Tampering charges possible against Red Sox

[a700hitter]

that is a big crock of s***. EVERYONE was surpised when Sheff was signed to 14mil. The red sox were not counting on that and the only team who could have predicted that was detroit. That was the first domino. Once Mathews signed' date=' it was official. There is not a soul in the world who would have thought the market would go this crazy and at the time, Drew's original deal was considered exorbitant. Boras is a VERY smart ******* and he is very money conscious. He doesnt care if he signs his client to the Bangladesh Cannibals for god sakes so long as the money is sound. There is no way he would leave a deal that many considered ludicrous to begin with unless he was essentially guaranteed a bigger payday. He does not gamble, he does not have to. Every move is calculated, every decision meticulously researched. A month ago, NOBODY thought Drew would opt out because NOBODY thought he would get a sweeter deal than 11 mil per. Boras is either a psychic (which he obviously is not) or someone tipped him off. Personally, I dont care. This happens all the time, but this time there is a few smoking guns left behind. First of all, Drew said he was happy in LA. Second, he said he would not opt out. Then, miraculously, after Cora was resigned, Drew has a change of heart. Something went amiss.[/quote']Crock of s***? Ask yourself this. Are the Red Sox so enamored with Drew that they were willing to essentially make the market by offering Drew an exorbitant contract before the FA market began? A lot of people thought that Soriano would go for about $75 million before the FA season started. Ditto for Zito. Boras knew he would do no worse than what remained on his contract, so why not roll the dice.

[TedWilliams101]

Are you telling me that the owner of the Lions can't ever give John Henry a personal check?

[Gom]

Why does everyone hate Boras? He is doing his job better than any other agent. He maximizes his client's money. When did that become a bad thing?

 

It's not like the owners aren't richer than the players anyways. He's just doing his job folks. You have to respect and admire him for it.

[Bud]

these tampering charges don't hold any water. they're just wasting their time

[example1]

Why does everyone hate Boras? He is doing his job better than any other agent. He maximizes his client's money. When did that become a bad thing?

 

It's not like the owners aren't richer than the players anyways. He's just doing his job folks. You have to respect and admire him for it.

 

Boras is just doing his job. His job is to be a money grubbing scumbag who lies and weasles to get the best for himself. He's the best at his craft and his craft demands selfishness and being sly. I don't like that, personally. I guess I just dislike the agents who would rather have their player sit out than make a measley 11 million dollars. He's the super-agent, I don't like agents much, therefore I don't like Boras.

 

I think he works well with the red sox. I don't mind that, as they have benefeted from being able to pay his players to play in boston. That's been a nice perk in the "Boras Relationship" category, but I still don't like him for what he does.

[Gom]

You may not like him, but if you were a player, you would love him. He does his job extremely well. It's all about the money for him, and you to respect that. It's not like he comes out saying anything else. One thing he isn't, is a hypocrite.

[example1]

You may not like him' date=' but if you were a player, you would love him. He does his job extremely well. It's all about the money for him, and you to respect that. It's not like he comes out saying anything else. One thing he isn't, is a hypocrite.[/quote']

 

I guess if not being a hypocrite and being able to ring every last penny out of ownership for the benefit of players are the only two virtues then Boras is a great guy. You're not going to convince me that I need to have a great admiration for Boras though. there are a lot of people who do their tasks well, that fact is value neutral.

[SuperManny]

that is a big crock of s***. EVERYONE was surpised Something went amiss.

 

Honestly, some of the things you say are completely ridiculous. LA lost one of its better players because his agent (who happens to be the best in the business) realized that the market was going to be good. There was no need for tampering because everyone involved in the game knew that the market was going to be crazy since there was more money than ever and it being an average FA class.

 

He doesn't have to be psychic to realize that the market is going to be good considering that everyone knew that baseball was making more money than ever. It was released to the public near the end of the season but while games were still going on that baseball was brining in over $5 billion in revenue even though they only estimated somewhere in the $4 billion area.

 

Here is a link to a Gammon's article on October 22:

 

Twelve years ago, when a strike cancelled the World Series, baseball was a $1.3 billion business, give or take a few million. I was told that this season baseball did $4.7 billion in revenue, but was then corrected Saturday night by one MLB official, who said, "We're going over $5 billion."

 

Drew opted out of his contract sometime in early November. I think if Gammons knew and was publishing to the public that MLB was making more money than ever that the best agent in the game was aware of the fact that MLB had more money to spend on FA's this year. Why do you think that Boras put the opt out clause in Drew's contract in the first place? Its not a normal clause that players have and he put it in there in case the market got crazy like it did. He predicted the market would increase in the offseason that MLB signed a new labor deal where the luxury tax limit was sure to continue to increase. There is no conspiracy theory here, Boras is good at what he does.

