June 2nd vs. New York

[jacksonianmarch]

Except that A-Rod was on the way up and Pedroia had already let go of the ball....then sure, he was trying to break up the DP.

 

Jacko, get over it. The only thing Lowell did today that was, in your view, "wrong," was when he flattened Cano. He didn't tackle Cano. He put a shoulder into him and Cano fell. Big whoop.

 

It's looking more and more like the only reason you want your pitchers to throw at our batters is because it will somehow compensate for the Yankees getting cum facialed by the Sox this year.

 

See ORS's post. That's basically what I have to say. Spare yourself some trouble and just respond to his post, lol...I'll take it as a response to mine as well.

 

wrong on nearly every count. Putting a shoulder into someone while their momentum is coming towards you is essentially a tackle. Any other language used to describe that is misleading. And we have been sucking all season. Why would I pick now to explode? Lowell deserved to be retaliated on. That is that. Papi and Manny should be brushed back every now and then. Other than that, play ball and let the best team (yours) win.

[TheKilo]

"even the guy who can't think said something" Vince Vaughn, Anchorman.

 

Are you kidding me? Albert Belle anyone? ARod's play was not within the rules and he should have been retaliated on. But at least ARod was near the base and was in a slide. Lowell just stopped, thought about it and bumrushed Cano. I would think that the runner at 1st would have been called out regardless.

 

Meh. Did Lowell have to tackle him? Probably not. But does it warrant getting hit in the head?

 

Anyone remember back in '04 when Delgado bumrushed Mientkweicz when he was playing second base? Same type of scenario. We won that game too.

 

The Sox showed no class today? Yawn. Must be tough coming up with new excuses every day.

[TheKilo]

Scott Proctor sucks.

 

It's clear the reason we lost last night is because I didn't post. So win f***ers.

 

You can all thank me later. Jacko might want to drill me in the head though.

[jacksonianmarch]

Meh. Did Lowell have to tackle him? Probably not. But does it warrant getting hit in the head?

 

Anyone remember back in '04 when Delgado bumrushed Mientkweicz when he was playing second base? Same type of scenario. We won that game too.

 

The Sox showed no class today? Yawn. Must be tough coming up with new excuses every day.

 

They didnt. But just because they have no class doesnt mean they arent really f***ing good. You guys beat the piss out of us physically and in the standings. If we are gonna lose, I'd rather we get ours while we are at it.

[TheKilo]

They didnt. But just because they have no class doesnt mean they arent really f***ing good. You guys beat the piss out of us physically and in the standings. If we are gonna lose' date=' I'd rather we get ours while we are at it.[/quote']

 

Beat the piss out of you?

 

I'd rather have a guy who throws a shoulder LIKE A MAN than throws an elbow in the groin.

 

You know who goes after the groin? Bitches. Seems you're a fan of a bunch of bitches.

[ORS]

Messages dont get sent as well as they used to ORS. And I would think that your team has stepped over the line for far too long without payback that it is warranted. And in baseball' date=' you wholly accept that the step into the batters box may be the last step you ever take. If you werent willing to accept that, you never would have laced them up. I've had my bell rung a few times and have rung my share of bells. I liked hitting people in the ribs when I thought they crossed the line and I am not ashamed to say that I have headhunted 3 times in my career. Missed once, got the top of the helmet the other and nailed the last kid between the shoulderblades. He went down in a heap. It isnt macho crap. It is baseball. I have never started anything in my career. Never got mad and drilled someone intentionally. Never brushed someone back for the purpose of being an *******. But if someone started something, I finished it. That is how it should be.[/quote']

There's a huge logical disconnect there. Just because they accept it as possible doesn't make the action of intentionally doing it OK.

 

The rest? Macho crap. Playing the game right calls for people getting hit for a myriad of reasons. Only a select few, where the intent is to injure, call for a headshot. Lowell's wasn't one of them. Short of that, if you want your guys to hit our guys below the shoulders more often, please, try and make it happen. Your pitchers have a hard enough time getting our guys out, so I'll take the free baserunners.

