AROD sidesteps questions

[BSN07]

I believe I said this at the the beginning of the winter meetings that I was guessing AROD would opt out of his contract and hit the FA market. Some said no way he leave all that money on the table but the article even says he can get more money then whats left on his contract on the FA market.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6446994[link]

 

Jackson I know its nothing solid but you have to admit that I brought this to your attention awhile back and now I'm not the only one thinking it could happen LOL

[Mr Crunchy]

who is going to pay this man more than the yanks??

his #s have been solid

however his propensity for clutch time failure is well documented

[BSN07]

He hates NY but wont admit it, he might not get more annualy but he stands to make more in the total contract, Soriano just got a seven yr deal, AROD I bet can easily get a 6 yr 100M deal from someone who needs a bat. Theres only 72M left on his contract now, see how he would make more?

[Mr Crunchy]

soriano gets 16M per

arod 24M per

 

he cant take a cut in pay

we tried that and mlb players union rejected it

 

he can opt out

but again

would you if you were him??

sure

he may hate ny but hes also bright enuff to realize he'd have to take an 8M?? a year cut in pay to move elsewhere

unless someone is going to pay him the kind of money hes making now which i cant see

[BSN07]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2755852[link]

 

Looks like Boras is already drueling on this one. He will get a bigger deal then soriano no problem. LAA,LA,SEA,WASH and it even mentions Boston as possible interested teams, money will not be an issue, someone will pay him enough to make him happy.

[jacksonianmarch]

ARod loves his legacy too much to give the yankees that salary cap relief. This yr will be very telling though. If he actually steps up as a leader of the team and doesnt do his daily disappearing act after the 5th inning or so, then he would be stupid to leave. Contrary to popular belief, it doesnt take much to win over yankee fans. Hell, there were people who actually thought Bubba Crosby would have been a good starting yankee CFer after watching him have the month of his life in 05. But for ARod, he never got off to the good start. 04 was a poor yr for him, and something he will never escape. The fact that the yankees gave up the ultimate playoff ghost to the team they essentially cursed sits poorly in yankee minds. And ARod was billed as the savior that yr, and the absolute worst case scenario came true. THAT will be hard for him to overcome. But he loves himself WAY too much to give up this easily. Plus, he loves his cash flow way too much as well.

 

If he opts out, he will be forver known as the guy who couldnt handle the pressure in NY. His lone failure in his career (that and not winning the big one to this point anyway). Your best chance of winning is going to a team that is in the playoffs perennially, the team with the biggest budget, and the team with the most attractive prestigious allure. The yankees have that. One thing ARod has never done is proven himself a liar. We can call him a pretty boy, gay loving, homo all we want. He may be fake, condecending, and nauseating prepared with everything he says, but he isnt a liar. He has stated from the beginning that he wants to win it all. That is numero uno. If that is truly the case, if he is truly not a liar, then he wont opt out, because the yankees may be the only team that could potentially drag his sorry ass in the playoffs to a ring. There arent many other teams that could afford that.

 

And 2, its the money. He has something like 81 million coming to him in the last 3yrs of the contract. He turns 32 in July. He will be 34 when the current contract ends. At 34 and chasing the HR record, he'll make a pretty penny, and if he produces in NY, the yankees will compensate him dearly. I'd say Jeter money, in the range of 16-18 mil per until he's in his late 30s, lets say 39. If he opts out, he will likely get a Ramirez style contract right now, in the 20 mil per range for the next 6 or 7 yrs until he is 39. Look at the money until then.

 

If he stays and signs on for 5 yrs 80-90mil after this contract, he will make a total of 161-171 million by the time he turns 39.

 

If he opts out, he would get a 7 yr deal in the 140 mil range. Thats a 21-31 million dollar loss. He knows he's good. He knows he wont decline too poorly as he has a freakish body type and ability set. The best thing for him to do would be to stay in NY, start producing and acting like a leader and win a title.

[Mr Crunchy]

i hope ny signs him till hes 40

this man is the biggest post season gash ive ever seen and youre talking to a guy who saw fran tarkenton lose 3 super bowls

[jacksonianmarch]

i hope ny signs him till hes 40

this man is the biggest post season gash ive ever seen and youre talking to a guy who saw fran tarkenton lose 3 super bowls

 

he's got to have a good playoff series at some point. Right?

[Mr Crunchy]

sure you do jack

even the blind chicken catches a worm from time to time right??

 

baseball is a funny game

its the only game i know where the defense puts the ball into play

[Fried Neckbones]

He has had good playoff series. Prior to "The Collapse" :harhar: in '04, he hit .308, .312, .409, and .421 in playoff series (the last one is the '04 ALDS). Since that, his playoff series avg are .258, .133, and .071. The Sox broke him, and he hasn't bounced back.