 

Oh and when Drew opted out of his contract there were already the rumors of Aramis Ramirez's deal with the Cubs for 5 years/$73M. Thats what set the market.

[Gom]

I guess if not being a hypocrite and being able to ring every last penny out of ownership for the benefit of players are the only two virtues then Boras is a great guy. You're not going to convince me that I need to have a great admiration for Boras though. there are a lot of people who do their tasks well' date=' that fact is value neutral.[/quote']

 

I didn't mean admiring him personally. However, you can't help but admire his body of work. He does what no other agent does, gets money no other agent can. Let's not forget...he represents millionaires who work for billionaires. It's not like the other side doesn't have money.

[SuperManny]

I didn't mean admiring him personally. However' date=' you can't help but admire his body of work. He does what no other agent does, gets money no other agent can. Let's not forget...he represents millionaires who work for billionaires. It's not like the other side doesn't have money.[/quote']

 

This is why I don't get why everyone hates on Boras. Yes, he is completely money driven which is probably why he is so good at what he does. MLB is a business and he represents his clients to the best of his ability. His clients want top money and they get it most times. He is a capitalist at its purest form and yet people get mad at the fact that he is good at what he does. People get mad that the deals he signs for his clients aren't fair for their favorite team but his responsibility isn't to the team but to the player. Boras doesn't work for the teams, he works for the best interest for his client. Which in most cases is the most money. Some players don't care which city they happen to play in because they aren't from those cities and don't have any loyalties to them like fans do.

[Gom]

Thank you. See, even Sox and Yankee fans can agree sometimes.

[example1]

I didn't mean admiring him personally. However' date=' you can't help but admire his body of work. He does what no other agent does, gets money no other agent can. Let's not forget...he represents millionaires who work for billionaires. It's not like the other side doesn't have money.[/quote']

 

I guess its because I don't have the money and these guys, fueled by guys like Boras, squabble over 1 or 2 million in a very public way. These guys get paid to play baseball for crying out loud. You clearly side with the players; as the product they are obviously very importaht. However, the players are, for better or for worse, only pieces of the organization. I like the Red Sox. While players play for the Sox I root for them, when they leave I like them less based on what team they go to.

 

The days of player franchise loyalty are over so its hard to be loyal to each and every player. :dunno:

 

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[riverside sluggers]

No I thought it was interesting how Boras said Drew was the only available CF.

 

Drew isn't even a CF. And after he said that, Pierre and Dave Roberts were signed.

 

Youre a Dodger fan and you didnt know that JD Drew can also play center field?

[Linda]

At what point does a team having extreme interest in a player in previous seasons become "tampering" in another season? If Boras knew that the Sox coveted Drew in previous seasons' date=' and he knew that they needed a RF, then it seems only logical to say "JD, I can get the Red Sox to pay more than 11m a season for your services" without any conversation between the Sox and Boras having taken place in the few weeks before JD left the Dodgers. The Sox had discussed Drew with Boras very recently (2 seasons ago, I believe). It certainly doesn't seem weird to me that Boras could assume they would want him. The guy is an OBP machine, [b']he's a good fielder[/b]. Except for the injuries ANYBODY could have told you that this guy is the perfect Red Sox hitter. It doesn't take a conspiracy.

 

All the Sox had to say to Boras sometime in, say, August was "we're going to improve our team this offseason" and that's all Boras would need to know that JD would get the current going rate for a middle of the order OF.

 

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[Linda]

Youre a Dodger fan and you didnt know that JD Drew can also play center field?

 

No I know he CAN play centerfield. But I also know that LA would NOT play him in centerfield because they feared that his knees couldn't handle it.

 

You don't think they would have put him in CF if they could have and then gone after a big hitting RF, instead of settling for Lofton and Repko in CF?

 

You're like Fred. You think you are so much smarter than Dodger fans. Jeez, give me the benefit of the doubt.

[Linda]

If no one could predict the market' date=' why would the Red Sox have been able to predict the market. The Red Sox did not creat the market. The market was created by the signing of Soriano and Sheffield, etc. Drew signed late in the process. Why would the Red Sox offer a huge contract to Drew on the Q-T before the market was established? It makes no sense at all, that the Red Sox would have known more than everyone else about the market.[/quote']

 

FYI, I posted the EXACT price that Drew signed for over a week ago on another board.

 

This agreement was in the works for a while.

[Linda]

these tampering charges don't hold any water. they're just wasting their time

 

I'm sure you're the expert on this. do youhappen to work in the FO of either team? Were you at the Winter Meetings? Did you wiretap Boras' phone?

 

Then STFU and wait to see what unfolds.

[riverside sluggers]

FYI, I posted the EXACT price that Drew signed for over a week ago on another board.

 

This agreement was in the works for a while.

