Fantasy League 1

[ORS]

Ok, Zach has started the '07 league. Here's the teams as best I can determine, please fill in your team if I missed you....

 

Los Pepinos - ORS

ZaChAttaCK! - schillingouttheks

Cusetown Heroes - HOSN

Pesky's Crusaders - ????

Porch Monkeys - ARod2212 :wtf:

Brooklyn Yankees - He Hate Me ???

The Pubes - Crespo

Stockers - Take a guess

The Burninators - See Red

Cape Codders - SFoC

Jack's Jacks - Dingleberry

???? - ????

 

So, let's have this thread be where we discuss and vent about the goings-on of our teams this year.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Cusetown Heros- HeadofSoNation.

 

Who's Dingleberry ?

 

Good idea, we didn't have any discussion in either league last year. I hope everyone is up for the dues idea.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Is there such a thing as a "private thread" on here? Like that only certain people can see? I know we could post on the message board in the league within Yahoo!, but I like this format way better. You think we'll have any problems with it getting cluttered by people not in the league?

 

 

I'm totally in for the dues idea.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Not in the Contests & Prizes Forum.

[ORS]

Cusetown Heros- HeadofSoNation.

 

Who's Dingleberry ?

 

Good idea, we didn't have any discussion in either league last year. I hope everyone is up for the dues idea.

Well, Jacksonianmarch is playing, and there's a team called Jack's Jacks. Dingleberry is just some banter.

 

I'm up for the dues. Is Zach coordinating that?

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I think so, but I haven't heard it officially yet.

[Manny Goes Boom]

The double question mark is me. I totally forgot this was starting so soon. Good call on making the thread. Manny's Crew is me...if you had any trouble figuring that out.

[He Hate Me]

Brooklyn Yankees is here in the house ready to defend his championship title from last year! Unlike ARod, I didn't choke in the clutch!

[schillingouttheks]

Ok, Zach has started the '07 league. Here's the teams as best I can determine, please fill in your team if I missed you....

 

Los Pepinos - ORS

ZaChAttaCK! - schillingouttheks

Cusetown Heroes - HOSN

Pesky's Crusaders - ????

Porch Monkeys - ARod2212 :wtf:

Brooklyn Yankees - He Hate Me ???

The Pubes - Crespo

Stockers - Take a guess

The Burninators - See Red

Cape Codders - SFoC

Jack's Jacks - Dingleberry

???? - ????

 

So, let's have this thread be where we discuss and vent about the goings-on of our teams this year.

Good idea, let's just abandon the league posting and just post here, it'll keep it more orderly. The ???s are Manny Goes Boom, Pesky's Crusaders is riverside sluggers, and yes, Brooklyn Yankees is He Hate Me. And yes, ARod's choice of a team name is quite ... appalling?

 

Well, Jacksonianmarch is playing, and there's a team called Jack's Jacks. Dingleberry is just some banter.

 

I'm up for the dues. Is Zach coordinating that?

As far as I know, everyone is willing to throw in $20 to the winner. The split is $20 to third place (don't lose any money), $40 to second and $180 to the winner. So you get a bit of a profit from making the championship round, and you at least get your money back for finishing third. Jackpot for winning it. I'm leaning towards having everyone mail me the $20 and I'll pass it out accordingly when the season's over, or having someone else do it (I still live with parents, so they might get pretty suspicious if I have $20 coming in from all over the place).

 

Brooklyn Yankees is here in the house ready to defend his championship title from last year! Unlike ARod' date=' I didn't choke in the clutch![/quote']

Pft, I won the title in League #1 last year and lost to you in the championship round of League #2

[schillingouttheks]

Don't forget that the draft is scheduled for Wednesday, March 14th at 9:00pm EASTERN TIME.

 

If you can't be there, be sure to pre-rank your players.

 

I will post the drafted teams shortly after the draft in case anyone else from the board is interested in at least following what's going on here. Come playoff time, I'll post the playoff match ups and update them accordingly.

 

Remember the following changes to the settings of the league:

- No can't cut list

- OBP in addition to BA

- K is taken out, replaced with K/9 and K/BB to balance batting vs. pitching categories

- 1 extra "P" slot, 4 total

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

One more thing, it would be really helpful if those of you that are not in this league keep comments in this thread to a minimum, as it will clutter the thread less and make everyones' lives easier. Thank you for understanding.

[CrespoBlows]

 

I love some of the names out there.