[Mr Crunchy]

and now torre is so in love with him he hits him 8th when it matters most

 

i hope cash signs him till 2020

[SuperManny]

Contrary to popular belief' date=' it doesnt take much to win over yankee fans. [/quote']

 

The man won the MVP in 2005 and the fans still hate him. I can't recall a reigning MVP ever being that disliked by their own fans in other cities.

 

If he opts out, he will be forver known as the guy who couldnt handle the pressure in NY.

 

Unless he signs with Boston and wins a WS :thumbsup:

[jacksonianmarch]

The man won the MVP in 2005 and the fans still hate him. I can't recall a reigning MVP ever being that disliked by their own fans in other cities.

 

 

 

Unless he signs with Boston and wins a WS :thumbsup:

 

good point.

[He Hate Me]

The man won the MVP in 2005 and the fans still hate him. I can't recall a reigning MVP ever being that disliked by their own fans in other cities.

 

I thought that Boston had somewhat of a rep for that with Ted Williams and Jim Rice. Am I wrong?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

The man won the MVP in 2005 and the fans still hate him. I can't recall a reigning MVP ever being that disliked by their own fans in other cities.

 

 

 

Unless he signs with Boston and wins a WS :thumbsup:

The problem is he followed up that 2005 regular season by going 2/15 against the Angels. That left a bad taste in many Yankee fans and he certainly didnt help his case this past year. All it takes is one great post season and the fans will love him. Thats just how it is in NY.

[jacksonianmarch]

Success in NY is measured by world series rings. This is why Dave Winfield went into the hall as a Padre and not a Yankee. You may be saying, well he didnt win one in SD either, but you can say that the entire Mr. May fiasco of the 80s is predicated on a fantastic player flat out sucking when it counted. I was asked a question by one of my friends today. What would you take for 2007.

 

Arod hitting .360 60HR 160RBI and a .250BA in the postseason if they got there

 

or

 

Arod hitting .260 25HR 80RBI and a .350BA for the postseason if they got there

 

I think most fans of any team would be ecstatic to go to the playoffs and have a guy that good on their team. Almost any team would take A. But yankee fans have seen him at his best and then flop. If he has a yr like yr B, he'd be vindicated.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Success in NY is measured by world series rings. This is why Dave Winfield went into the hall as a Padre and not a Yankee. You may be saying, well he didnt win one in SD either, but you can say that the entire Mr. May fiasco of the 80s is predicated on a fantastic player flat out sucking when it counted. I was asked a question by one of my friends today. What would you take for 2007.

 

Arod hitting .360 60HR 160RBI and a .250BA in the postseason if they got there

 

or

 

Arod hitting .260 25HR 80RBI and a .350BA for the postseason if they got there

 

I think most fans of any team would be ecstatic to go to the playoffs and have a guy that good on their team. Almost any team would take A. But yankee fans have seen him at his best and then flop. If he has a yr like yr B, he'd be vindicated.

 

What if he doesnt drive in a run and those hits are all 1st inning hits?

 

Just messin' bro, it's OBVIOUS that Yankee fans would take Year B. You guys would be crazy not to, IMO.

[Mr Crunchy]

The problem is he followed up that 2005 regular season by going 2/15 against the Angels. That left a bad taste in many Yankee fans and he certainly didnt help his case this past year. All it takes is one great post season and the fans will love him. Thats just how it is in NY.

 

he ended the 05 season by tapping into a double play

the year before was the infamous slap with arroyo

last year,with torres job on the line he had arod hitting 8th to send him a message

the message failed

 

i personally enjoy watching arods failures almost as much as i enjoy the sox

i hope ny locks him up till hes 55

i cant think of a better gift

[SuperManny]

I thought that Boston had somewhat of a rep for that with Ted Williams and Jim Rice. Am I wrong?

 

True but I don't know how they were received as reigning MVP winners. You could be right though. Still AROD seems to take a lot of heat in NY even though he puts up monster numbers. Yes they are during the regular season but you still need to win those games to get to the postseason.

[diggahb2001]

last year,with torres job on the line he had arod hitting 8th to send him a message

the message failed

 

The message was sent at the wrong time. How do you put one of the best hitters in the history of baseball in the 8-hole when your down 2-1 in a 5-game series? The message didnt fail. Hell, it may have been recieved just fine. But it was clearly sent at the wrong time. If it was done mid-season, thats the right time, not in a win or go home playoff game.

[example1]

The message was sent at the wrong time. How do you put one of the best hitters in the history of baseball in the 8-hole when your down 2-1 in a 5-game series? The message didnt fail. Hell' date=' it may have been recieved just fine. But it was clearly sent at the wrong time. If it was done mid-season, thats the right time, not in a win or go home playoff game.[/quote']

 

I could see arguing that he deserves to be hitting 6th, but when your team is able to take a guy like A-Rod out of the lineup and have a 1-5 of Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Sheffield, Matsui it makes sense to move him down in the order. It might have been about sending a message (in this case a long-term message), but it might have been about winning and giving more at bats to those who don't suck at the moment.