[jacksonianmarch]

Beat the piss out of you?

 

I'd rather have a guy who throws a shoulder LIKE A MAN than throws an elbow in the groin.

 

You know who goes after the groin? Bitches. Seems you're a fan of a bunch of bitches.

 

ARod is a bitch. I dont doubt that.

[jacksonianmarch]

There's a huge logical disconnect there. Just because they accept it as possible doesn't make the action of intentionally doing it OK.

 

The rest? Macho crap. Playing the game right calls for people getting hit for a myriad of reasons. Only a select few, where the intent is to injure, call for a headshot. Lowell's wasn't one of them. Short of that, if you want your guys to hit our guys below the shoulders more often, please, try and make it happen. Your pitchers have a hard enough time getting our guys out, so I'll take the free baserunners.

 

we have a hard enough time getting little leaguers out. This may have been the biggest team disappointment in modern baseball history. Oh no wait, that was the 04 ALCS. Open mouth, insert gun, pull trigger. Bad memories.

[schillingouttheks]

wrong on nearly every count. Putting a shoulder into someone while their momentum is coming towards you is essentially a tackle. Any other language used to describe that is misleading. And we have been sucking all season. Why would I pick now to explode? Lowell deserved to be retaliated on. That is that. Papi and Manny should be brushed back every now and then. Other than that' date=' play ball and let the best team (yours) win.[/quote']

 

Fair enough. Touche.

 

But it doesn't warrant a blow to the head. I'll give you that Lowell probably should have had a message sent by drilling him in the ribs or something, but you only throw at the head if your intent is to injure. Come on Jacko, when you cool down a little bit you'll realize that calling for a head shot to Lowell is a bit of an overreaction.

 

And for the record...when you play baseball, you're playing a game. You should never have to enter the batter's box worrying that those steps may have been your last. It comes down to being a game. You make it sound as if they joined the army for Christ's sake. They should never have to worry about their safety when entering the box. It's outrageous to say that, Jacko.

[riverside sluggers]

wow, what an awesome game that was.

 

Seriously. This bullpen was supposed to be amazing. It sucks. Something awful. This captain, he is supposed to be a glove wizard. In the field, he sucks. Something awful. That guy Moose. He's supposed to be our #2. He sucks. Something awful.

 

And how about this team sticking up for their comrades. What the f***? I know Proctor drilled Youks last night. But what Lowell did today was punishable by a head hunt. You dont tackle the 2b. I know it is similar to what ARod did, but ARod grazed him while Lowell flat our bumrushed Cano. The deal with Minky was an accident. But it shouldnt have come to that. Vizcaino should have tested out how strong Lowell's helmet was in the 9th.

 

Damn Im always for retaliation if its warranted... but youre actually going to the length you want a guy to be given the "Tony C" treatment?

[schillingouttheks]

Damn Im always for retaliation if its warranted... but youre actually going to the length you want a guy to be given the "Tony C" treatment?

 

Don't bring up Tony C, riverside. I mean, like he said to me, he'll tell you to just "get over it" since it was 30 years ago

 

Nothing warrants being hit in the head. Lowell wasn't trying to hurt Cano. Sure, he didn't have to go as far as he did, and he probably deserved a shot to the side or something, but not to the head.

[jacksonianmarch]

Damn Im always for retaliation if its warranted... but youre actually going to the length you want a guy to be given the "Tony C" treatment?

 

the Tony C treatment is to ask him to take his helmet off and drill him in the eye. I want to test the strength of his helmet. Hence, I dont want to hit him in the face.

[riverside sluggers]

Jeez Jacko you are one sick f***. I bet youd be jump;ing up and down on your couch celebrating as Lowell lay on his back on home plate... just dazed, eyes rolling back to his head, unresponsive. The difference between you and me is that if I saw Arod got hit in the head in a secnario like that, Id be hoping to god that he was ok. Im not a monster

 

By the way... before with Arod plays, you said you are ok with them because it helped you win the game? Nick backtracking, f***er.