[He Hate Me]

Don't forget that the draft is scheduled for Wednesday' date=' March 14th at 9:00pm EASTERN TIME.[/size']

 

If you can't be there, be sure to pre-rank your players.

 

I will post the drafted teams shortly after the draft in case anyone else from the board is interested in at least following what's going on here. Come playoff time, I'll post the playoff match ups and update them accordingly.

 

Remember the following changes to the settings of the league:

- No can't cut list

- OBP in addition to BA

- K is taken out, replaced with K/9 and K/BB to balance batting vs. pitching categories

- 1 extra "P" slot, 4 total

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

One more thing, it would be really helpful if those of you that are not in this league keep comments in this thread to a minimum, as it will clutter the thread less and make everyones' lives easier. Thank you for understanding.

 

I want to point out that by doing this, you eliminate the importance of starting pitching as 5 out of the 6 pitching categories are dominated by closers and relief pitchers.

[NateGrey]

.. Need 1 more? ..

[ORS]

I want to point out that by doing this' date=' you eliminate the importance of pitching as 5 out of the 6 pitching categories are dominated by closers and relief pitchers.[/quote']

No it doesn't. RPs might have better ERA and K/9 numbers on average, but it is weighted less because of the fewer IPs they will contribute each week, and due to this their K and BB totals that go into K/BB won't be as great. To win those categories, you will still need good starting pitching.

[He Hate Me]

No it doesn't. RPs might have better ERA and K/9 numbers on average' date=' but it is weighted less because of the fewer IPs they will contribute each week, and due to this their K and BB totals that go into K/BB won't be as great. To win those categories, you will still need good starting pitching.[/quote']

 

I dont think Yahoo cares about that when it comes to averages. If you have 6 closers and they have a 10/1 K/BB ratio, and thats all you start for that week, Yahoo will give you a 10/1 K/BB ratio.

 

ERA

WHIP

K/9

K/BB

 

These are all stats that don't take into account how many innings are pitched since they are just stats based on percentages or averages.

 

In order to rectify this problem, you will have to raise the minimum innings pitched to a high number. It's an option which I don't like doing because it's very subjective.

 

I would suggest replacing one of the stats based on average with a total category like K's or something to that effect. Right now, the guy with the most closers on his team will win pitching every week unless you start tinkering around with the minimum innings pitched.

[ORS]

I dont think Yahoo cares about that when it comes to averages. If you have 6 closers and they have a 10/1 K/BB ratio, and thats all you start for that week, Yahoo will give you a 10/1 K/BB ratio.

 

ERA

WHIP

K/9

K/BB

 

These are all stats that don't take into account how many innings are pitched since they are just stats based on percentages or averages.

 

In order to rectify this problem, you will have to raise the minimum innings pitched to a high number. It's an option which I don't like doing because it's very subjective.

 

I would suggest replacing one of the stats based on average with a total category like K's or something to that effect. Right now, the guy with the most closers on his team will win pitching every week unless you start tinkering around with the minimum innings pitched.

Every single one of those stats are IP dependent, and Yahoo doesn't just average out your pitchers. For expample, if your closers go for 6 IP with 10 K (15 K/9) and your starters go for 30 IP with 30 K (9 K/9), the average isn't (15 K/9 + 9 K/9) / 2 = 12. It would be (40K/36IP)*9= 10 K/9. They take the aggregate statline, not the average of each person's contribution.

[He Hate Me]

Every single one of those stats are IP dependent' date=' and Yahoo doesn't just average out your pitchers. For expample, if your closers go for 6 IP with 10 K (15 K/9) and your starters go for 30 IP with 30 K (9 K/9), the average isn't (15 K/9 + 9 K/9) / 2 = 12. It would be (40K/36IP)*9= 10 K/9. They take the aggregate statline, not the average of each person's contribution.[/quote']

 

I understand that formula, what I'm saying is that with these stat catgories, you can have an all relivers or closers pitching staff and still probably come out on top a majority of the time in the pitching cats.

[YanksHater213]

Damn I wasn't invited

 

But you couldn't start all relievers because I'm pretty sure there is a minimun innings pitched for the week you need your staff to reach so your stats count.

 

EDIT: There is, it's 15 innings a week for your pitching stats to count.

