Sox keeping tabs on relievers

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2007/03/18/talented_trio_on_center_stage/?page=4

 

Sox are looking at Linebrink.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/03/18/timlin_ok_after_throws/

 

Al Nipper has been scouting Lidge and Turnbow as well.

[TheKilo]

OMG NO WAI

[seabeachfred]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2007/03/18/talented_trio_on_center_stage/?page=4

 

Sox are looking at Linebrink.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/03/18/timlin_ok_after_throws/

 

Al Nipper has been scouting Lidge and Turnbow as well.

 

And here I thought Theo was determined to go with what we have. I can see Linebrink and Lidge, but Turnbow has been mostly a chronic underachiever except for one good year of pitching. The Angels gave up on the guy because he was their version of our Manny Delcarmen. Still it's good news to know that we are looking at some help in the bullpen.

[NateGrey]

.. Ellsbury & Hansen for Lidge? .. Umm, no thanks ..

[seabeachfred]

.. Ellsbury & Hansen for Lidge? .. Umm' date=' no thanks ..[/font']

 

No thanks with an exclamation point Nate. If talks are going to take place between the Astros and Red Sox, as soon as the name Jacoby Ellsbury is mentioned talks stop. Any talk of trading Ellsbury is a non-starter as far as I'm concerned. Now if they mention either Coco Crisp, David Murphy or WMP, then I would be willing to listen. I am not all that high on Hansen right now; he seems to have regressed but I would rather trade him that allow us to lose Bucholz, Bowden, Cox or Bard. But that's just my take.

[adam123]

Just send willy mo pop up and hansen ..for lidge i think change of scenery would do him good

[TGov]

Just send willy mo pop up and hansen ..for lidge i think change of scenery would do him good

 

No way, Lidge had a rough year, that's no reason to throw Wily Mo at them, he's gonna be good, all he needs is some tuning... About Hansen, give the kid a chance, he had one year last year to try and show what he had and he didn't throw his best pitch (slider), I dont know why... but I think he should just pitch how he did in his short '05 term...

Why not try and trade Murphy (don't go crazy yet, I know Murphy for Lidge would never go) and maybe Delcarmen... but I think Wily Mo and Ellsbury (from earlier posts) are off limits, they're our future outfielders...

[CrespoBlows]

Just send willy mo pop up and hansen ..for lidge i think change of scenery would do him good

 

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[MANNYHOF24]

I would actually consider Hansen and Willy Mo, for Lidge. I would probabaly do it if it were up to me. Lidge did have a bad year last year, but he stills throws hard and still struck out a tun of guys last year. I actually agree with Adam, a change of scenery probably would be good for him.

[a700hitter]

For a guy who had an off year didn't he have something like 32 saves and 6 BS. I'll take that in an off year.

[CrespoBlows]

For a guy who had an off year didn't he have something like 32 saves and 6 BS. I'll take that in an off year.

 

That would be 84% save percentage.

 

Jorge Julio's career save percentage is a notch under 80%. Why again, do you not want Julio?

[Fried Neckbones]

I don't want Julio, but I would take Lidge for Hansen+. Lidge has about a 3:1 k:bb ratio, Julio is about 2:1. Also, Lidge had some bad d playing behind him last year, and still managed, as a700 pointed out, 30+ saves in an "off" year. Hell yeah, I would trade a guy who projects to be about as good as Lidge (but hasn't shown it yet) for Lidge.

[example1]

Lidge could benefit from a change in scene, yes. But that's not a reason to give away Pena and Hansen (or any such trade for him). It's not buying low in the SLIGHTEST to send a 25 year old slugger and potential long-term closer for a closer whose best years could be behind him. That's buying at Lidge of 2 years ago (or close) and would be based solely on hope that he could turn it back around.

 

My reaction to Julio is simply a gut one that I don't have a lot of faith in him. Looking at his numbers, though, he's done pretty well and his numbers are good. I'm not convinced, but his K/9 numbers went up by a lot so maybe that's a sign that he's doing better. He's only 27 and has been in the league for only 4 total seasons. For some reason I tought he had been around longer than that.

 

In any case, a fair trade for Lidge (Pena for Lidge) or Julio wouldn't make me mad. I would really like to have a decent closer.

[example1]

I don't want Julio' date=' but I would take Lidge for Hansen+. Lidge has about a 3:1 k:bb ratio, Julio is about 2:1. Also, Lidge had some bad d playing behind him last year, and still managed, as a700 pointed out, 30+ saves in an "off" year. Hell yeah, I would trade a guy who projects to be about as good as Lidge (but hasn't shown it yet) for Lidge.[/quote']

 

What would the plus be?