[jacksonianmarch]

Fair enough. Touche.

 

But it doesn't warrant a blow to the head. I'll give you that Lowell probably should have had a message sent by drilling him in the ribs or something, but you only throw at the head if your intent is to injure. Come on Jacko, when you cool down a little bit you'll realize that calling for a head shot to Lowell is a bit of an overreaction.

 

And for the record...when you play baseball, you're playing a game. You should never have to enter the batter's box worrying that those steps may have been your last. It comes down to being a game. You make it sound as if they joined the army for Christ's sake. They should never have to worry about their safety when entering the box. It's outrageous to say that, Jacko.

 

 

absolutely not. Entering the batters box afraid is something a pitcher preys upon. As a pitcher, you always could tell when someone was afraid and you used it to your advantage. Without that fear, pitchers are very hittable. Right now, your team has no fear of us. We need to instill some. And I am all for drilling someone in the ribs if they were an ******* or to send a message to the other pitchers to stop throwing at our players. And like I said, hitting Youks that high was unwarranted last night.

[TedWilliams101]

Yes Lowell has made his share of errors this season, but I still think he is the best fielder. He hasn't had the best season fielding, but he is the best. Highest career fielding percentage at 3B says it all. He has been a vacuum throughout his career. His age might be showing now though, but I think it was just a cold start. The weather was cold and so was his glove. He has looked like the regular Lowell for the last month.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jeez Jacko you are one sick f***. I bet youd be jump;ing up and down on your couch celebrating as Lowell lay on his back on home plate... just dazed, eyes rolling back to his head, unresponsive. The difference between you and me is that if I saw Arod got hit in the head in a secnario like that, Id be hoping to god that he was ok. Im not a monster

 

By the way... before with Arod plays, you said you are ok with them because it helped you win the game? Nick backtracking, f***er.

 

I am okay with what he did on my end. Doesnt mean he didnt deserve one in the ribs. But he didnt forearm shiver Pedroia in the chest and drive him to the ground. Hell, Lowell could have easily injured Cano seriously too. Two can play this game.

[riverside sluggers]

Lets see elbow to the chest... 95 mph fastball to the side of the head... yep that evens out. Maybe someday youll get to see that happen to a sox player again

[jacksonianmarch]

Listen man, baseball has the ultimate equalizer. In football, you can hit someone dirty. In basketball, you can hard foul. In hockey, you can drive a guy into the ice. But baseball has always had this weapon, this aura about throwing at a batter. We need to use it.

 

And btw, I liked the way Bob Gibson played if that gives you any idea into my mindset. I've seen a good amount of replays and read my share on him. That f***er was no-nonsense. And Lowell would have thought twice at 2nd if Gibby was on the mound for us.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lets see elbow to the chest... 95 mph fastball to the side of the head... yep that evens out. Maybe someday youll get to see that happen to a sox player again

 

And this time, it wont be as bad of an outcome. There is a reason why Conigliaro's injury is an isolated incident. The protection is better, the batter's eyes allow the hitter a clean view of the ball, etc etc etc. Throwing up and in isnt as dangerous as it used to be. And back in the day, they'd deck you for looking at them cross-eyed.

[jacksonianmarch]

hell, maybe I'm a dirty player. Who knows. This is how I played the game and how I was coached to play the game. No nonsense. Dont start anything, but be willing to finish what they start. I've seen teammates get reemed out for headhunting without reason and I've seen teammates get reemed out for not putting a kid on his ass when it was warranted. It goes both ways.

[riverside sluggers]

As I said before... unlike you, I dont want to see guys put into comas or careers ended. Im all for brushback pitches, but this f***ed up s*** of testing out helmets... the f*** I have any respect for you

[riverside sluggers]

And this time' date=' it wont be as bad of an outcome. There is a reason why Conigliaro's injury is an isolated incident. The protection is better, the batter's eyes allow the hitter a clean view of the ball, etc etc etc. Throwing up and in isnt as dangerous as it used to be. And back in the day, they'd deck you for looking at them cross-eyed.[/quote']

 

umm the face isnt protected last time i checked... if the batter doesnt have good reactionary time, sometime in the ICU for him

[schillingouttheks]

Jacko, throwing at the head is unwarranted no matter what. Lowell deserves a shot at the ribs or something...I can agree with you there. But I wouldn't even wish a head shot on A-Rod if he did something completely out of line. Come on.