[ORS]

I understand that formula' date=' what I'm saying is that with these stat catgories, you can have an all relivers or closers pitching staff and still probably come out on top a majority of the time in the pitching cats.[/quote']

Doubtful. Due to the lower number of IPs, a bad outing by a reliever gets magnified. The only lock is the SV category. I brought up the idea of K/9 because guys like Joel Zumaya and Scot Shields, two excellent pitchers, had no value at all last year in fantasy baseball because they weren't closers. This way good RPs who are set-up men have some value.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Doubtful. Due to the lower number of IPs' date=' a bad outing by a reliever gets magnified. The only lock is the SV category. I brought up the idea of K/9 because guys like Joel Zumaya and Scot Shields, two excellent pitchers, had no value at all last year in fantasy baseball because they weren't closers. This way good RPs who are set-up men have some value.[/quote']

 

There is another consideration. There are not enough quality closers out there to totally stack a line up.

[He Hate Me]

Doubtful. Due to the lower number of IPs' date=' a bad outing by a reliever gets magnified. The only lock is the SV category. I brought up the idea of K/9 because guys like Joel Zumaya and Scot Shields, two excellent pitchers, had no value at all last year in fantasy baseball because they weren't closers. This way good RPs who are set-up men have some value.[/quote']

 

then I'd like to prose adding another cat to pitching, overall K and offset it with slg% in batting.

[ORS]

Or we could get rid of K/BB and just go with OPS. BA is a part of OBP, so it's already getting counted twice. K is part of two categories (K/BB and K/9) and BB is part of two categories (K/BB and WHIP). Then the categories would be....

 

OPS, HR, SB, RBI, R

ERA, K/9, WHIP, W, SV

[He Hate Me]

Or we could get rid of K/BB and just go with OPS. BA is a part of OBP, so it's already getting counted twice. K is part of two categories (K/BB and K/9) and BB is part of two categories (K/BB and WHIP). Then the categories would be....

 

OPS, HR, SB, RBI, R

ERA, K/9, WHIP, W, SV

 

I'm ok with that provided there is a weekly innings pitched mimimum of at least 20-25 to ensure that noone tries to stack their lineup with relivers and closers. I think with 5 or six pitchign slots, the minimum is easily attainable if you have a "normal" rotation of starters with relievers.

[schillingouttheks]

Ok, so if someone could post the compromised league settings I will gladly change them. What's the minimum innings pitched you guys want and which stat categories should I change?

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Ok' date=' so if someone could post the compromised league settings I will gladly change them. What's the minimum innings pitched you guys want and which stat categories should I change?[/quote']

 

Schillingouttheks, check your PM and let me know ?

[He Hate Me]

i think we shoulkd also cut down the P slots to 2. 4 is too many.

 

and maybe have one less bench spot. that way you force people to be more focused instead of stashing players.

[ORS]

i think we shoulkd also cut down the P slots to 2. 4 is too many.

 

and maybe have one less bench spot. that way you force people to be more focused instead of stashing players.

Are you kidding me? You want to up the minimums to 20-25 and only have 4 starting pitcher slots. One injury and you are f***ed.

 

I can abide by upping the minimums, but you need extra spots and extra bench to account for injuries/missed starts.

[He Hate Me]

Are you kidding me? You want to up the minimums to 20-25 and only have 4 starting pitcher slots. One injury and you are f***ed.

 

I can abide by upping the minimums, but you need extra spots and extra bench to account for injuries/missed starts.

 

fine then cut it down to 3 P and make minimum 20 innings. If someone cant get 20 innings out of 2 SP 2 RP and 3 P, then I'm sorry I can't feel sorry for them.

[ORS]

At this point I don't care anymore. I don't think you'll be happy until you have it exactly the way you want it, since all you've done in this thread is complain about how it's set-up since the thread started. No more grease from me, Mr. Squeaky-Wheel.

[He Hate Me]

At this point I don't care anymore. I don't think you'll be happy until you have it exactly the way you want it' date=' since all you've done in this thread is complain about how it's set-up since the thread started. No more grease from me, Mr. Squeaky-Wheel.[/quote']

 

 

hey thats not fair. I just want a league where the starters are as valuable as the relievers. I've been in leagues where people won because they had 8 relievers and 2 starters versus someone who had 5 starters and 5 relievers, and I just don't thinkt thats something I'm interested in being part of. The reality is that starters are more valuable and should be more valuable in fantasy play.

 

I thought we were having a fine discussion. I obviously didn't have a problem with the way it was setup last year. I just am interested in making things more balanced.