Sox after Jermaine Dye?

[Beckett95]

The Red Sox had a three-way deal in place to acquire White Sox outfielder Jermaine Dye earlier this week, but the trade fell through because of an unspecified issue with a player from the third club, according to an industry source.

 

Dye, who is a free agent at the end of the season, was willing to consider waiving his limited no-trade protection to join the Red Sox in exchange for guarantees about playing time and incentive bonuses, the source said.

The Sox told Dye that they were prepared to play him five days a week. It is unclear how they would have created the playing time, considering that they are set in all three outfield positions and the DH spot.

 

J.D. Drew, Coco Crisp and Manny Ramirez are the Sox's regular outfielders. David Ortiz is their DH. Drew, however, is batting .209 against lefties, and occasionally misses time due to injuries. Ortiz is dealing with a variety of physical ailments.

 

Dye, 33, has revived since the All-Star break, producing an impressive 1.008 on-base/slugging percentage while hitting five homers in 56 at-bats.

 

The Sox likely would use Dye to replace Wily Mo Pena, whom they discussed with the White Sox and are actively trying to move. Under such a scenario, however, Dye would not play full-time.

 

It is believed the teams are continuing discussions, though the Red Sox evidently did not want to meet the White Sox's price for Dye, prompting the clubs to involve a third team.

 

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[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Found this on rotoworld:

 

According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, the Red Sox had a three-way deal in place for Jermaine Dye that fell through because of an unspecified issue with a player from the third club.

The third club is unknown. Dye apparently was willing to go to the Red Sox, who were promising to play him five times per week. Something still might happen here. We're guessing Wily Mo Pena and more would go to the unspecified third team.

[redsoxrules]

i cant see where the sox would guarantee playing him 5 times a week , unless they bench drew.

[Cityofchampions33]

i cant see where the sox would guarantee playing him 5 times a week ' date=' unless they bench drew.[/quote']

 

yeah i can't think of anything, it makes no sense as Drew would be perhaps the most expensive 4th OF the game has ever seen, or why would Dye be willing to come here when he knows he'd be the 4th OF.

[DrewDaGreat]

why?

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/hc-soxnotes0728.artjul28,0,5298399.story

 

The talks with the White Sox had ended because they were asking for Clay Bucholz or Jacoby Ellsbury in return

[Anuj09]

Maybe they would have put Ortiz on the DL then DH Manny and have Dye play left field.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/hc-soxnotes0728.artjul28,0,5298399.story

 

The talks with the White Sox had ended because they were asking for Clay Bucholz or Jacoby Ellsbury in return

 

that is an easy way to have the phone hung up on you.

 

3 months of a slugger who is just coming around is worth something. But it isnt worth that. I would say that Dye could be worth a mid level prospect, maybe Masterson or Bard/Cox/Hansen types. Guys who are either projects or dont project as aces or potential All stars.

[TheKilo]

WMP/Hansen/Bard for Dye?

 

I like the fact he's starting to hit again, and like one other poster said he could be nice Ortiz/Manny insurance down the stretch. I wouldn't part with a big name prospect for him though.

 

Who knows, the Chicago firesale is underway so let's see what happens.

[BSN07]

Bard stock has dropped but I think if he is involved you only get 1 other guy.

[example1]

that is an easy way to have the phone hung up on you.

 

3 months of a slugger who is just coming around is worth something. But it isnt worth that. I would say that Dye could be worth a mid level prospect, maybe Masterson or Bard/Cox/Hansen types. Guys who are either projects or dont project as aces or potential All stars.

 

I think Dye could be worth a Murphy or WMP as well; guys that may have talent but who won't necessarily get their shot with the BoSox. I'm a bit perplexed by this trade, but also see it as a pretty significant mid-season upgrade. I'm just not sure how Dye would fit in or where he would play.

 

Would they increase the time off for Ortiz and Drew? So, Dye would play for Drew one day while Drew sits and play LF some times so Manny can DH and Papi can rest? Something I read said they had promised Dye he would play 5 days a week, which is a significant number of games. Dye is probably too good to be sitting on the bench, especially if he's starting to turn it on. Drew isn't being paid to sit on the bench and I don't think they will give up on him, given his recent semi-resurgance. I'm just not sure.

[toledosoxfan]

Interesting to say the least. Fitting him in five days a week would mean that he'd likely start to give Drew, Manny and Ortiz days off. Still a bit confusing...but whatever works I guess.

[riverside sluggers]

roto

According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Brewers were the third team in the rumored Jermaine Dye deal between the White Sox and Red Sox.

 

If they couldn't get one of Boston's elite prospects, the White Sox wanted Hideki Okajima from the Red Sox. That wasn't going to work, so Boston may have been trying to get Derrick Turnbow from Milwaukee for Chicago. The proposed deal ended up falling through last week, and it's unclear whether there's any chance of it being revisited.

[Cocos Disciples]

Why the f*** would we trade Okajima?

[Cityofchampions33]

Why the f*** would we trade Okajima?

 

we wouldn't, probably the reason the deal fell through.

