April 7th Orioles @ Yankees

[jacksonianmarch]

WOW, so we go down 7-2, I have a long night ahead of me tonight, so I figure I'd watch the game as I doze off. I wake up and it is 7-3 with Giambi up. Needless to say, the rest is history.

 

BTW, MVP of this game is shared by ARod and the bullpen. If their arms stay on, this should be one hell of a team. The rotation will come along once CMW gets back and the weather warms up. Wow.

[riverside sluggers]

Yea Pavano & Igawa are set to be stable arms and give the yankees a lot of innings...

[jacksonianmarch]

Yea Pavano & Igawa are set to be stable arms and give the yankees a lot of innings...

 

The rotation will come along as I said. One of the duo of Pavano and Igawa will not be in the rotation come July, potentially both.

[the mann]

What a CLUTCH hitter A-Rod is, and what a game he played.

A-Rods line: 3 for 4, 6 RBIs, 4 Runs, 1 Walk.

[example1]

WOW, so we go down 7-2, I have a long night ahead of me tonight, so I figure I'd watch the game as I doze off. I wake up and it is 7-3 with Giambi up. Needless to say, the rest is history.

 

BTW, MVP of this game is shared by ARod and the bullpen. If their arms stay on, this should be one hell of a team. The rotation will come along once CMW gets back and the weather warms up. Wow.

 

It is so weird to watch someone else's emotions swing wildly while watching another team. I'm so used to it myself in Sox games but it is nice to see that others go through it too.

 

I've never been a big fan of the "A-Rod can't hit in the clutch" philosophy. He's a good hitter. He gets a lot of s*** that he wouldn't get if he was playing SS. Derek Jeter is okay if he steals his 30 bags, hits .320 with 25 bombs and 90 RBI. A-Rod is a horrible disappointment if he hits .290 with 35 HR and 110 RBI. If A-Rod played SS his numbers would STILL be better than Jeter's and he would be seen as more valuable.

 

My biggest hope is that the Yankees buy into their fans impatience and let him go. At that point I would advocate for the Sox to get him. Why the hell not? Have him play SS again and remind people that he won multiple MVPs and gold gloves.

[riverside sluggers]

$46 million spent overall on a guy who could end up in relief or stashed away at Triple A... yea

[jacksonianmarch]

example. For the past 3 seasons, his stats in the clutch and in the playoffs have been near useless. If he turns that around, then we will love him. And he is on the right foot. I dont expect him to turn it around on every occasion, but think of what he does in the clutch, or what he did previously. It isnt just that he hasnt hit the jack, he hasnt moved the runner, he has K'd with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs, he has hit into crushing double plays. If he at least has solid ABs in the clutch, then he will be loved. And to be loved in NY, is something that no player (sans a fan crush in Boston) can experience anywhere else.

[a700hitter]

This could become ARod's team. Jeter will not like that.

[jacksonianmarch]

$46 million spent overall on a guy who could end up in relief or stashed away at Triple A... yea

 

there was a reason why the guy was one of the most dominant pitchers in Japan and when you watch his stuff, you see glimpses. But as with Mussina and Pettitte, when you cannot locate your secondary pitches, your mediocre fastball isnt enough to get by with. I saw maybe one called strike on an off speed pitch. In ST, when his curves were getting over, he was absolutely untouchable. Thus far, our offense has snagged 2 games that our pitchers were intent on blowing. One more game in the cold with hit or miss Rasner until we go to the dome. Yankee fans should feel real lucky right now that we arent 0-4.

[jacksonianmarch]

This could become ARod's team. Jeter will not like that.

 

You think Jeter is the jealous one here? What was the one thing ARod needed to get himself onto the pedestal of best player this generation. He had the stats, the power, the speed, etc etc etc. He did not have the rings nor the fan adulation. If he gets both in NY, he and Jeter would share the spotlight. There is no chance in hell that he can go higher than that.

[example1]

example. For the past 3 seasons' date=' his stats in the clutch and in the playoffs have been near useless. If he turns that around, then we will love him. And he is on the right foot. I dont expect him to turn it around on every occasion, but think of what he does in the clutch, or what he did previously. It isnt just that he hasnt hit the jack, he hasnt moved the runner, he has K'd with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs, he has hit into crushing double plays. If he at least has solid ABs in the clutch, then he will be loved. And to be loved in NY, is something that no player (sans a fan crush in Boston) can experience anywhere else.[/quote']

 

 

How do you define stats in the clutch? In the same way that people downplay what Ortiz does in the clutch to justify why A-Rod or Jeter or Morneau should win the MVP I'll do the same thing here. 40 Bombs with 100 + RBI is a tremendous output. I don't care if its in the clutch or not.

