Schilling rips backstabbing front office

[seabeachfred]

.. Schill should STFU & concentrate on this season .. Geesh, I love him for what he did in O4 & all but holy f***s ..

 

 

You love him for what he did in 04 but holy f***s????? Well if you appreciate as much as I do what he did for us that season why do you think his request is so unreasonable? He won 15 games last year, didn't he, and with a popgun attack much of the time. None of our young gun pitchers will be ready this year or next according to most scouts and we can use Schill for the 2008 season. Perhaps he should wait until the AS break and if he does well then the FO can tender him an extention, but I still think his case in unique in what he has done for the Red Sox. I don't see the guy as the type to take the money and run like some of our esteemed former players have done. He wants to stay in Boston and pitch for us. To me, he is the exception to the rule in that regard and in my belief that he merits some special consideration.

[seabeachfred]

his era in the 2nd half was 4.68??

he had 15 wins

he missed almost an entire month between late aug and sept or he may have won 18

 

question for you business people

who do you want in this rotation with the ball in game 7??

 

anyone who says dice k or becks is a f***ing liar or worse,a bleeding nitwit

 

if theo and the fans think curt needs to earn it so be it

just remember

if he does earn it?? 13M isnt going to be the price

arroyo got a 25M extension

adam harang is making schilling money

both these guys pitch in poverty stricken cincinatti

if cinci opens its vaults like that who else would go after schill??

baltimore??

philly??

toronto??

the idea that the sox are alone in the schilling negotiations is wishful speculation and more to the point f***ing nonsense

this isnt jd drew we're discussing

this is pitching where gil meche is at 11M and ted lilly is in the same ballpark

 

this is pitching

not wily mo pena

 

 

SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA

Season 31 204.0 220 90 28 28 183 15 7 0 104.8 1.22 .276 3.97

 

what would those #s have EARNED schilling this season if he was on the market?

 

86% of his starts were considered quality efforts

his arm isnt a concern

he wants another year at the same money he made last season

 

the entire world,including his teamates are watching

if nothing else

with the young arms in camp they can learn a thing or 50 about courage,preperation,commitment and proffesionalism from this guy

 

the idea of this guy in camp unsigned for next year isnt a good business decision

its moronic and mindboggling

 

Bravo Crunch. Excellent post and I hope I speak for all in the Pro-Schilling camp that believes he not only deserves an extention for what he has done for the Red Sox, but that he is well worth the money. To say Gil Meche is worth $11 million and Curt is not worth $13 is ridiculous in the extreme. Most Red Sox fans walk with a more cocky and confident attitude nowadays because of what he helped the team accomplish and none of us would feel so great about our team if what did happen had not. And it would not have happened without Schilling's possible sacrifice of his career for the whole lot of us.

[Mr Crunchy]

can you imagine outperforming everyone you work with last year

while risking your career 18 months before hand to end your companies 86 year old losing stretch

and then have your employer ask you to earn your 08 salary while the rest your competetion is eyeballing you with drool coming out of the corner of their mouths??

 

tell me

how would you react to the people asking you to ""earn"" your salary after you stapled your ankle tendon to get out on the mound then rebounding from this injury and posting solid #s for the 17th out of 18th year youve been in this business??

 

this isnt petey asking for 55M

this isnt damon asking for 4 years

 

it was a 1 year request for an extension at the same money

 

someone needs to step up and write the check today

[BudLight]

can you imagine outperforming everyone you work with last year

while risking your career 18 months before hand to end your companies 86 year old losing stretch

and then have your employer ask you to earn your 08 salary while the rest your competetion is eyeballing you with drool coming out of the corner of their mouths??

 

tell me

how would you react to the people asking you to ""earn"" your salary after you stapled your ankle tendon to get out on the mound then rebounding from this injury and posting solid #s for the 17th out of 18th year youve been in this business??

 

this isnt petey asking for 55M

this isnt damon asking for 4 years

 

it was a 1 year request for an extension at the same money

 

someone needs to step up and write the check today

 

 

__________________________________________________________________________

New York Bank of Millionaires

Bank and Trust

 

 

Pay to the Order of: Curt Schilling

 

The amount of Thirteen Million and no/100's dollars

 

Memo: for pitching services to the NY Yankees in 2008 Signed: George Steinbrenner

__________________________________________________________________________

[Mr Crunchy]

ive heard people say they'd never pitch in ny or boston

ive heard cy young winners say they want to pitch for a contender closer to their home in texas and they end up in f***ing canada

ive heard our mvp say it isnt about the money as they take more money to play out west

ive heard so much ******** from athletes,their agents and the smarmy little cock sucking gm's who try to be big boys.....