 

absolutely not. Entering the batters box afraid is something a pitcher preys upon. As a pitcher' date=' you always could tell when someone was afraid and you used it to your advantage. Without that fear, pitchers are very hittable. Right now, your team has no fear of us. We need to instill some. And I am all for drilling someone in the ribs if they were an ******* or to send a message to the other pitchers to stop throwing at our players. And like I said, hitting Youks that high was unwarranted last night.[/quote']

 

Oh, well yeah I agree with that. But you're making it sound like they should fear for their life in the box. They can be afraid of getting hit, yeah. But fearing for their lives? Come on.

 

Yes Lowell has made his share of errors this season' date=' but I still think he is the best fielder. He hasn't had the best season fielding, but he is the best. Highest career fielding percentage at 3B says it all. He has been a vacuum throughout his career. His age might be showing now though, but I think it was just a cold start. The weather was cold and so was his glove. He has looked like the regular Lowell for the last month.[/quote']

 

This year, Lowell hasn't been the best. This year.

[TedWilliams101]

I never said he HAS been the best, I said he IS the best IMHO. From HERE on out, I'd take Lowell defensively over another other fielder on our team.

 

As for who has been the best fielder so far this season, I would also have to say Pedroia. He's been quite the pleasant surprise.

[TheKilo]

hell' date=' maybe I'm a dirty player. Who knows. This is how I played the game and how I was coached to play the game. No nonsense. Dont start anything, but be willing to finish what they start. I've seen teammates get reemed out for headhunting without reason and I've seen teammates get reemed out for not putting a kid on his ass when it was warranted. It goes both ways.[/quote']

 

That's funny because it was ARod's play that started the ********.

[VA Sox Fan]

this pedroia kid is unreal right now. I'll admit I was dead wrong on nearly everything this offseason. My prediction IQ is below adam's.

 

 

Some things never change jacko, your prediction IQ is still intact as you noted. Your rant on Lowell is well out of line and reminds me of your retarded rants of the past.

 

What Lowell did was legal, but Cano still made the play so it had no effect on anything. Cano was not injured.....game over.

 

Get over your f***ing embarassingly underacheiving team and STFU about hitting batters in the head and hope they trade King of the Bush League A-Fraud in July. Sweet Lou could use him.......LOL.

[mtbykr]

Be careful of what you wish for there jacko; remember who is on the mound for us tommorow. If the yanks every tried to hit deuce in the head, beckett could really hurt someone considering he's been throwing fire lately and he's got the attitude to do it

[riverside sluggers]

Be careful of what you wish for there jacko; remember who is on the mound for us tommorow. If the yanks every tried to hit deuce in the head' date=' beckett could really hurt someone considering he's been throwing fire lately and he's got the attitude to do it[/quote']

 

Him and Lowell have also been on the same team since Beckett came up from the minors, very strong connection those two have

[mtbykr]

Him and Lowell have also been on the same team since Beckett came up from the minors' date=' very strong connection those two have[/quote']

 

good point!

[jacksonianmarch]

Some things never change jacko, your prediction IQ is still intact as you noted. Your rant on Lowell is well out of line and reminds me of your retarded rants of the past.

 

What Lowell did was legal, but Cano still made the play so it had no effect on anything. Cano was not injured.....game over.

 

Get over your f***ing embarassingly underacheiving team and STFU about hitting batters in the head and hope they trade King of the Bush League A-Fraud in July. Sweet Lou could use him.......LOL.

 

VA, seriously, if you think that what Lowell did was within the bounds of the game, then really there is no point in having this conversation.