[a700hitter]

That would be 84% save percentage.

 

Jorge Julio's career save percentage is a notch under 80%. Why again, do you not want Julio?

The two don't even compare. Lidge is far superior. Julio looks like he is going to toss his cookies in pressure situations.

[CrespoBlows]

What would the plus be?

 

Unlike Lidge, Julio won't require an arm and a leg.

 

I'm not demanding that Julio be the closer, I believe the Red Sox should be looking to add quality relievers to fill out their thin bullpen. Julio would look pretty good pitching in the 7th or 8th. If he needs to fill in at closer, I think he could do it, but apparently you all saw a pitcher fall apart in Baltimore, and that's the guy he really is.

[Fried Neckbones]

Unlike Lidge, Julio won't require an arm and a leg.

 

I'm not demanding that Julio be the closer, I believe the Red Sox should be looking to add quality relievers to fill out their thin bullpen. Julio would look pretty good pitching in the 7th or 8th. If he needs to fill in at closer, I think he could do it, but apparently you all saw a pitcher fall apart in Baltimore, and that's the guy he really is.

 

The plus probably wouldn't be Pena. Murphy, maybe?

 

As for building a pen, Crespo, the pen is already stocked with middle relief guys. It's the back that needs addressing.

[example1]

The plus probably wouldn't be Pena. Murphy, maybe?

 

As for building a pen, Crespo, the pen is already stocked with middle relief guys. It's the back that needs addressing.

 

Well, Julio could be the next Mike Timlin couldn't he? I get Crespo's point: at a small enough price it certainly doesn't hurt to get guys who can close but wh omore often pitch in the 7th or 8th.

 

Crespo I don't know about what people saw when he was in Baltimore. He fits a preconcieved category of pitchers to me: big guy, throws pretty hard, doesn't always hit his spots, has a 2nd pitch (probably not a good 3rd), can be taken advantage of with patient hitting and power.

 

I have NO CLUE if that actually applies to him. Does he have more than 2pitches? How's his control? Those would be the questions I have before agreeing to Julio. I don't dismiss him outright though.

 

Also: simply having Murphy is one of the things I would think about before trading Pena. I think he could be a useful 4th OF if Pena were moved. Pena + Moss makes a lot of sense.

[ksushi]

My take on Julio: Monster stuff, awful control.

[jacksonianmarch]

My take on Julio: Monster stuff' date=' awful control.[/quote']

 

that is a solid assessment.

[adam123]

I would actually consider Hansen and Willy Mo' date=' for Lidge. I would probabaly do it if it were up to me. Lidge did have a bad year last year, but he stills throws hard and still struck out a tun of guys last year. I actually agree with Adam, a change of scenery probably would be good for him.[/quote']

 

thanks mannyhof24 usually no agrees with me

[adam123]

Well now that timlins out and will probably start season on dl .. I think we need to make a trade for linebrink because without the horse timlin ... oh no ..

[TheKilo]

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[CrespoBlows]

thanks mannyhof24 usually no agrees with me

 

Actually, that's Manny DOESN'T agree with me.

 

Is English your first language?

[adam123]

no iam from chlie

[rician blast]

no iam from chlie

 

where's that? In Suoht Amrecia?

[CrespoBlows]

How long have you been in the United States?

[redsoxsuperfan]

 

Sox are looking at Linebrink.

 

Al Nipper has been scouting Lidge and Turnbow as well.

 

Derrick Turnbow seems like the most legit option as far as a trade goes that the Red Sox have. Benitez is way more risky, as he can suck at times and is also a perennial injury.

 

Turnbow was lights out last year for abotu half the season, and somehow just lost it. Usually when a pitcher shits the bed that quickly, it is something that can be fixed. Guys who are done for usually digress more gradually.

 

Plus, Turnbow is a lot younger and could be around for more than just this year.

[adam123]

How long have you been in the United States?

 

likea .. 3yrs

[a700hitter]

Derrick Turnbow seems like the most legit option as far as a trade goes that the Red Sox have. Benitez is way more risky, as he can suck at times and is also a perennial injury.

 

Turnbow was lights out last year for abotu half the season, and somehow just lost it. Usually when a pitcher shits the bed that quickly, it is something that can be fixed. Guys who are done for usually digress more gradually.

 

Plus, Turnbow is a lot younger and could be around for more than just this year.

If Turnbow is our only option, I think I'll give Piniero a chance.