 

i dont believe any of it

 

im sure it was jd drews dream to play in fenway

im sure it was dice K's ambition as a boy in seibu to play in boston

i truly believe manny when he says he wants to retire here too

and

i believe schill when he says he will never pitch in ny too

[Mr Crunchy]

oh

and f*** you bb

[VA Sox Fan]

oh

and f*** you bb

 

Ditto Crunch!

[Mr Crunchy]

im all for the merit system when it comes to signing free agents but the red sox dont follow the same rules,theres no consistancy,none at all

 

it seems theyre rewarding everyone but the people who got us the title in 04

[VA Sox Fan]

im all for the merit system when it comes to signing free agents but the red sox dont follow the same rules,theres no consistancy,none at all

 

it seems theyre rewarding everyone but the people who got us the title in 04

 

I was thinking about that earlier and except for Varitek (and maybe Papi), you're right.

[BudLight]

ive heard people say they'd never pitch in ny or boston

ive heard cy young winners say they want to pitch for a contender closer to their home in texas and they end up in f***ing canada

ive heard our mvp say it isnt about the money as they take more money to play out west

ive heard so much ******** from athletes,their agents and the smarmy little cock sucking gm's who try to be big boys.....

 

i dont believe any of it

 

im sure it was jd drews dream to play in fenway

im sure it was dice K's ambition as a boy in seibu to play in boston

i truly believe manny when he says he wants to retire here too

and

i believe schill when he says he will never pitch in ny too

 

Crunch

 

I agree with almost all of what you are saying, but JD Drew's dream to play in Boston? Nah, if the Royals would have paid him more than LA or Boston that transvestite would be sporting the Royal Blue right now 4 hours down the road from me.

[Mr Crunchy]

papi got 12M

they paid drew 2M per more a year

david ortiz hit more hrs in the last 2 years than jd drew did in his last 5

 

now

i understand the market corrections and i understand that drew plays in the field as well

 

that said

i wouldnt be shocked if the big man decided it was time to reevaluate his status with the team...maybe take some time off around the break to see his sick step great grandmother

maybe nurse that strain on his back for the weight hes been carrying for 3 years

 

this isnt a perfect world and our boys are indeed human

its only a matter of time before some s*** gets stirred up

 

picture this

june 1st,sox and yanks tied for 1st,drew is out a month with a yeast infection and ortiz is on his way to the hr and rbi titles...sox in ny for the weekend

i can see callahan now??

david

did you know that jd drew is making more money than you are??

dont you feel disrespected??

why do you let them treat you this way??

would you be the same hitter if manny wasnt hitting behind you??

why did the redsox invest twice as much in a japanese pitcher than you??

why did they let your buddy petey go?

why didnt they sign schilling??

why did they waive manny??

 

its only a matter of time i fear

 

every single day this front office gets more and more frightening and unpredictable

[Mr Crunchy]

Crunch

 

I agree with almost all of what you are saying, but JD Drew's dream to play in Boston? Nah, if the Royals would have paid him more than LA or Boston that transvestite would be sporting the Royal Blue right now 4 hours down the road from me.

 

agreed bb

i was being facetious

when they say its not about the money they speaketh with fork tongue

[BudLight]

papi got 12M

they paid drew 2M per more a year

david ortiz hit more hrs in the last 2 years than jd drew did in his last 5

 

now

i understand the market corrections and i understand that drew plays in the field as well

 

that said

i wouldnt be shocked if the big man decided it was time to reevaluate his status with the team...maybe take some time off around the break to see his sick step great grandmother

maybe nurse that strain on his back for the weight hes been carrying for 3 years

 

this isnt a perfect world and our boys are indeed human

its only a matter of time before some s*** gets stirred up

 

picture this

june 1st,sox and yanks tied for 1st,drew is out a month with a yeast infection and ortiz is on his way to the hr and rbi titles...sox in ny for the weekend

i can see callahan now??

david

did you know that jd drew is making more money than you are??

dont you feel disrespected??

why do you let them treat you this way??

would you be the same hitter if manny wasnt hitting behind you??

why did the redsox invest twice as much in a japanese pitcher than you??

why did they let your buddy petey go?

why didnt they sign schilling??

why did they waive manny??

 

its only a matter of time i fear

 

every single day this front office gets more and more frightening and unpredictable

 

 

It seems not so many years ago, fans were bitching all the time about the lack of loyalty of players to their teams. It seems the tide has definitely turned.