[Rdsxmbnt]

how could a GM ask for Okajima with a straight face? I mean come on why would ever trade him right now given that hes been one of our most valuable players and a key (if not the key) guy in our bullpen.

[jacksonianmarch]

WMP/Hansen/Bard for Dye?

 

I like the fact he's starting to hit again, and like one other poster said he could be nice Ortiz/Manny insurance down the stretch. I wouldn't part with a big name prospect for him though.

 

Who knows, the Chicago firesale is underway so let's see what happens.

 

If Dye returns to his 1.000+OPS level, he would make your lineup murder. And that could mean less PT for Drew, but is that really a bad thing for you guys?

[mtbykr]

Just heard on WEEI (dale n holley) that the sox are close to getting Dye in exchange for Ceranno and a minor league pitching prospect not Buchholtz or Lester

[example1]

I would be happy with that deal, ESPECIALLY if that spec wasn't Bowden.

 

I don't love the trade, as I felt that Teixeira would have been a better fit, but it does give this team a little security for Manny and Ortiz.

[mtbykr]

Here's the story:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/07/dye_chances_pre.html

 

 

July 30, 2007

Dye chances 'pretty good'

By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

While Foxsports.com is reporting that the Braves and Rangers have a deal in place for Mark Teixeira, a major league source said a short time ago that chances were “pretty good” that the Red Sox would complete a deal with the Chicago White Sox for outfielder Jermaine Dye.

 

In exchange for Dye, the White Sox would get Wily Mo Pena and a minor league pitching prospect (not Clay Buchholz or Jon Lester).

 

More on this to come ...

[Cityofchampions33]

Rotoworld reporting that we're possibly dealing WMP and Masterson/Bowden for Dye. I still don't understand what we're going to do with Dye.

[Anuj09]

I wouldn't mind trading Bowden. Im just not so sold on him. But not Masterson. Hes doing amazing in AA i hope he does not get traded.

[Cityofchampions33]

I would be happy with that deal' date=' ESPECIALLY if that spec wasn't Bowden. [/quote']

 

Agreed, I would do masterson, WMP for Dye in a second

[BSN07]

I'd say pull the trigger on that one. WMP might become great but he won't do it in Boston. He will only do it somewhere else that can play him everyday and be patient with him. If this is true I hope the best for him.

 

 

 

Anyone have an idea who the minor league pitcher is? Hansen, Bowden, Bard, Martinez, Cox?

[CrespoBlows]

I'd say pull the trigger on that one. WMP might become great but he won't do it in Boston. He will only do it somewhere else that can play him everyday and be patient with him. If this is true I hope the best for him.

 

 

 

Anyone have an idea who the minor league pitcher is? Hansen, Bowden, Bard, Martinez, Cox?

 

It could be Manny Delcarmen, or Justin Masterson.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

[ORS]

I like this move. Dye started the year off pretty bad, but let's not forget this guy was in the MVP running last year. He's hit .911 in July, 1.119 since the break. If his bat is back this is a great move. It will allow them to sit/rest/rehab Papi for October, gives them a more competent backup OF, and the possibility to replace the prospect dealt. Dye is a FA and will be a type-A. I doubt he takes arb, so they'll get a 1/1s or at worst a 2/1s at then end of the year.

[BoSox21]

you have to like this deal if that's all they would have to give up

[example1]

If Dye returns to his 1.000+OPS level' date=' he would make your lineup murder. And that could mean less PT for Drew, but is that really a bad thing for you guys?[/quote']

 

I think it is a bad thing. Drew is supposed to be playing, and he should play unless he is injured. Now, if it means you give Papi every 3rd or 4th day off (against reasonable opponents) then I could really see the benefit of getting Dye.

 

Drew is a guy who went .325/.404/.558/.962 in June. He's playing really streaky now, but if he stabalizes I think he will prove that he is better than he has shown. I hope that they give Papi some time off and get Manny to DH. A 'fallback' outfield of Dye, Crisp and Drew should be pretty good. Especially since it appears that Dye may have found his swing again.

[CrespoBlows]

FRAA

 

Dye - +9

Drew - (-) 5

 

WARP1

 

Dye - 2.6

Drew - .9 (Wow)

 

EqA

 

Dye - .250

Drew - .249

 

BABIP

 

Dye - .242 (career .302)

Drew - .298 (career .319)

 

What I'm trying to say, is that if the Red Sox manage to land Jermaine Dye, they should make him the everyday RF. Dye has been on absolute fire this last month, and it's more than likely that he's going to continue to rake. Fenway Park is only going to further help his numbers.

 

It's not a stretch to say that Dye would be worth a two or three game improvement in the standings.

[BSN07]

I think this is a good movw. But I unlike some others have not given up on Drew. He just hasn't seem to get comfortable for a long stretch this season. Maybe having Dye there will ease some of the pressure on him and help him regain some confidence. And lets face it, we can bitch about him missing games but having Dye here to give him much needed rest in August and September would be nice. Having both players fresh come playoff time would be great.

 

I think Dye would give Manny, Papi and Drew much needed rest and have them all fresh for the PO.