 

I don't mind knowing that A-rod is coming up in a clutch situation, because his lack of success in those situations has been a relief at times. However, I just don't think its valid to put too much weight on those stats. For me, clutch hitting really doesn't exist, but clutch pitching does. Papi's historical success in clutch sitautions likely makes other pitchers more nervous and less likely to execute; likewise, A-Rod's lack of success probably gives pitchers confidence but doesn't really change the way he swings the bat.

 

I don't know. :dunno: I know Yankee fans are very frustrated, and they have a right to be. But I think more often than not they take out their frustrations because of the bloated payroll of the team and the lack of their ability to somehow overcome the variables that are inherent in baseball through that payroll. Fans want a team that will go 140-22, but that just isn't going to happen no matter how much money you spend. The teams that have approached those types of records are those teams that find the perfect chemistry, and that process isn't explained in a book or a high school class. Chemistry develops over the season.

 

I know you know all that stuff. I'm not trying to take away your disdain of what A-Rod has done in the past, it's all valid. I just think it shouldn't be surprising when he DOES come through in the clutch at times.

[example1]

You think Jeter is the jealous one here? What was the one thing ARod needed to get himself onto the pedestal of best player this generation. He had the stats' date=' the power, the speed, etc etc etc. He did not have the rings nor the fan adulation. If he gets both in NY, he and Jeter would share the spotlight. There is no chance in hell that he can go higher than that.[/quote']

 

I think he just needed to stay at SS, where 40 HR and 130 RBI are unheard of. Instead, he went to a city where he THOUGHT he would get adoration and rings and they haven't happened.

[jacksonianmarch]

How do you define stats in the clutch? In the same way that people downplay what Ortiz does in the clutch to justify why A-Rod or Jeter or Morneau should win the MVP I'll do the same thing here. 40 Bombs with 100 + RBI is a tremendous output. I don't care if its in the clutch or not.

 

I don't mind knowing that A-rod is coming up in a clutch situation, because his lack of success in those situations has been a relief at times. However, I just don't think its valid to put too much weight on those stats. For me, clutch hitting really doesn't exist, but clutch pitching does. Papi's historical success in clutch sitautions likely makes other pitchers more nervous and less likely to execute; likewise, A-Rod's lack of success probably gives pitchers confidence but doesn't really change the way he swings the bat.

 

I don't know. :dunno: I know Yankee fans are very frustrated, and they have a right to be. But I think more often than not they take out their frustrations because of the bloated payroll of the team and the lack of their ability to somehow overcome the variables that are inherent in baseball through that payroll. Fans want a team that will go 140-22, but that just isn't going to happen no matter how much money you spend. The teams that have approached those types of records are those teams that find the perfect chemistry, and that process isn't explained in a book or a high school class. Chemistry develops over the season.

 

I know you know all that stuff. I'm not trying to take away your disdain of what A-Rod has done in the past, it's all valid. I just think it shouldn't be surprising when he DOES come through in the clutch at times.

 

what people do in the past shapes their future. Then again, you can undo your past if you change your ways. Philosophical, huh?

 

Either way, I am a former ballplayer who just loves to watch the little things in baseball and I get very annoyed when a player gives up an at bat. ARod has done that in the clutch too often in the past. He didnt today and we won. HAPPY TIMES!

[example1]

what people do in the past shapes their future. Then again, you can undo your past if you change your ways. Philosophical, huh?

 

Either way, I am a former ballplayer who just loves to watch the little things in baseball and I get very annoyed when a player gives up an at bat. ARod has done that in the clutch too often in the past. He didnt today and we won. HAPPY TIMES!

 

I'm a former ballplayer too and I like watching the little things as well. I also remember the reactivity of hitting and how much of it is simply routine, hand eye coordination and reactions. As a former pitcher (and I'm sure you have experience with that too) I can remember how much more of a physical routine it is. There are so many things tha tneed to go right with mechanics, and when you're sweating bullets and have 50,000 people screaming at you I think it is easier to crack under the pressure. Especially with things like "walks looming over your head. You could simply throw 4 non-strikes and blow the game.

 

It doesn't seem like A-rod really uses that to his advantage. He always seems to be pressing, in a way that most other hitters don't and I think a big part of that is the media and the fans who expect him to be superhuman somehow.