[VA Sox Fan]

papi got 12M

they paid drew 2M per more a year

david ortiz hit more hrs in the last 2 years than jd drew did in his last 5

 

now

i understand the market corrections and i understand that drew plays in the field as well

 

that said

i wouldnt be shocked if the big man decided it was time to reevaluate his status with the team...maybe take some time off around the break to see his sick step great grandmother

maybe nurse that strain on his back for the weight hes been carrying for 3 years

 

this isnt a perfect world and our boys are indeed human

its only a matter of time before some s*** gets stirred up

 

picture this

june 1st,sox and yanks tied for 1st,drew is out a month with a yeast infection and ortiz is on his way to the hr and rbi titles...sox in ny for the weekend

i can see callahan now??

david

did you know that jd drew is making more money than you are??

dont you feel disrespected??

why do you let them treat you this way??

would you be the same hitter if manny wasnt hitting behind you??

why did the redsox invest twice as much in a japanese pitcher than you??

why did they let your buddy petey go?

why didnt they sign schilling??

why did they waive manny??

 

its only a matter of time i fear

 

every single day this front office gets more and more frightening and unpredictable

 

I'd be shocked if Papi ever pulled anything like that. He's not made like that, it's just not him. But I guess time will tell.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

OK...to all of the Sox fans saying that the FO is making a smart decision...if this were football, I would agree with you. Football has a salary cap to deal with, and signing someone like Schilling who is asking for more money than he may prove he's worth would hamper the teams ability to make other moves. Thanks to Bud Selig, George Steinbrenner, and the "new age" of baseball, this is not the case in our sport.

 

Regardless of what the front office will tell you...the Sox have an ENDLESS amount of money. You've all been to games, you all know what you've paid for tickets, you've all bought merch, you know what that stuff costs...the Boston Red Sox are BIG business. They chose to keep their payroll where it is so that they can make MORE money. It's not like they're struggling to pay the players what they are...they're making money hand over foot off of the Sox.

 

That being said, the Sox owe it to Schilling to let him finish up here as he has stated he wants to do. If it were a salary cap concern, I would totally understand the FO's stance...it's not, however. If they pay Schilling $14 million next year or whatever he's asking for...it's $14 million LESS that the owners bring in, and that's why they're hesitant, and that's what rubs me the wrong way.

 

Schilling made a sacrifice for you in pitching on an ankle that could have potentially ended his career; you should, in turn, make a "sacrifice" for him. End of story.

[jmiller2]

not to argue whether or not schilling deserves anything (from a personal standpoint he should get one, but it'd be a terrible deal if he goes 12-12 this year...paradox of a 40 year old), but wouldn't the organization take into account how he's playing to the media through this? he is his own agent, and right now he's acting as more of an agent than a player. and mr. crunchy is right...if anyone, papi deserves an extension

[BudLight]

And for those that still believe Roger Clemens will end up pitching in Boston this year because of some "sentimental value" to the team ......... I don't recall Roger ever being on the mound for the Sox while winning a WS.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

And for those that still believe Roger Clemens will end up pitching in Boston this year because of some "sentimental value" to the team ......... I don't recall Roger ever being on the mound for the Sox while winning a WS.

 

I hate when I make a good post and then it's lost because someone goes and says something stupid like this afterwards.

 

Of course Clemens wasn't on the mound when the Sox won the series. At the same rate, the sentimentality can still be there. Fans who understand baseball and look deeper into things realize that it was the FO that dicked over Clemens. They didn't show him the respect he had earned/deserved and he flew the coop. Did I like him playing for the Yanks? s*** no. But at the same rate, the guy's is a helluva pitcher, and I loved him while he played in Boston. I don't blame him for leaving when he did. Sure, the course of events would have been different should I have written it, but whatever.

 

I'm not even a big Clemens fan...but to imply that Clemens can't have sentimentality towards playing in Boston because he never won a Series here is ridiculous. Coming back to play for fans who never wanted you to leave and finishing up with the team that gave you your shot on their quest to bring another championship to argueably the most passionate fans in all of professional sports? Sheesh...where's the sentimentality in that?

[VA Sox Fan]

I hate when I make a good post and then it's lost because someone goes and says something stupid like this afterwards.

 

Of course Clemens wasn't on the mound when the Sox won the series. At the same rate, the sentimentality can still be there. Fans who understand baseball and look deeper into things realize that it was the FO that dicked over Clemens. They didn't show him the respect he had earned/deserved and he flew the coop. Did I like him playing for the Yanks? s*** no. But at the same rate, the guy's is a helluva pitcher, and I loved him while he played in Boston. I don't blame him for leaving when he did. Sure, the course of events would have been different should I have written it, but whatever.

