos Disciples]

Not a huge loss right there. I'd rather get Gagne.

[BoSox21]

if its dead, I still want to see them improve the bench

[TedWilliams101]

Damn, Dye would have been a good bat to plug some holes with JD and Ortiz.

[BoSox21]

im sure Pena and Hansen can still fetch a respectable bat from somewhere, even if it isnt Dye