 

Well everyone knew on here it would be around 5 years/$70-75 million and that estimate was being reported in Boston since Thanksgiving wknd. An official announcement was held up from the Sox focusing on Manny trade talks. a700 wa getting to the point that the Sox did not set the market which is true... Soriano- 8 years/$136 million, Carlos Lee- 6 years/$100 million, Gary Matthews Jr- 5 years/$50 million, Juan Pierre- 4 years/$44 million

[BSN07]

This might be the dumbest thread yet. As soon as the WS was over there was talk of how outrageous the market could get with the new Labor Agreement in place for the next 5 seasons. People where saying that this would be an off season that would be up there with the 2001 contracts.

 

And I'm so shocked that it would be a NY newspaper reporting this.

[BSN07]

I agree with GOM, I've stated before he's a prick, but if I was a player I wouldn't mind him as an agent.

[ORS]

And I'm so shocked that it would be a NY newspaper reporting this.

It's not only that. It's Murray Chass. Skim through an archive of his work. This guy takes more shots at the Sox than Jacko and Gom combined.

 

This is sour grapes by Colleti, IMO. It would be one thing if the market was showing some restraint this year, but it hasn't been, and around the time Drew needed to make a decision about his contract clause, there were some hefty figures buzzing around the rumor mill. Combine the way the market was looking and the fact that he fit a position of need for many big market clubs, and it should come as no surprise that he exercised the out clause. Colleti is pissed that he lost his guy at what is becoming a reasonable rate in this market. He needs to direct that anger at the guy who signed him to that contract, DePodesta, because it's not an issue without the out clause.

[jacksonianmarch]

Are you telling me that the owner of the Lions can't ever give John Henry a personal check?

 

No, he cannot. But on another board a reliable member was saying that there is nothing against Seibu sending Matsuzaka a parting "gift" of millions of dollars. I think that is what MLB will monitor because they dont want that to happen.

[He Hate Me]

I really don't think its a big deal if some money is thrown around between Matsuzaka' date=' the Lions, and the Red Sox. If they sign Matsuzaka, then the lions pay Matsuzaka some money just out of the kindness of their heart, then give the red sox some money for some business moves, I'd be just fine.[/quote']

 

Not trying to disrespect your opinion, but it's just simply not a good idea. What's to stop the Yankees from bidding $100 million on the next great Japanese import and then whittle that price down from the Japanese club according to your logic? The whole bidding process is extremely disadvantageous for small market clubs and quite frnakly, I can't understand why Bud hasn't changed this process considering his push for parity.

[He Hate Me]

This is just sour grapes BTW. LA has no case whatsoever.

[BSN07]

Bostonherald.com has an article where Drew says the reason he backed out of his contract with LA, is because he wanted a contract that would let him play for one team the rest of his career. Take it for what its worth, He also mentioned since his family lives in GA he wanted to play on the east coast. Out of all the teams that where bidding on him this offseason besides Baltimore( and you only sign there when you don't have and usable baseball skills left, and your just a name) Boston was the closest choice, and i'm sure since they are the best team and had the most to offer i'm sure it that helped too.

 

Murray chass is a tool, and only brainstormed this up after smoking crack and getting smacked around by his man whore. NYY haven't done anything all off season except trade sheff and big on Igawa, the ass had nothing better to write because he's used to reporting on NYY big signings. Now there isn't any, and he's a s***** writer, he had to come up with something.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I can't wait until Drew plays 83 games this year, and the Dodgers are sending fruit baskets and a membership to the jelly-of-the-month club to the Sox front office for making it our blunder and not theirs.

[He Hate Me]

Are you telling me that the owner of the Lions can't ever give John Henry a personal check?

 

What you are suggesting is for the Red Sox to circumvent and break the rules, thereby putting Mr. Henry, the red Sox front office, and the Matzusaka deal at risk. It is not worth it. There's nothing wrong with playing by the rules.

[BSN07]

And as far as you go LINDA. I wouldn't be telling someone whos been posting for awhile here to STFU.

 

Why don't you KYFR( Know Your f***ing Role) and pipe down until you EARN some respect around here. Coming in and popping off at the mouth won't get you anywhere fast here.

[ORS]

Not trying to disrespect your opinion' date=' but it's just simply not a good idea. What's to stop the Yankees from bidding $100 million on the next great Japanese import and then whittle that price down from the Japanese club according to your logic? The whole bidding process is extremely disadvantageous for small market clubs and quite frnakly, I can't understand why Bud hasn't changed this process considering his push for parity.[/quote']

I agree. They need to dump IFA/posting and just create an international draft.

[He Hate Me]

I agree. They need to dump IFA/posting and just create an international draft.

 

I like the NBA draft model. Of course they have much less personnel to worry about so baseball definetely woudl have to separate the domestic and international draft, otherwise we'd run into the danger of our GMs dying from sheer exhaustion.