 

I'm not even a big Clemens fan...but to imply that Clemens can't have sentimentality towards playing in Boston because he never won a Series here is ridiculous. Coming back to play for fans who never wanted you to leave and finishing up with the team that gave you your shot on their quest to bring another championship to argueably the most passionate fans in all of professional sports? Sheesh...where's the sentimentality in that?

 

Well HOSN, he (Budlight) is, afterall, a Yankee fan......

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Well HOSN' date=' he (Budlight) is, afterall, a Yankee fan......[/quote']

 

Touche Sir, Touche.

[VA Sox Fan]

Touche Sir' date=' Touche.[/quote']

 

 

It's Ma'am, Miss or Bi-atch, but it's all good.....

[Mr Crunchy]

I'd be shocked if Papi ever pulled anything like that. He's not made like that' date=' it's just not him. But I guess time will tell.[/quote']

 

hes not made like that??

what

human??

 

we all have egos.some bigger than others

we all have buttons that can be pushed as well

 

i didnt figure him to s*** on his teamates and jeter by announcing that he was a better mvp candidate because jetsey played on a better team....

but he did

this is mere grandstanding and some sadistic speculation on my end

 

but it isnt that far fetched when you think about it

[VA Sox Fan]

hes not made like that??

what

human??

 

we all have egos.some bigger than others

we all have buttons that can be pushed as well

 

i didnt figure him to s*** on his teamates and jeter by announcing that he was a better mvp candidate because jetsey played on a better team....

but he did

this is mere grandstanding and some sadistic speculation on my end

 

but it isnt that far fetched when you think about it

 

That was a surprise when Papi eluded to the Jeter thing re: the MVP. Very out of character. He was pretty damn frustrated.

 

Like we've said, time will tell. He's seen what the FO has done w/ other players, maybe his tune will change. It'd be weird though.

[Mr Crunchy]

Of course Clemens wasn't on the mound when the Sox won the series. At the same rate, the sentimentality can still be there. Fans who understand baseball and look deeper into things realize that it was the FO that dicked over Clemens. They didn't show him the respect he had earned/deserved and he flew the coop. Did I like him playing for the Yanks? s*** no. But at the same rate, the guy's is a helluva pitcher, and I loved him while he played in Boston. I don't blame him for leaving when he did. Sure, the course of events would have been different should I have written it, but whatever.

 

 

do you do drugs or were you doing them in 96 when clemens left us??

shall we walk down memory lane for a moment

i wont go into his collassal playoff failures or his complete lack of courage

i will simply discuss his deals

 

clem wins cy youngs and pitches the sox into the playoffs in 86-88-90 and ended up with a 1-4 record in post season action

the sox ink clemens to the best contract in bball which was 25M over 5 years

clemens proceeds to go 40-39 in these 5 seasons

after we got swept by cleveland and he couldnt outpitch 87 year old dennis martinez in game 1 he decides to go to the free agent market

 

he announces

i want to go to a contender and pitch closer to my family in texas

the sox offered clem 30M for 5 years

1 team out bid them

toronto gave him 32M for 4 years which was the biggest contract in baseball at the time

 

anybody here who thought toronto made a good move is lying

clem was a .500 pitcher for his 5 yr deal and a f***ing eunich in the playoffs

 

toronto was the only team that bid for him

its no where near texas and they were a last place team at the time

 

blame duquette all you want

but outside toronto nobody wanted his ass for that kind of money

[seabeachfred]

can you imagine outperforming everyone you work with last year

while risking your career 18 months before hand to end your companies 86 year old losing stretch

and then have your employer ask you to earn your 08 salary while the rest your competetion is eyeballing you with drool coming out of the corner of their mouths??

 

tell me

how would you react to the people asking you to ""earn"" your salary after you stapled your ankle tendon to get out on the mound then rebounding from this injury and posting solid #s for the 17th out of 18th year youve been in this business??

 

this isnt petey asking for 55M

this isnt damon asking for 4 years

 

it was a 1 year request for an extension at the same money

 

someone needs to step up and write the check today

 

Crunch, you, Va RSF, Bud Light and some of the rest of us in the pro-Schilling camp can imagine it, but frankly I don't think anything we say is going to change the minds of those who think that Schilling doesn't deserve any special consideration whatsoever. If they cannot understand that his case is unique, that he did something no other Red Sox player did or might even have tried to do, that he is not asking for the moon, that the Red Sox are awash in money. that he isn't worth two mil more than the likes of Gil Meche, well then, we are not going to get anywhere trying to change their minds. Maybe we are the ones who are wrong, though for the life of me I have never thought I've been on the right side of an argument as I am now.

