July 23rd @ Cleveland

[See Red]

Lugo gets another hit. Regression to the mean is awesome in his case.

 

Yeah, but wouldn't that technically be "progression to the mean"?

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah' date=' but wouldn't that technically be "progression to the mean"?[/quote']

 

Yeah, I guess. I knew something didn't click correctly in that sentence.

 

Unless your talking about how his sucking is regressing I guess...

[jacksonianmarch]

No' date=' not every pitcher would have a tough inning. Face it, this is a clear sign the Yankees will win the East. Purplemonkeydishwasher.[/quote']

 

So he has his good stuff tonight? You were the one who quoted his pitch speed in his rehab. His speed is way off. His curveball has been crappy. His location has been off. He's just finding a way to get outs with no stuff. I am happy for him, I really am. I just have seen this all too often in our staff earlier this yr. A guy pitching with marginal major league stuff getting into and out of jams on nothing but luck and guts. Eventually, the talent has to take over. You know who Lester reminds me of right now? Chase Wright, who beat the Guardians doing this kind of work then got hammered in Fenway.

[jacksonianmarch]

as I say it, Lester gets a DP. I dont know how the hell he is doing it, but good for him.

[schillingouttheks]

Hey Jacko, he got through the next two innings pretty cleanly. It just looked like good pitching to me. He may be lacking some tools tonight, but he's still being effective. Not to mention it's his first start at the major league level. Regardless, he was good tonight.

 

Lester's at 96 pitches. Does he go out to start the 7th? If his pitch count is limited at 110, they may have him start the 7th at the very least.

[ORS]

His stuff looks a lot like Pettitte's, so maybe go watch some Yankee Classics if you are still looking for answers.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Hes got one more

[jacksonianmarch]

Hey Jacko, he got through the next two innings pretty cleanly. It just looked like good pitching to me.

 

Lester's at 96 pitches. Does he go out to start the 7th?

 

No kidding he did. I dont know how he is mowing down this solid lineup with a pus fastball and not his best curve. If this kid ever recovers the stuff that was reported by ORS a few months ago, he could really be something. He has balls.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I wouldnt say he got out of the jam on luck, he struck out a guy, fielded a weak dribbler off the end of the bat and another strikeout.

[jacksonianmarch]

His stuff looks a lot like Pettitte's' date=' so maybe go watch some Yankee Classics if you are still looking for answers.[/quote']

 

Pettitte has had the luxury of age and experience to fall back on with his decline in velocity. Lester's is over 2 months time.

[jacksonianmarch]

I wouldnt say he got out of the jam on luck' date=' he struck out a guy, fielded a weak dribbler off the end of the bat and another strikeout.[/quote']

 

Guttierez chased ball 4 and Sizemore chased 2 pitches out of the zone. He got help, but gotta give the kid credit. Good for him.

[ORS]

No kidding he did. I dont know how he is mowing down this solid lineup with a pus fastball and not his best curve. If this kid ever recovers the stuff that was reported by ORS a few months ago' date=' he could really be something. He has balls.[/quote']

Frankly, I don't recall posting velocity readings, but if I did, I can assure they were second hand as I have yet to see him pitch this year. And, the "no stuff" he's throwing up there is very similar to Pettitte's without the same command. Thing is, Andy didn't start off with stellar command either, but he did survive with effective wildness, which is what I think we are seeing from Lester.

[ThirdBase]

Guttierez chased ball 4 and Sizemore chased 2 pitches out of the zone. He got help' date=' but gotta give the kid credit. Good for him.[/quote']

 

You are kind.

Thank you!

[Rdsxmbnt]

in the MIN vs Toronto game as someone mentioned earlier, Santana got hammered giving up 4 HR

[ksushi]

I don't think Lester has hit 97 MPH in his life....just as I feel he's never hit 95 MPH which has been mentioned. Highest I've ever seen from him is 93 MPH

 

Actually, he did hit 96 in A ball this year. He definitely is battling some fatigue but not the point where he is ineffective. I don't think his velocity has ever been consistently sub-90 for him, but also its never consistently above 93 or 94. He definitely hit 93-94 a bunch of times last year, I remember one 95 against the braves. His game isn't velocity though, its movement. He looked really good tonight.

[jacksonianmarch]

Frankly' date=' I don't recall posting velocity readings, but if I did, I can assure they were second hand as I have yet to see him pitch this year. And, the "no stuff" he's throwing up there is very similar to Pettitte's without the same command. Thing is, Andy didn't start off with stellar command either, but he did survive with effective wildness, which is what I think we are seeing from Lester.[/quote']

 

I can agree with that. Effective wildness is the deathknell of my team as well. I see your point.

[schillingouttheks]

Hey Manny, a dinger here would be nice, but make sure it's actually a homer before you start jogging.

[ORS]

Jacko seems very agitated. I suspect he's a little upset Lester pitched well despite his platitudes about "wanting" him to do well.

[schillingouttheks]

... that was high.

[schillingouttheks]

Some more runs would have been nice, but get the bridge to Papelbon going. Delcarmen - Okajima - Paps. Scrumptious.

 

Or we can stick Timlin out there... please don't suck and continue your success.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko seems very agitated. I suspect he's a little upset Lester pitched well despite his platitudes about "wanting" him to do well.

 

I am agitated as a yankee fan that the sox are winning. I am happy that Lester did doing well, athough I am not afraid to grade his stuff tonight. I know most people want to put aside the performance, look at the numbers and say that he was amazing tonight. While he was amazing simply for showing up and making it back, his stuff compared to what he is capable of at full strength left a lot to be desired. All I am saying is that they are bringing this kid to a gun fight with a squirt gun and he fought well tonight. But with his velocity this low, he wont last. To be honest with you, I was hoping he'd do well and the rest of your staff would collapse around him.

[TheKilo]

Man, was I wrong about Timlin. 4 pitchers who are throwing lights out in the back end of the pen right now?

 

Makes things look pretty good.

[TheKilo]

I am agitated as a yankee fan that the sox are winning. I am happy that Lester did doing well' date=' athough I am not afraid to grade his stuff tonight. I know most people want to put aside the performance, look at the numbers and say that he was amazing tonight. While he was amazing simply for showing up and making it back, his stuff compared to what he is capable of at full strength left a lot to be desired. All I am saying is that they are bringing this kid to a gun fight with a squirt gun and he fought well tonight. But with his velocity this low, he wont last. To be honest with you, I was hoping he'd do well and the rest of your staff would collapse around him.[/quote']

 

Why does he have to throw 95 to be successful? He had one rough inning tonight. IMO he did leaps and bounds better than I thought he would and he made pitches when he had to. This was one of the better lineups in the majors he pitched against tonight. 6IP, 2ER and 6 Ks is about all I could ask.

[ORS]

Why does he have to throw 95 to be successful? He had one rough inning tonight. IMO he did leaps and bounds better than I thought he would and he made pitches when he had to. This was one of the better lineups in the majors he pitched against tonight. 6IP' date=' 2ER and 6 Ks is about all I could ask.[/quote']

Seriously, a big majority of LHP operate below 93.

 

Why is Lester the only one who has to pitch in mid-90's to be successful?

[Rdsxmbnt]

i love a good WB mason commericial

[schillingouttheks]

i love a good WB mason commericial

 

They all suck and give me a headache.

[TheKilo]

i love a good WB mason commericial

I'm still waiting for one.

[BoSox21]

wow, what a low strike

[Rdsxmbnt]

you guys are Staples apologists

[TheKilo]

you guys are Staples apologists

 

 

edit - BTW, excellent pen usage from Tito thus far.