[MANNYHOF24]

So far the yankees season is on schedule, the offense is great nobody will deny that, the starting pitching is worse than people thought so far. (I know it's early) The bullpen has been solid as well.

[a700hitter]

You think Jeter is the jealous one here? What was the one thing ARod needed to get himself onto the pedestal of best player this generation. He had the stats' date=' the power, the speed, etc etc etc. He did not have the rings nor the fan adulation. If he gets both in NY, he and Jeter would share the spotlight. There is no chance in hell that he can go higher than that.[/quote']Ah, b ut the petty diva Jeter will resent ARod if he becomes a fan favorite.

[Optimist]

Yeah...that's why Jeter was the one that pushed A-Rod out of the dugout to take his curtain call today.

[yankees228]

Yeah...that's why Jeter was the one that pushed A-Rod out of the dugout to take his curtain call today.

 

True, but I'm not so sure Jeter would be devestated if A-Rod opted out.

[a700hitter]

Yeah...that's why Jeter was the one that pushed A-Rod out of the dugout to take his curtain call today.

Jeter knows the politcs of playing in NY and he is very much aware that people started looking at him with regard to the whole ARod thing. I am sure he's having dinner with him right now.

[Dana Kiecker]

Most of the sox fans on this site spend way to much time oggling the CFY's..

 

Its like the family in the trailer goofing on how fat the lady who lives in the mansion aross the streat is.

[riverside sluggers]

The rotation will come along as I said. One of the duo of Pavano and Igawa will not be in the rotation come July' date=' potentially both.[/quote']

 

I still think it will be league average at best, that is until say the Yanks call up Hughes & snag Roger at the same time. For the Yankees' sake the starter's need to throw more innings, bullpen is getting a good deal of work early on thus far

 

Yankees starter's

(1-2, 10.00 ERA) 17.1 innings, 28 Hits, 22 Runs (19 ER), 11 Walks, 10 Ks

 

Yankees bullpen

(1-0, 1.48 ERA) 18.2 innings, 11 Hits, 3 Runs, 5 Walks, 14 Ks

 

Overall:

(2-2, 5.50 ERA) 36 innings, 39 Hits, 25 Runs (22 ER), 4 HRs, 16 Walks, 24 Ks

 

Red Sox starter's

(2-2, 3.27 ERA) 22 innings, 19 Hits, 9 Runs (8 ER), 9 Walks, 24 Ks

 

Red Sox bullpen:

(1 save, 1.50 ERA) 12 innings, 6 Hits, 2 Runs, 1 Walk, 9 Ks

 

Overall (2nd best in AL)

(2-2, 1 save, 2.65 ERA) 34 innings, 25 Hits, 11 Runs (10 ER), 2 HRs, 10 Walks, 33 Ks

[Jon_Papelboner]

Igawa got f***ed by a pop up with eyes. I'm not worried at all about this start.

 

As for A rod, he's a fag, but he did well today.

[a700hitter]

Igawa got f***ed by a pop up with eyes. I'm not worried at all about this start.

 

As for A rod, he's a fag, but he did well today.

I'd be worried if I were you. He gave up a number of ropes and a couple of bombs. He had bad command and execution. The most worrisome aspect was the fact that he looked like he was going to s*** himself on the mound.

[a700hitter]

Nice hit for a run by Lugo.

[EvilDonut]

Lol, wrong thread

[Jon_Papelboner]

I'd be worried if I were you. He gave up a number of ropes and a couple of bombs. He had bad command and execution. The most worrisome aspect was the fact that he looked like he was going to s*** himself on the mound.

 

Things will come around. The O's are good hitting team.

[riverside sluggers]

Igawa got f***ed by a pop up with eyes. I'm not worried at all about this start.

 

As for A rod, he's a fag, but he did well today.

 

Yea 5 innings, 8 Hits, 7 Runs, 3 Walks, 2 Ks

 

good starter the rest of the season! :thumbsup:

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

The pen has been outstanding. Its way too early to worry about the roation. When we get Wang back and Mussina/Pettitte get more starts under their belt they will be fine.

[Optimist]

Yea 5 innings, 8 Hits, 7 Runs, 3 Walks, 2 Ks

 

good starter the rest of the season! :thumbsup:

 

Wait...how was Schilling's start to the season, against the KANSAS CITY ROYALS?

[riverside sluggers]

Curt Schilling has proven track record, Igawa does not in the states. Schilling's fastball topped out at 93/94 in his first start, Igawa's topped out at what 88? Id say there's a good chance Schilling still comes out on top with the better season