[seabeachfred]

ive heard people say they'd never pitch in ny or boston

ive heard cy young winners say they want to pitch for a contender closer to their home in texas and they end up in f***ing canada

ive heard our mvp say it isnt about the money as they take more money to play out west

ive heard so much ******** from athletes,their agents and the smarmy little cock sucking gm's who try to be big boys.....

 

i dont believe any of it

 

im sure it was jd drews dream to play in fenway

im sure it was dice K's ambition as a boy in seibu to play in boston

i truly believe manny when he says he wants to retire here too

and

i believe schill when he says he will never pitch in ny too

 

If the Red Sox continue to stiff Schilling the rest of the 2007 season and he gets his back up good and proper we could find him heading over to Yankee Stadium where George would have the check book ready for a one or two year contract. For the Red Sox and RSN that would be the classic total PR f***-up of all time, and we all know our team has had it's share of those things over the years.

[seabeachfred]

I was thinking about that earlier and except for Varitek (and maybe Papi)' date=' you're right.[/quote']

 

VA Sox Fan, maybe there are times when some of us take a position that we believe in and know deep down that we might be wrong, but this Schilling thing to me is so clear and concise that I have rarely thought that I was on the absolute 100% right side of an issue as I am on this. Some say the Red Sox don't owe Schilling anything, but they only have to recheck Red Sox history just three seasons back to find that a bogus argument.

[seabeachfred]

Crunch

 

I agree with almost all of what you are saying, but JD Drew's dream to play in Boston? Nah, if the Royals would have paid him more than LA or Boston that transvestite would be sporting the Royal Blue right now 4 hours down the road from me.

 

Just for the record Bud, J.D. Drew is going to have the best years of his career with the Red Sox. Too many Cardinal, Brave and Dodger fans have dissed this guy, but check his record the last three seasons. Except for getting hit on that wrist in the middle of 2005 he has been healthy and productive for his teams. In fact, when he got hit on the wrist two seasons ago he was blazing hot and headed for a great year after a very slow start.

 

Drew will be one of more solid players for the next few years.

[seabeachfred]

OK...to all of the Sox fans saying that the FO is making a smart decision...if this were football, I would agree with you. Football has a salary cap to deal with, and signing someone like Schilling who is asking for more money than he may prove he's worth would hamper the teams ability to make other moves. Thanks to Bud Selig, George Steinbrenner, and the "new age" of baseball, this is not the case in our sport.

 

Regardless of what the front office will tell you...the Sox have an ENDLESS amount of money. You've all been to games, you all know what you've paid for tickets, you've all bought merch, you know what that stuff costs...the Boston Red Sox are BIG business. They chose to keep their payroll where it is so that they can make MORE money. It's not like they're struggling to pay the players what they are...they're making money hand over foot off of the Sox.

 

That being said, the Sox owe it to Schilling to let him finish up here as he has stated he wants to do. If it were a salary cap concern, I would totally understand the FO's stance...it's not, however. If they pay Schilling $14 million next year or whatever he's asking for...it's $14 million LESS that the owners bring in, and that's why they're hesitant, and that's what rubs me the wrong way.

 

Schilling made a sacrifice for you in pitching on an ankle that could have potentially ended his career; you should, in turn, make a "sacrifice" for him. End of story.

 

It should be the end of story Head Nation; but it won't be. We'll be hearing from the anti-Schilling camp in short order. I just cannot fathom why that group cannot see that Schilling's case is a special one. He is not taking the money and running, he is not asking for an exhorbitant figure, he is not threatening to go to the Mets or Yankees, he wants to finish his career as a Red Sox. I would think after seeing the crap that Martinez, Lowe and Damon pulled this would count for something.

[redsoxrules]

It should be the end of story Head Nation; but it won't be. We'll be hearing from the anti-Schilling camp in short order. I just cannot fathom why that group cannot see that Schilling's case is a special one. He is not taking the money and running' date=' he is not asking for an exhorbitant figure, he is not threatening to go to the Mets or Yankees, he wants to finish his career as a Red Sox. I would think after seeing the crap that Martinez, Lowe and Damon pulled this would count for something.[/quote']

 

schilling is being treated the same god dam way that those 3 players you named , so it isn't surprising to me right now and it shouldn't be of a surprise to schilling and he knows it .

 

and please schilling dosent deserve to be recognized more than any other sox player from that 2004 team